Unfair suspension

pokemanzters·Dec 28, 2017·4 votes·1,324 views

OK I was playing a game and I'll be the second to admit (the first being riots lightning quick ban bot) that I was a bit toxic. This nid started flaming me and I flamed her right back I didn't say anything that bad other than that she fed and I asked once if nid was going to kys. I was then promptly a 2 week suspension with only 1 previous chat ban when many others I have talked to have been give 3, 4, or even 5 chat suspension before an account suspension. All riot members I talked to said it was because I said kys but most people in the link above say that shouldn't be a reason for a suspension and this happens all the time and nobody's usually given any punishment especially suspensions. All the riot members refuse to give me reason so please help make this story known and help me change riots punishment and support system (which seems to have no boundaries.) [vlad-salute] Thank you for taking the time to read this and consider it <3

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ModThe DjinnDec 28, 20177 votes

{quoted}All riot members I talked to said it was because I said kys but most people in the link above say that shouldn't be a reason for a suspension and this happens all the time and nobody's usually given any punishment especially suspensions.

I looked at the link you posted. It has one or two players insisting it shouldn't be punished (the same names keep reoccurring), and nothing else. A quick look at these boards indicates this is a minority opinion, and also not one shared by Riot. I can say with some confidence that telling another player to kill themselves is NOT something Riot will change their policy on, as the severity of that phrase is actually determined mostly by the community's own reports -- the system learns and identifies behavior based on how often it is/isn't reported, and KYS is reliably considered extremely toxic, and very reliably reported. Two years ago it wasn't an immediate 14-day ban. Now, due to the increased community reaction to the phrase, the community has indicated that they want it punished more aggressively.

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

so A you agree that everyone who says it should be given a suspension B If so why isn't everyone because I see others say it every game and never get punished

ModThe DjinnDec 28, 20173 votes

{quoted}A: you agree that everyone who says it should be given a suspension

I do, yes. There is no acceptable reason to tell another player to kill themselves. It serves no purpose, is incredibly insulting, is potentially triggering, and is exceedingly unsportsmanlike in the worst of ways.

B: If so why isn't everyone because I see others say it every game and never get punished.

That's statistically unlikely -- usually the actual rate is far lower, but I'll ignore that for this point.

The actual answer to B is that you're not always informed when another player is punished, nor is the system 100% accurate at all times. It does reliably punish that behavior when it identifies it, and it always applies a 14-day ban on the first identified offense. There is not some special exception for people other than the occasional system oversight.

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

I have seen my friends do it 100's of times and they have never received any punishments and several people have reported them

ModThe DjinnDec 28, 20175 votes

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I have seen my friends do it 100's of times and they have never received any punishments and several people have reported them

Then they are extremely fortunate. That's exceedingly uncommon, although not theoretically impossible given the sheer size of League's playerbase. I promise you the system is not biased against you in particular.

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

So you believe riot should be able just pick through the bunch and just hand pick whoever they want and just suspend them? And if so why didn't they censor the word? ANY child could see it and just reapeat it without any clue to what it means and be none the wiser and then just instasuspension

EL HAMSTERODec 28, 20171 votes

if no one is reported in the game then they will get away with it. if someone is reported then they wont.

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

But again any child could pick it up and not know what it means and get instantly suspended and if its that bad why isn't it censored

ModiDec 29, 20171 votes

Censoring is really just an arms race. No matter how much Riot tried to censor, players will find creative ways to best the censor, just as it is today. That aside, censoring, and muting for that matter, do not make it ok for you to say things like that to anyone.

ModThe DjinnDec 28, 20175 votes

{quoted}So you believe riot should be able just pick through the bunch and just hand pick whoever they want and just suspend them?

That's...not at all how it works. There's no hand-picking involved. The system is automated on things it recognizes, and, yes, occasionally it isn't perfect. One anecdotal case, while unfortunate, isn't really evidence of a hand-picked punishment conspiracy, which would, frankly, serve absolutely no purpose.

And if so why didn't they censor the word? ANY child could see it and just reapeat it without any clue to what it means and be none the wiser and then just instasuspension

Censors are easily bypassed, and toxic behavior doesn't only use censored terms. If you censor KYS, KY5 becomes common. Then K¥S, then K¥5, etc. People are creative. Plus there are numerous other ways to wish death on someone that wouldn't be hit by the censors, so it serves no real purpose to have one on a specific phrase.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20171 votes

I looked at the link you posted. It has one or two players insisting it shouldn't be punished (the same names keep reoccurring), and nothing else.

tbh i think he has selective reading

[sg-lulu]

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

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tbh i think he has selective reading

[sg-lulu]

It at least shouldn't be an insta suspension

KarunamonDec 28, 20174 votes

Can you post your chat log?

Some preliminary information though:

I was then promptly a 2 week suspension with only 1 previous chat ban when many others I have talked to have been give 3, 4, or even 5 chat suspension before an account suspension.

You don't generally skip to 2 week suspensions unless your case was manually reviewed (exceedingly rare), or you used hate speech or suicide encouragement (including "kys") in your chat. Those will automatically escalate you to a 2 week ban every time, without fail.

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

Game 1 pokemanzters: who the fuck fed karma pokemanzters: I never did pokemanzters: I told u to go away over and over pokemanzters: no one touches me anymore pokemanzters: nidalee u have a heal u might want to kys with it :) pokemanzters: 1 v 1 me karma pokemanzters: WTF pokemanzters: I HIT U pokemanzters: WHY DID MY TEAM FEED ALL THE OTHER LANES SO HARD pokemanzters: gj tho zil pokemanzters: I DONT THINK I COULT INT THIS HARD IF I TRIED pokemanzters: I was 2 and 1 until I started fighting other lanes pokemanzters: like the 9 and 2 karma coming out of a 7 and 1 laning phase pokemanzters: 4 and 7 pokemanzters: salty? pokemanzters: it would have helped if I could snowball by being able to kill anyone pokemanzters: kys nid? pokemanzters: yea its kinda hard to get kills when this 50 and 3 karma litterally 2 shots me pokemanzters: who fed u karma pokemanzters: who laned against you pokemanzters: I was 2 and 1 before I tried to help against this karma that practically full build pokemanzters: oh thx amumu pokemanzters: itd be nice if i had a team pokemanzters: u have pure cc pokemanzters: i have pure damage pokemanzters: together we form something not completely shit pokemanzters: if this amumu would realize he had abilities he might actually help the team pokemanzters: u have more than a mouse bud pokemanzters: u hit q pokemanzters: u hit r pokemanzters: u hit q again pokemanzters: u hit e pokemanzters: u hit q again pokemanzters: see a pattern pokemanzters: see pokemanzters: so much better than right clicks pokemanzters: ur welcom pokemanzters: ask if u need help bud pokemanzters: wurf pokemanzters: this nid was talking shit with a worse kda than me pokemanzters: lol pokemanzters: why did u heal nid pokemanzters: that was ur worst option pokemanzters: nice twitch pokemanzters: i have to deal with you bithc pokemanzters: thank god i had a team to back me up pokemanzters: i only gave them litterally 2 minutes warning pokemanzters: amumu pokemanzters: dont run pokemanzters: go ing pokemanzters: thats amumus version of running pokemanzters: except dont hit minions pokemanzters: wow I almost won that 2 v 1 pokemanzters: ok mf was at like 500 and u 1000 thats like 2 autos pokemanzters: this nid is retarded pokemanzters: gg report nid

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

Keep in mind most of us were having fun except the nid who kept flaming me for all the off handed comments

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20174 votes

if that chatlog is your ideea of "having fun" then im glad we've never met

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

We were having playful banter (other than nid) and throwing this kind of stuff back and forth. This chat however rito refuses to give me

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20173 votes

i'm sorry to break it to you but there's a difference between "playful banter" and THAT^.

hopefully you'll get it some day

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

Again could you see what others say would help but rito refuses to help me

OnlyYouCanHearMeDec 29, 20171 votes

I read through the link that you posted, but I don't think that it's really helping your case. The chat logs that were posted in that thread were from people who used utterly excessive amounts of homophobic slurs (hate speech) in addition to instructions to self-harm. They aren't Riot employees, and they aren't what is generally considered an honorable voice on the Boards. They are someone who disagrees with the punishment because they had to face it. To give an extreme example, that would be like consulting a serial killer when you are trying to make a case for legalizing murder. It's not going to give much credibility to your cause.

Unfortunately, there isn't anything that can be done for this suspension. It's not an unfair one. You told a teammate to kill themselves not once, but twice, and then used hate speech against her by calling her retarded. These things are simply not allowed in League of Legends, and if someone is reported for them, they can easily result in a first offense 14 day suspension.

Every time I read one of these threads where I see someone say that they see kys used hundreds of times, I have to wonder what kinds of people you play with. I've been playing since the beginning of Season 3, and over the thousands of matches I've played I've seen it maybe 3 times. I play normals, ranked, special game modes, I've played 3v3 ranked, 5v5 ranked, solo queue, bot matches, ARAM, etc. I've played them all, and I've played every role. I even started maining support back in the "abusive adc meta." I've literally never once had it directed at me, and can only think of 2-3 occasions over all the years that I've ever seen it directed at someone in my match.

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

Again could you see what others say would help but rito refuses to help me Also are you agreeing just saying kys once justifies an instant 2 week suspension

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20172 votes

Also are you agreeing just saying kys once justifies an instant 2 week suspension

yes.

you didn't read the ToS yet, did you?

LeshraceusDec 28, 20171 votes

ha cream reaper again! seems like you are propably made of cream [sg-miss-fortune]

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

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ha cream reaper again! seems like you are propably made of cream [sg-miss-fortune]

? what

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20171 votes

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KarunamonDec 28, 20172 votes

pokemanzters: kys nid?

That'll be what did it. Using "kys" is an instant 2 week ban, every time. Telling other people to kill themselves over a video game is taken seriously and is not acceptable, not even in jest.

That aside, this chat log.. It's pretty bad. It's not even sorta sportsmanlike. It's rude, it's crude, and nothing that nidalee did would make it acceptable. Running it down mid, calling you names, whatever.

Here's where you stand - please take this to heart:

Once your 14 day ban is over, your next punishment for any reason, no matter how minor will result in loss of your account. That means you need to put a lid on the banter, the shit talking, everything. If it's not nice, keep it out of the chat. If you get really emotional during games, I suggest installing something like this to disable your own ability to chat.
You'll be in this "thin ice" condition for quite some time - you'll know you're clear of it once you get back to honor level 1. It takes games played, not just time. If you leave this account and go make a new one, and come back to this one, you'll still be in the same shape.
Mute and report. Internalize those words - you let the nidalee put you on tilt. Next time, just type /mute @nidalee and then you won't have to hear from them again. Not only does this ensure you're more likely to stay out of trouble, it'll ensure you don't get tilted, and are therefore more likely to win.
If you do lose your account, there is no going back. Everything you've ever bought, your match history, your rank, all of it goes away.

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/tvLNO048-2-week-suspension-with-no-chat-restrictions AGAIN READ THE LINK kys Is thrown around in most games. Idk if I have seen a game where it wasn't Its a common phrase with many interpretations the worst of which not being a death threat like the code of conduct states it must be. It was simply a question

KarunamonDec 28, 20173 votes

I read it, but it doesn't change the facts here dude. You don't get to say kys, not even descriptively. There have been cases where people used it descriptively and got their bans overturned (like in ARAM where killing yourself in game is a valid tactic to go back to fountain and buy), but those are rare.

And what makes them rare is they're generally not surrounded by toxic chat.

You can go put in a ticket with player support, but they're going to tell you the same thing.

Please take my advice. The only thing that's going to happen if you keep making excuses and do this again is that you'll get permanently banned.

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

So you agree with rito that everyone who says kys should be given a 2 week suspension

KarunamonDec 29, 20171 votes

Absolutely.

Butt ΡlugDec 28, 20171 votes

"kys" isn't thrown around in most games. If someone say it but nobody report that person the system won't punish them. But as soon as someone report that person he'll get a punishment.

You called someone a %%%got twice, which is considered hate speech and also severely punished, your suspension is deserved.

Telephone BoothDec 29, 20171 votes

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https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/tvLNO048-2-week-suspension-with-no-chat-restrictions AGAIN READ THE LINK kys Is thrown around in most games. Idk if I have seen a game where it wasn't Its a common phrase with many interpretations the worst of which not being a death threat like the code of conduct states it must be. It was simply a question

Lmao. You're speaking from your ass. It's all fucking conjecture. Just stop. And you seem to think that if you get enough people to say that they see KYS being said, that means it's okay. These people you keep referring to, do not make the rules, man. What is your deal with this? Riot made the rules, you disagree with them. That doesn't mean anything! We don't make the rules!

Timethief49Dec 28, 20174 votes

The ban system is 10game chatrestriction 25 game chat restriction 14 day ban perma ban. Punishments can be skipped in cases of 0 tolerance things like racism hatepseech and telling others to harm themselfs/end their life. This is your case. 0 tolerance line = 14 day ban. Also what do you mean riot members refse to give you a reason? you said you talked to them and they said its cause of kys. You contradict yourself.

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

Read the link. Most players in that link have agreed it isn't fair to use kys seeing it is thrown around in almost every game you go in

Timethief49Dec 28, 20177 votes

Cool. If you ask prisoners if prison is fair most will tell you it isnt. Its riots rules. Play by them or you wont play for long.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20173 votes

or you wont play for long.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/3392c0fe4b56237cd960990e9817b8d7/tumblr_n32cxnoIFW1s70a3vo1_400.gif

(see title. it's already started)

Timethief49Dec 28, 20171 votes

Psst thats the joke [slayer-jinx-wink]

pokemanztersDec 28, 20171 votes

So everyone who says kys should be given suspensions and bans?

Timethief49Dec 28, 20171 votes

According to Riot majority of the community doesnt accept telling others to harm or kill themself. So yeah. You can say it, just dont write it.

ChermorgDec 29, 20173 votes

Yes. Someone suggesting someone else kill themselves - no matter what language they use - should know better. The suspension is because it is Riot's belief and opinion that it shouldn't need a soft warning to tell people that it is inappropriate to tell someone else to take their own life.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20173 votes

All riot members I talked to said it was because I said kys but most people in the link above say that shouldn't be a reason for a suspension and this happens all the time and nobody's usually given any punishment especially suspensions.

and you obviously believe the other flamers and not the riot members who know what they are talking about

seems legit

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

All riot members I talked to said it was because I said kys

All the riot members refuse to give me reason

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/540/811/e45.png

(which seems to have no boundaries.)

[insert obvious reply here]

LeshraceusDec 28, 20171 votes

So here are my chat logs. That got me a 14-day suspension after one game without any previous chat res etc...(honor 5, keen on giving tips to tms and so on) GJ Rito.

Leshraceus: malz Leshraceus: so heimer me r swain to that lane Leshraceus: tryhard %%%gots Leshraceus: braindead %%%got Leshraceus: lane swap Leshraceus: let irelia farm her items Leshraceus: and swain roam ye Leshraceus: fuck you7 Leshraceus: just die Leshraceus: :D Leshraceus: now ye Leshraceus: i admit that was funny Leshraceus: gg

So you are not alone, i think its a phenomena of the last 10 days. Havent been to player behavior boards before though so cant compare with the past state, but as i visit here basically every day . I think something is propably going on. Maybe some SJW is now working in Rito O.o :DD [zombie-brand-clap]

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20172 votes

Leshraceus: tryhard %%%gots Leshraceus: braindead %%%got

Leshraceus: fuck you7 Leshraceus: just die

https://i.imgflip.com/lkhho.jpg

ModThe DjinnDec 28, 20175 votes

{quoted}Leshraceus: tryhard %%%gots Leshraceus: braindead %%%got

So you are not alone, i think its a phenomena of the last 10 days.

Hate speech has earned an immediate 14-day ban for as long as I can remember.

LeshraceusDec 28, 20171 votes

Kay, thx for the info.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Telephone BoothDec 29, 20171 votes

{quoted}

So here are my chat logs. That got me a 14-day suspension after one game without any previous chat res etc...(honor 5, keen on giving tips to tms and so on) GJ Rito.

Leshraceus: malz Leshraceus: so heimer me r swain to that lane Leshraceus: tryhard %%%gots Leshraceus: braindead %%%got Leshraceus: lane swap Leshraceus: let irelia farm her items Leshraceus: and swain roam ye Leshraceus: fuck you7 Leshraceus: just die Leshraceus: :D Leshraceus: now ye Leshraceus: i admit that was funny Leshraceus: gg

So you are not alone, i think its a phenomena of the last 10 days. Havent been to player behavior boards before though so cant compare with the past state, but as i visit here basically every day . I think something is propably going on. Maybe some SJW is now working in Rito O.o :DD [zombie-brand-clap]

Ummm... yeah, duh. Were you unaware that professional companies don't condone the word f6t? Have you been sleeping the past 10 years? I grew up saying that word all the time. I still use it with my friends. But OBVIOUSLY Riot isn't gonna allow it. Ignorance is dangerous. Knowledge is power. Read the rules and protect your account.

P.s. SJWs are everywhere! PC culture started in the 90s. Where have you been man?

LeshraceusDec 29, 20171 votes

In real life?

Telephone BoothDec 29, 20172 votes

{quoted}

In real life?

Yes! It's terrible in real life! I could care less about Riots policies. What worries me are the real life SJWs passing legislation based on people being "offended". Yes in real life!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck league. You have to abide by people's personal preference of what pronoun they prefer, or you could go to jail!! Our country is slowly turning into 1984. Google tracks everything and stores it all. They know everything about you. Now the thought police are starting up. Next step is full on surveillance of everything you do! Your physical, your mental, everything you do will be monitored. Yay Facebook! (I threw up a little)

LeshraceusDec 30, 20171 votes

It´s a luck I am not living in US yep.

Telephone BoothJan 3, 20181 votes