Permanent Ban, is it possible I could get my ban reduced?

COWYS·Apr 14, 2018·4 votes·3,882 views

UPDATE: I have been unbanned by riot player support! Thank you all so much who supported me, and big thanks to riot support for talking things over with me! Like I said before I don't justify any of my actions, I only stated that I didn't think I deserved a permanent ban for it. I also talked with riot support about the escalation system and even they agree the first 2 bans (10 and 25 game chat restriction) tend to get over looked by players. And after the 2 week ban do players tend to chose between reform, or continue down toxicity. The support team agree'd my behavior was improving since my last ban and that since I had played a lot of games and earned honor back that they would change it to only a 2 week suspension since I was able to identify the problems in my chat logs and give a proper response to what I should have done. i chatted for about an hour in Live Chat discussing my ban and my previous and current behavior and I just want to say. If you are at a situation like me, take the time to contact support. They want to help players. If you really care about reforming you can get your account unbanned/reduce the ban. I'm not saying all the people who got permanent banned deserve to be unbanned but some people like me who try to reform do deserve another chance. Big thanks to everyone who supported me again.

Proof my ban was reduced: https://i.imgur.com/XkehwXR.png

I have improved my behavior SO much from my 14 day ban. I have played over 100 games without getting reported and started earning my honor back. I use an AHK to disable chat. I did try turning that off a couple days ago to help myself communicate in ranked games better. I wasn't getting toxic at all in my soloq games, but I had this one 3v3 game (my last game played on this account) where I got a little salty over someone that was intentionally trolling me in game. I will now post the chat logs that got me permanent banned. I'll admit I'm fine with being punished since I did say some things which I could have bit my tongue on, but I honestly believe I don't deserve to be permanent banned. My account was on a fine line because it had gotten a 14 day suspension in the past, but my behavior then was completely bad. I was using chat to flame really bad, nothing like what these chat logs are. Also I only got 1 game of report and I got banned. I wish a permanent ban would at least take 2 or 3 games so the system doesn't just auto-ban me right away in a situation like this.

So here are my chat logs:

The game is being played in a 3v3 flex game and I'll explain what happens and why I said what I said.

Game 1 (the only game)

High Performance: why are you trolling High Performance: lux High Performance: its not even that she legit didnt even try to win that fight

-Lux walks into their jungle gives first blood then comes top lane and flashes in on the Caitlyn, luckily I had poked the Caitlyn down a lot so she couldn't fight back, Sion then heads top to fight us and Lux stands still and lets Sion charge his Q up wihle I am fighting him, I end up dying and he lives with 10 HP because she intentionally didn't try to help me.

High Performance: just go bot lux..

-I am playing top Lucian as it is META to play ADC in top lane, she was already agreeing to play bot lane in champ select, but once she died she gave up or something and didn't want to lane against fizz.

High Performance: stop follwing me High Performance: ur making me lose exp High Performance: sigh

-So after realizing she isn't going to listen I decided to go bot, she then follows me and after I tell her she is making me lose EXP, she decided to head back top. At this point there was no way I could fight fizz anymore because of the level difference she was causing with her troll plays.

High Performance: i seriously don't undestand High Performance: shes trolling High Performance: fake lagging High Performance: if i knew lux was a troll i woulda dodged anyways

-At this point lux shows her ping in chat, I think it was like 100 or something and she instantly DCs after that. She probably was lagging, but it doesn't account for the fact that she was legitimately making decisions that are bad for the team (trolling) things that aren't caused by lag, but caused by you intentionally trying to do bad for the team.

High Performance: i was shitting on u High Performance: wtf High Performance: lol

-Enemy Caitlyn starts trash talking me saying I was losing lane, when I never even got to lane this game because Lux was trolling. This did make me kind of salty this was the point where I should have muted the chat. The things I say from this point aren't really toxic, they just are "uncalled for".

High Performance: she was trolling thats why High Performance: oh you're silver 2 no wonder you thnk you're good High Performance: lol

-At first I was just bantering a long with her, because there was no way I thought she was being serious (hence I was saying lol a lot, I thought i was all just jokes.)

High Performance: you can't tell the difference between anything High Performance: well you still aren't good so it doesn't matter lol High Performance: your acc never been past plat 3 High Performance: just checkd High Performance: i checkd all time High Performance: lol you actually suck ur lucky

-Once again just thinking it was banter and we were jokingly trash talking each other, you know like people do in games all the time.

High Performance: ggwp

-Saying ggwp because I thought they could end the game.

High Performance: fragile ego? High Performance: sounds like u High Performance: talking shit cz our lux is troll;ing High Performance: nope i didnt evn type until 10 min High Performance: i didnt even have a lane High Performance: cz lux was trolling wtf r u talking about High Performance: lol

-Caitlyn basically flaming me again, I just replied going along with it just bantering with her. She claims I was crying in All Chat all game but really I didn't type anything until like 10 mins when fizz tower dove me.

High Performance: cann u land a net once on me High Performance: ths game High Performance: pls High Performance: 0% accuracy so far High Performance: 4 tries High Performance: you missed it 3 times before 1v1]
High Performance: even died cz of it

-Calling her out after she misses another net on me. She kept saying she was so good. I was just giving her a reality check. Stuff like this is what I call "uncalled for" but not "toxic". If Riot disagrees I would gladly just not use chat. Honestly having the chat system in the game seems pointless, I feel like I can't say anything anymore without being worried about getting banned.

High Performance: you have 43% win rate in silver... High Performance: i dont need to dig High Performance: no point replying to you anymore

-At this point I realized I might have taken it too far, because Caitlyn was sounding serious and not just banter anymore. So I didn't want to reply to her anymore at this point.

High Performance: not surrendering High Performance: lol High Performance: srsly

-Lux declined the surrender vote while being AFK in base.

High Performance: press yes High Performance: lets msee High Performance: yeah lux ur getting reported High Performance: Lol

-Just telling her I'm reporting her for what she is doing.

High Performance: fucking fizz

-Fizz one shots me with only a Q W no E or R. So I was just like "GOD DAM THAT DMG" without really saying it that way.

High Performance: no point replying to 43% win rate silver High Performance: not replying just stating High Performance: you are silver? High Performance: im not even salty this lux is just trolling so im bored

-Fizz said something along the lines of "why are you replying if you're not going to reply" and I thought he was calling himself silver so I asked him. It wasn't meant negatively at all, was legitimately asking him if he was silver, because he was going really well.

High Performance: \lol High Performance: kk High Performance: w/e High Performance: lol

-At this point I already knew Caitlyn was just flaming me and that replying wouldn't be for banter. So I didn't bother replying anything besides simple messages. Nothing toxic.

High Performance: keep lying to urself to feel better about a free win

-Another "uncalled for" message, but really not "toxic" at all.

Conclusion, do you really think I deserve a permanent ban for this? What do you think my punishment should be? I honestly want to reform, if I'm being toxic in this chat log please tell me what things I should avoid saying and why exactly those things are considered toxic, so I can avoid similar things. I hope I can get my ban reduced because I 100% believe with my heart that I don't deserve a permanent ban and that I have reformed a lot compared to what I was before and that I'm only going to keep reforming.

Also an idea I thought of is, why doesn't Riot implement their detection system to just automatically ********* "toxic" behavior. People like me who watch Korean streams and then play on NA, it's hard to believe how sensitive the system is on NA compared to Korea. I understand they are different servers and I'm getting off topic now. I really just don't want to get banned anymore, so even if I have to go make a new account please help me understand what I am doing wrong.

66 Comments

NraderApr 14, 20183 votes

Definitely not permaban worthy but they won't reduce it, sorry my dude.

When I wrote a ticket about mine they're like "In your case, you are welcome to make a new account, but we will not be unbanning this one for any reason. If there are no other questions or concerns, I will be considering the matter closed."

ChermorgApr 14, 20189 votes

Something doesn't have to be permaban worthy after a 14 day ban. It only needs to be chat restriction worthy, which this certainly is.

NraderApr 14, 20181 votes

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Something doesn't have to be permaban worthy after a 14 day ban. It only needs to be chat restriction worthy, which this certainly is.

Yeah that's what I'm complaining about, it's a dogshit system.

ChermorgApr 14, 20186 votes

How many times should Riot let someone ruin games and only give them a chart restriction?

NraderApr 14, 20182 votes

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How many times should Riot let someone ruin games and only give them a chart restriction?

If words ruin an entire game for you then you're the issue not the flamer.

There's a mute function, use it.

If it's a really big issue just revoke their chat privileges, I know your response to this "then they'll troll through gameplay"

If they start trolling through gameplay, they were most likely a troll/inter/griefer at their core anyway and probably done it discreetly ingames before, that means you've just gotten rid of the real plague, people who intentionally throw games.

ChermorgApr 14, 201811 votes

The mute button is there to ensure I don't have to deal with your toxic behavior.

The report and punishment features are there to ensure others don't have to deal with your toxic behavior.

Blaming the victim for not muting them is victim-shaming and is something that is absolutely abhorrent. The victim of a crime is not at fault for the person who could have 100% prevented the crime from occurring had they not committed it.

NraderApr 14, 20181 votes

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The mute button is there to ensure I don't have to deal with your toxic behavior.

The report and punishment features are there to ensure others don't have to deal with your toxic behavior.

Blaming the victim for not muting them is victim-shaming and is something that is absolutely abhorrent. The victim of a crime is not at fault for the person who could have 100% prevented the crime from occurring had they not committed it.

If it's a really big issue just revoke their chat privileges, I know your response to this "then they'll troll through gameplay"

ChermorgApr 14, 20187 votes

So... you're saying they should revoke their chat privileges, let them ruin more games (and likely many more until they're identified as someone intentionally trolling).

You are complaining this whole time about people ruining games, yet your suggestion is to let toxic players ruin hundreds more games? That doesn't make sense at all.

NraderApr 14, 20181 votes

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So... you're saying they should revoke their chat privileges, let them ruin more games (and likely many more until they're identified as someone intentionally trolling).

You are complaining this whole time about people ruining games, yet your suggestion is to let toxic players ruin hundreds more games? That doesn't make sense at all.

That's why they should probably spend more time working on their troll detection and less time taking care of people who are toxic in chat.

ChermorgApr 14, 20185 votes

So, to prove someone is trolling requires proving intent. You can't just prove they're bad. You can't just prove they threw the game. You must prove intent.

Short of some way to get into the mind of the player somehow (which is and always will be impossible), it is very difficult to prove intent unless they admit it in chat. What's your suggestion on how they prove intent better than they already do right now?

Further, "we can't find this one serial killer so let's not punish anyone for manslaughter right now while we focus on this case". Yeah, it sounds absurd.

COWYSApr 14, 20181 votes

Tell me what I said that means I deserve a chat restriction. Not to mention i played over 5,000 games on this account and in only about few of those games I was toxic and flagged by the system. Even after my 14 day I played 100s of games and was reciving honor levels, after only 1 bad game I got perma'd. Not a single person that plays this game is going to stay perfect forever. I just simply won't believe that.

ChermorgApr 14, 20185 votes

You continually harassed and berated your teammate.

And there are many players still playing from season1 who've never had even a chat restriction.

COWYSApr 14, 20181 votes

I didn't harass my teammates at all. Show me where I did. lol

ChermorgApr 14, 20183 votes

The literal entire chat is you flaming your teammates for your perception of them as trolls.

That's literally the definition of harassment.

bullgodzApr 14, 20181 votes

Why are you still replying? You are toxic too and we have sent your replies to riot on this board. This is the problem with the board. People like you. You think you are so high and mighty, but yet you use that dumb advisor badge to shield yourself from the negative impact your toxic replies and arguments have on people. Funny you talk about harassment but your under the breath back handed funny statement about "but officer I'm innocent" has multiple flags for harassment lol. Also do you guys even know what behavior is? Does riot know?

AeroWaffleApr 14, 20183 votes

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Why are you still replying? You are toxic too and we have sent your replies to riot on this board. This is the problem with the board. People like you. You think you are so high and mighty, but yet you use that dumb advisor badge to shield yourself from the negative impact your toxic replies and arguments have on people. Funny you talk about harassment but your under the breath back handed funny statement about "but officer I'm innocent" has multiple flags for harassment lol. Also do you guys even know what behavior is? Does riot know?

If giving an opinion on the behavior of the OP in their game is considered harassment, how are they suppose to get any feedback on if their behavior was acceptable or now?

Thee Pie ManApr 14, 20182 votes

They are not being toxic, they are literally explaining everything and now you're lashing out because the answer doesn't fit whatever narrative is in your head.

bullgodzApr 14, 20181 votes

It's not about that, it's about how he goes about doing it. Prandine understands this and does it right. Chermorg is toxic in his quips and replies like 3/4ths the people on this board. Isn't that why we are all here? Because toxicity? And should someone with flair, especially advisor badge, be toxic on a board where people are talking about toxicity

COWYSApr 14, 20181 votes

Wrong I didn’t flame anyone I was talking to my other teammate in 3s who was telling me to report lux. Because she was in fact trolling and intentional feeding and asking in base and declingjng surrender while afk in the base. Talking about someone trolling is NOT flaming. It’s like calling someone toxic when they are being toxic that doesn’t make you toxic now does it? Or else the entire ban system itself would be “toxic” since it falls you “toxic” there is a very clear difference between flaming someone. the only “flaming” I did was self defense against the enemy Caitlyn who was legit flaming me for losing lane lol. Lying about her rank because I’m diamond and she is hardstuck silver who got int fed by my lux. I told you to copy paste the exact line you think is toxic and explain exactly what makes it toxic so I can stop saying it and stop saying things similar to it. If you can’t do that than your argument is pointless. If you think the entire chat was toxic you are just completely wrong lol.

NraderApr 14, 20181 votes

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So, to prove someone is trolling requires proving intent. You can't just prove they're bad. You can't just prove they threw the game. You must prove intent.

Short of some way to get into the mind of the player somehow (which is and always will be impossible), it is very difficult to prove intent unless they admit it in chat. What's your suggestion on how they prove intent better than they already do right now?

Further, "we can't find this one serial killer so let's not punish anyone for manslaughter right now while we focus on this case". Yeah, it sounds absurd.

And here comes the issue with this board.

You guys look down on chat toxicity so fucking much it's actually insane.

Chat toxicity shouldn't result in a permanent ingame ban ever and they shouldn't manually review it either. Just revoke chat privileges instead.

ChermorgApr 14, 20183 votes

You're going in circles now.

NraderApr 14, 20181 votes

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You're going in circles now.

Nope I'm not

Riot games should never manually review or permanently ban a player for ingame chat toxicity, this is a waste of time. Revoke their chat privilege instead if they get enough valid reports.

Riot games SHOULD spend the time they save from not dealing with chat toxicity on dealing with inters/griefers.

Your previous points didn't counter any of these.

ChermorgApr 14, 20184 votes

I've asked you multiple times how you think they can improve it, since you're so certain they can improve it.

NraderApr 14, 20181 votes

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I've asked you multiple times how you think they can improve it, since you're so certain they can improve it.

Impossible to say since I don't know how it works currently, but summoner spell choices like ghost/cleanse + an incredibly shit score + Several reports shouldn't require a manual review to determine if it's a troll or not.

https://i.gyazo.com/04c879e52a1615ccceb0f3e34cc34123.png

This guy isn't banned, how the fuck is the system that shit?

bullgodzApr 14, 20181 votes

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I've asked you multiple times how you think they can improve it, since you're so certain they can improve it.

How did Tyler1 Reform? LOL. Cuz I mean he got unbanned...... LOLOL

bullgodzApr 14, 20181 votes

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You're going in circles now.

Funny, we used to say that about Riot.... Oh wait, riot still does that with trying to get their systems to work. So I basically had the same thing happen as this guy... And what sucks the most about it all, the trolls that get under your skin using clean chat so the system wont catch on will keep on making league the game that's hemorrhaging players like it is, while people who try to play ranked without /muteall running so they can communicate with their teammates only to have 4 games in a row in ranked where the entire team starts to flame one another to the point where the only game is trying to get the trolls to surrender and not waste the time i have to play on a game thats been ruined, until a person finally snaps a bit (nothing about harming oneself or racial slurs or homophobic slurs, but the person who has played thousands of games, over an 8+ year time period on the same account without hardly any flags, gets banned for the one game where they just couldn't take it anymore? Never a chat restriction, just instantly 2 week ban then PERMA-BANNNNNNNNN........ how is this okay? how do they actually justify this? they want league to be less toxic, but look at the world..... is being "PC" really doing the world a lot of good? or is everyone just over offended and hurting the actual real, legit humans, while the trolls keep on trolling.....

ChermorgApr 14, 20183 votes

"but officer, they aren't breaking any rules, but they're getting under my skin please arrest them even though they aren't breaking any rules".

The officer will laugh in your face. If you get "tilted" by someone who isn't breaking the rules, that's your own problem. How you respond is also your problem.

Imperial PandaaApr 14, 20185 votes

Replying to this one, since the other string might not notify you.

Tyler1 didn't have any of his accounts unbanned. He was unbanned as a player himself.

bullgodzApr 14, 20181 votes

~~wrong person replied too~~

ModPrandineApr 14, 20182 votes

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And here comes the issue with this board.

You guys look down on chat toxicity so fucking much it's actually insane.

Chat toxicity shouldn't result in a permanent ingame ban ever and they shouldn't manually review it either. Just revoke chat privileges instead.

Except that it didn't succeed in reforming players like they'd hoped. From Riot Tantram:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

If someone isn't gonna interact with others in a mature and respectful manner despite getting multiple chances to do so then why shouldn't they be removed from the community?

We can all agree that Riot can and should do a better job at punishing trolls and inters and the like, but that doesn't mean that people who like to spend their in-game time verbally abusing and harassing others instead of actually playing the game itself should get off scott free. Both gameplay trolls and verbal abusers are problems, but one is easier to detect, prove intent for and punish for than the other is. I know this isn't the answer you want to hear but there's no silver bullet solution unfortunately.

bullgodzApr 14, 20181 votes

Okay so I briefly read your post, which I thank you for taking the time to actually talk instead of a back handed harassment post like Chermong (which has been reported multiple times).

But how can you prove my intention to join a game just to flame people? How can you prove I joined just to be toxic in chat? What about the members of the team chat that gets redacted? Some of that info is proving that there was no intent to be toxic but merely reacting to a stimuli or environment

I read an article that stated Riot has teamed up with blizzard and a few other companies to form the anti toxic justice league or something like that because it has gotten out of hand. But if it has gotten that out of hand, why do they keep doing the same thing in just blindly banning people without context to the situation. They have literally made this problem worse 10 fold and now their blanket system is their shield even though it doesn't work at all the way everyone on this board (which most people on here are on some hypocrisy horse b.s.) and people at riot think it works.

I was in the Army for a bit, and do you know what happens when you ban someone's dad from living, especially if they were "innocent"? (I use quotes because no human is perfect ever. Period. ) They usually end up hating and fighting the system that took their parent away from them.

Is it that hard for riot to realize that their blind bans like my own, just cause people to make new accounts (funny they still let us do that so we keep giving money, but yet they don't want us) and troll even harder but smarter? So many of them dodge the automated system because of keywords, but yet their intent is to still ruin the games and waste the time of people playing. For example 4 games in a row I didn't say anything (I tend not too join in chat because it usually ends with people flaming one person then that person just afk split pushes and won't group up) but yet my teammates still find a way to fight in chat over a missed gank or someone killing minions and with out fail, lose the game because people are mad and refuse to be a team. And the few times you may lose your cool (because you can't afk and take a chill pill since that's reportable also) you are the one ending up in a permanent ban.

Do you remember a guy named Light? And how he accidentally overstepped the banning powers because he thought he was doing good, but really just created a toxic situation himself? Yeah he was a riot employee.

I have played since 2009, never had a chat restriction ever. But now I'm too toxic? Now I get a perma ban for reacting to the environment that riot has created by making an automated system that is easily dodgeable to the exact people you are trying to get out of the community?

*edit: just look at the votes, anything a riot person says, up votes, anything going against, down voted and everyone and their mom has to comment on how bad of a person we are. The we treat some special and others degenerates is real, and the lack of transparency about any of this is real. And I think it's because riot knows it's broken, it doesn't work, and they made it worse. But no way will they admit their faults or make things right

*last edit: to the point of wasting my time, that's time I'll never get back ever. They are doing it for the lulz. They chose to troll and lose the game. I didnt. But Im punished for reacting to someone (over multiple back to back games) wasting the free time I have, and will never get back. While they go about their merry way on to the next game they will ruin.

*srsly last edit: if some random person came and blocked your car in, right when you started backing up, and lolly gagged around, laughed at you and made jokes at your expense even if it was said in a way that isn't blatant, and you reacted by saying I'm going to kick your booty. Then did. Is that pre-meditated, or merely reacting to it? Because your intent was to get in the car and go. I don't think society would label you as "dangerous"

NraderApr 14, 20181 votes

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Except that it didn't succeed in reforming players like they'd hoped. From Riot Tantram:

If someone isn't gonna interact with others in a mature and respectful manner despite getting multiple chances to do so then why shouldn't they be removed from the community?

We can all agree that Riot can and should do a better job at punishing trolls and inters and the like, but that doesn't mean that people who like to spend their in-game time verbally abusing and harassing others instead of actually playing the game itself should get off scott free. Both gameplay trolls and verbal abusers are problems, but one is easier to detect, prove intent for and punish for than the other is. I know this isn't the answer you want to hear but there's no silver bullet solution unfortunately.

This was 4 years ago and that was a chat restriction, not a complete silence which is what I'm suggesting

And for the second part I'll repeat myself again.

If they start trolling through gameplay, they were most likely a troll/inter/griefer at their core anyway and probably done it discreetly in games before, that means you've just gotten rid of the real plague, people who intentionally throw games.

Chat toxicity is being overpunished, Imaqtpie even agreed in the recent Beyondtherift episode.

ModPrandineApr 14, 20181 votes

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This was 4 years ago and that was a chat restriction, not a complete silence which is what I'm suggesting

I disagree with this as I feel it will just lead to the same problems as infinite chat restrictions did where people who couldn't harass and cause grief to other players in chat will just do so by trolling, inting and leaving/afking.

And for the second part I'll repeat myself again.

If they start trolling through gameplay, they were most likely a troll/inter/griefer at their core anyway and probably done it discreetly in games before, that means you've just gotten rid of the real plague, people who intentionally throw games.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Why take that chance though? Why run the risk of them potentially ruining even more games than they already have?

Chat toxicity is being overpunished, Imaqtpie even agreed in the recent Beyondtherift episode.

I disagree that it's being overpunished. It's definitely more noticeable as chat-related punished players are more likely to be confused and come to the boards seeking help than trolls and inters who almost always know what they're doing is wrong and thus have no need to come seeking advice. but it's not overpunished in my opinion.

NraderApr 14, 20181 votes

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I disagree with this as I feel it will just lead to the same problems as infinite chat restrictions did where people who couldn't harass and cause grief to other players in chat will just do so by trolling, inting and leaving/afking.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Why take that chance though? Why run the risk of them potentially ruining even more games than they already have?

I disagree that it's being overpunished. It's definitely more noticeable as chat-related punished players are more likely to be confused and come to the boards seeking help than trolls and inters who almost always know what they're doing is wrong and thus have no need to come seeking advice. but it's not overpunished in my opinion.

Well you're an advisor, it doesn't matter what I say.. You'll back up riot no matter what to keep your badge.

ModPrandineApr 15, 2018

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Well you're an advisor, it doesn't matter what I say.. You'll back up riot no matter what to keep your badge.

Me being an advisor has nothing to do with it, I honestly just disagree with the idea you've proposed because to me it's not actually solving the problem, but arguably making it worse. I don't always agree with everything Riot does, such as the removal of Dominion as a permanent game mode, but when it comes to most cases of player behavior I do agree with them. That's something that was the case even before I became an arbiter/adviser.

NraderApr 15, 20181 votes

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Me being an advisor has nothing to do with it, I honestly just disagree with the idea you've proposed because to me it's not actually solving the problem, but arguably making it worse. I don't always agree with everything Riot does, such as the removal of Dominion as a permanent game mode, but when it comes to most cases of player behavior I do agree with them. That's something that was the case even before I became an arbiter/adviser.

Give me a better example of something you disagree with, dominion is old news

The reason you agreed with everything they did before you became an adviser is because you wanted to become one.

PibbersApr 14, 20181 votes

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bullgodzApr 14, 20182 votes

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your argument here is trash, as have all of your arguments been. sadly.

They clearly state he is free to make a new account. so if he's really "ruining games," he wouldn't be allowed to make a new account.

the motivation for these bans is financial. which is truly scumbaggy of Riot. They want him to make a new account to spend more money.

They could simply permanently chat restrict him if he was truly a "toxic verbal player ruining games." but we all know that's a bunch of bullshit, which is why they banned his account.

He isn't a good "advisor". And his answers are toxic within themselves, which he is arguing against. LOL

OnecimusApr 14, 20181 votes

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your argument here is trash, as have all of your arguments been. sadly.

Oh good counter to his argument. How are his arguments trash?

They clearly state he is free to make a new account. so if he's really "ruining games," he wouldn't be allowed to make a new account.

How would they block someone from making a new account? IP bans are dated and useless, our accounts are tied to anything like a SSN like in KR, can't ban credit cards as multiple people might use the same one... So how do you suggest they do that?

the motivation for these bans is financial. which is truly scumbaggy of Riot. They want him to make a new account to spend more money.

What proof do you have of this? Riot bans people because they tell them that they will ban them if they behave a certain way. You know what every single player that has ever played league has said when Riot told them that? "I agree". That's the TOU.

Furthermore, most people don't get banned from a game and come back, continue to be toxic, and spend more money.

Furthermore, there is such a small number of people getting perma banned, that this would be one of the least efficient ways for any company to make money.

So with ALL OF THAT in mind, what proof do you have otherwise? Besides hearsay.

They could simply permanently chat restrict him if he was truly a "toxic verbal player ruining games." but we all know that's a bunch of bullshit, which is why they banned his account.

Riot tried this years ago, it just leads to people trolling. Which you yourself are vehemently against, whether intentional or not. So how would that be better?

I have presented you with four questions. We can have an interesting conversation here, if you come back with intelligent answers to those questions.

Toxicate13Apr 14, 20181 votes

How did OP ruin that game? he literally had someone inting on his team and you're saying he's the one that ruined the game? Don't play online games if you get offended so easily.

Imperial PandaaApr 14, 20182 votes

Would this normally net a permaban? No, it would not. However, because of prior punishments it is enough to receive a punishment. It just happened your next step was a permaban.

COWYSApr 14, 20181 votes

I think my ban should be reduced. I played 100s of games after my 14 day and was receiving my honor back. I feel like this game I wasn't really even toxic. If I was please explain.

Imperial PandaaApr 14, 20183 votes

You mean besides overstepping trash talk and going into harassing territory? Tell me, did constantly harping on the Lux actually change her gameplay? No? Then why are you doing it? To make yourself feel better?

They won't reduce it because you worked towards the punishment.

Thee Pie ManApr 14, 20181 votes

Okie bud, let me try to lay this out as plainly as I can: What you think is mistaken and fundamentally flawed from the get go.

You had how many chances to reform before this point, you had how many times to not type a message- you had literally warning after warning, and a finally one telling you what would happen if you messed up again. Let's just ignore the fact that you signed up to play a game, that had the rules in place to begin with, but BROKE the rules several times to get to this point.

Let's say you went up to someone in real life, and gave them some sort of physical trauma- regardless of how it is, if they asked you to stop/were uncomfortable with it you physically assaulted them by the definition of assault. Just as there's a definition of toxic, and it's defined by very negative and condescending behavior of other people/players.

Now, do you believe that someone who essentially gets probation- someone told not to hurt people any more should get their sentence reduced if they hurt anyone in any other way again?

That's what YOU did in some way or another. You don't have to believe it, you can think people are thin skinned and that means they hurt themselves- but the only element involved that actually hurt them IS you, the toxic player. Please explain to me how it is the system's fault when you went against a system again and again and broke the rules knowingly? Why should you get your sentence reduced?... You hurt people, admitting it or not- acknowledging it or not doesn't matter. You did what you did, and you can't weasel out of it.

COWYSApr 14, 20181 votes

what did i do im chat log to break rules