Lost everything i worked for this year because of 1 blindpick troll

SoHigh·Oct 25, 2018·2 votes·2,663 views

Game 1 In-Game SoHigh3: ? SoHigh3: cool SoHigh3: so why did he 2 hit me? SoHigh3: any logic behind that? SoHigh3: u have a level on me, u cant 1v1? lmfao SoHigh3: terrible SoHigh3: strongest early game champ int he game SoHigh3: xin baby sits him

(Riven all-chats to report me because shes died)

SoHigh3: toxic riven SoHigh3: cry more its blind pick SoHigh3: "how so" u just said to report me cause ur trash tier and died somehow SoHigh3: LMAO SoHigh3: your talking to your own teammate in allchat SoHigh3: lol try to have fun man ur on a game SoHigh3: play ur main in blind pick somemore SoHigh3: was talking to yas trash tier not you riven SoHigh3: jsut report this guy hes so weird SoHigh3: ggs report riven toxic SoHigh3: go for it, false reporting gets your future reports ignored SoHigh3: ur 13 and mad at the world talking trash in unranked league SoHigh3: congrats SoHigh3: type* SoHigh3: nice plus u cant read, muted.

Post-Game SoHigh3: ggwp SoHigh3: report toxic riven plz SoHigh3: her duo bard too SoHigh3: dont need children taking their frustrations out in league chat

So it took me 2-3 months to get honor level 2 again and an entire year to achieve my current rank...which finally enabled me to receive my ranked rewords (loading screen border ect.) As a result from a single blind pick game (complete chat log provided above) i've lost: -all my honor level progress -all ranked rewords for 2018 season -chat banned for 10 games -put back on the list of players whose next offense is punishable by account ban.

1). When someone speaks to you and you respond this is not harassment. 2). The report/ban is not perfect, therefore the system has the potential to be exploited and taken advantage of. 3). There exists, cases where a player is unjustly disciplined by riot

Please restore my honor and ranked rewords and take me off this chat ban.

68 Comments

iiGazeiiOct 25, 201810 votes

You honestly think calling your teammates "trash tier" and telling them to "cry more" isn't toxic? It's not enough to simply not initiate bad behavior, but you have to not commit it as well.

If you want Honor rewards, be honorable. Shit talking is not honorable.

SoHighOct 25, 20181 votes

Nope, that has never been the argument, the argument and context is clearly made in the title aswell as the rest of the post. Try rereading it inorder to understand. The reason you can say "you're a jerk" and not be banned is because there is a standard or definition of that constitutes as BANNEDABLE COMMENTS OR BEHAVIOR.

Meaning there is a difference between behavior that is "toxic" and behavior that crosses that line and results in the ban of that player.

Occasionally Riot mistakenly bans a player simply because that player is reported by multiple players from the same game, the problem with this is that when people play in groups and 1 of them enters into an altercation, all members of their party typically "get the back" of there party member, specifically when the game has been lost.

rujitraOct 26, 20183 votes

You can’t say “you’re a jerk” and be guaranteed not to be banned. Likewise, you can say it 5-10 times in a match and not be guaranteed to be banned.

Punishments are based on your chat as a whole. Not based on “key words” or “key phrases”.

SoHighOct 26, 20181 votes

How could you possible know that

rujitraOct 26, 20183 votes

Because that’s how it works? Have you read anything on machine learning, neural networks, etc?

iiGazeiiOct 26, 20183 votes

But you didn't just say "you're a jerk", you repeatedly insulted at least two players on your team. Are you trying to say that after months of saying nothing that even approaches being in toxic in chat, this one game of being toxic got your honor level taken away again? Because I seriously doubt that this sort of behavior was limited to this game.

Let me be clear: Your chat text that you posted is toxic, and behaving in that way is ban-able.

JamareeOct 25, 20189 votes

Responding isn’t harassment, insulting them kind of is.
What did you say here that can’t be said about literally every persecution system ever, yes literally all of them have flaws and yes literally all of them fuck up at times.
There indeed have been cases of unjust punishments, this wasn’t one of them.

SoHighOct 25, 20181 votes

IDK how to respond to that, so you agree the report/ban system isnt perfect, you're somehow confused of what the definition of harassment is and you end it with i dont deserve to have my rank/honor reinstated with nothing supporting your argument. um, ok. thanks?

JamareeOct 25, 20187 votes

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IDK how to respond to that, so you agree the report/ban system isnt perfect, you're somehow confused of what the definition of harassment is

How is insulting your opponents then insulting Riven not harassment?

and you end it with i dont deserve to have my rank/honor reinstated with nothing supporting your argument. um, ok. thanks?

Yeah you don’t, you don’t get punishment from one game unless what you say is really bad , you showcased a pattern and was punished for it, you have no one to blame but yourself.

SoHighOct 25, 20181 votes

Yeah i understand you are disagreeing with me, please use some actual logic, reasoning, or evidence to explain your point (if there is one) dont just restate it over and over. ""You got banned so u must deserve it NaNa"" what purpose do you have on these forums? Trolling?

You're opinion is calling someone "trash tier" once is reprehensible, equal to racial or ethnic slurs, deserving of the most detrimental disciplinary action riot has. This is absurd by any standard. You couldn't possibly believe this so i assume you're just trolling. Stop wasting my time.

XidphelOct 25, 20185 votes

You're opinion is calling someone "trash tier" once is reprehensible, equal to racial or ethnic slurs

Wasn't even implied he believed that.

SoHighOct 25, 20181 votes

Well that's what i said that resulted in me being banned.... and he thinks the decision to ban me was justified. I think that pretty clearly "implied he believed that"

XidphelOct 26, 20184 votes

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-chat banned for 10 games

Are you living up to your name right now? The "chat ban" you mentioned back in your original post is a CHAT RESTRICTION. DIFFERENT from what slurs lead you to.

XidphelOct 25, 20184 votes

Here's how it works. Calling someone "thrash tier" ONCE puts a dent on your record but isn't enough to punish you with a 10-game chat restriction YET. Show consistent behavior like this and at some point, you'll get that punishment. If you continue to show this kind of behavior after your punishment, you get muted for 25 games. If you continue, you get banned for 14 days. If you continue, you're done. Permaban. That's how punishment NORMALLY works.

Those slurs you mentioned, along with inviting people to harm themselves, are a special case. Their punishment skip the chat restrictions and go straight to 14-day ban.

JamareeOct 26, 20186 votes

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Yeah i understand you are disagreeing with me, please use some actual logic, reasoning, or evidence to explain your point (if there is one) dont just restate it over and over. ""You got banned so u must deserve it NaNa"" what purpose do you have on these forums? Trolling?

How am I not using logic, insulting our opponent is against the rules, insulting your allies is against the rules, you did both someone reported you for it, you got punished.

You're opinion is calling someone "trash tier" once is reprehensible, equal to racial or ethnic slurs, deserving of the most detrimental disciplinary action riot has.

No, hence why you only got a chat restriction instead of a 14 day ban. You got what amounts to a ticket in real life, you broke the rules you got punished, just because someone does worst doesn’t excuse you. You basically got a warning to shape up as your next punishments will be worst.

This is absurd by any standard. You couldn't possibly believe this so i assume you're just trolling. Stop wasting my time.

I’m sorry that you think you are innocent?

SoHighOct 26, 20181 votes

Around in circles.... Want me to copy and paste what i just said or do you seriously not understand the difference in calling someone a jerk compared to a racial slur? Seriously the semantics argument your going for is embarrassing. Let me make it easy for you to understand;

Calling someone "trash tier" isnt a banable offense

the end.

i lost my ranked rewords over this for the entire year so im posting about it on forums to appeal.

I provided my chatlogs inorder to demonstrate my comments were not deserving of a discipline.

rujitraOct 26, 20185 votes

There is a difference. “Mild” flaming like “you’re a jerk” results in chat restrictions, racial slurs result in instantaneous 14 day bans.

Calling someone trash tier is 100% flaming and 100% nonconstructive and is 100% punishable if in the context of your entire chat that game your whole chat is above a certain level of “tolerable” or “slip up”.

SoHighOct 26, 20181 votes

Competitive games are always going to have trash talking to some extent...

Seems like it would make alot more sense if certain words or phrases the "computer" looks for to ban where simply not allowed in chat in the first place? or the fact that all-chat must be enabled, so anyone capable of reading these messages from their opponents chooses to do so.

rujitraOct 26, 20186 votes

Trash talking:

“Lol nice ult there” after your teammate wastes their ult.

“Bro ur supposed to flash over the wall” - after they fail flashing.

Flaming:

“U suck”, “you’re trash tier”, “terrible”, “any logic”, “cry more”, “report this guy he’s so weird”, “false reporting gets your future reports ignored” (hey fun fact this isn’t even true, so nice, you’re flaming and lying).

Yeah. You were flaming. Not “trash talking”. The fact you can’t control yourself and be sportsmanlike doesn’t mean it is “always” going to happen or “everyone” does it.

By the way, once again, the computer does not look for “words” or “phrases”. That’s not how it works. Again, it doesn’t matter what words you use (save for extremely bad things like hate speech which are always punished). It is the combination of all your chat that results in your punishment, not just “specific” things.

XidphelOct 26, 20181 votes

i lost my ranked rewords over this for the entire year so im posting about it on forums to appeal.

Forums is not the place to appeal. Riot support is. This place is a place of discussion, mainly among OTHER SUMMONERS WHO HOLD 0 POWER OF APPEAL. The only thing moderators -who are, in fact, mere summoners like you and I- is move, lock, or delete threads.

JamareeOct 26, 20183 votes

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Around in circles.... Want me to copy and paste what i just said or do you seriously not understand the difference in calling someone a jerk compared to a racial slur?

I can literally see in your original post. You seem to be understand the mindset that only saying racial slurs and things of that nature gets you punishment, that is false. Any and all means of belittling your allies, your opponent, or generally being a jerk is against the rules based off Riot’s rules.

Seriously the semantics argument your going for is embarrassing. Let me make it easy for you to understand;

Calling someone "trash tier" isnt a banable offense

the end.

Except it is, by their rules it is. You were being a jerk. You insulted your opponent by making fun of their ability to play the game as you called them terrible and saying they need to be babysat, you then insulted your allies by calling them trash tier which is also being toxic. You broke the summoner’s code.

i lost my ranked rewords over this for the entire year so im posting about it on forums to appeal.

You won’t get one.

I provided my chatlogs inorder to demonstrate my comments were not deserving of a discipline.

Except they were.

SoHighOct 26, 20181 votes

The point you make is moronic, the logic and proof you use is the fact that an action was taken by riot. Thats it. And you personally agree with it. Cool. Thanks for responding. "saying trash tier isnt nice so you deserve anything and everything" its just dumb. What i said wasnt that biga deal and you know it, youre a troll.

You cant use the-fact-that-it-happend as proof it was right... and you agree with the decision so thats proof that its right... its just silly i cant take you seriously. Be done talking to me it exhausting explaining how to use reason to prove a claim with you. No offense but just move on.

JamareeOct 26, 20182 votes

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The point you make is moronic, the logic and proof you use is the fact that an action was taken by riot. Thats it. And you personally agree with it. Cool. Thanks for responding. "saying trash tier isnt nice so you deserve anything and everything" its just dumb. What i said wasnt that biga deal and you know it, youre a troll.

You cant use the-fact-that-it-happend as proof it was right... and you agree with the decision so thats proof that its right... its just silly i cant take you seriously. Be done talking to me it exhausting explaining how to use reason to prove a claim with you. No offense but just move on.

I mean you are the one gonna be stuck with no rewards but ok, better luck next season

Telephone BoothOct 26, 20182 votes

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Around in circles.... Want me to copy and paste what i just said or do you seriously not understand the difference in calling someone a jerk compared to a racial slur? Seriously the semantics argument your going for is embarrassing. Let me make it easy for you to understand;

Calling someone "trash tier" isnt a banable offense

the end.

i lost my ranked rewords over this for the entire year so im posting about it on forums to appeal.

I provided my chatlogs inorder to demonstrate my comments were not deserving of a discipline.

But calling someone trash tier IS against the rules dude. Why can't you grasp that?

SonicAFOct 26, 20181 votes

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Yeah you don’t, you don’t get punishment from one game unless what you say is really bad , you showcased a pattern and was punished for it, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Does that mean that if pattern is false-positive the system fucked up? Can Rito present that pattern?

JamareeOct 26, 20181 votes

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Does that mean that if pattern is false-positive the system fucked up? Can Rito present that pattern?

Yeah, false positives happen, there was that case of five friends doing the purposeful inting strats in Not Dominion, and got banned.

disregardableOct 25, 20188 votes

Lost everything i worked for this year because of ~~1 blindpick troll~~ displaying consistently negative behavior over many games

SoHighOct 25, 20181 votes

This guy didn't make it past the title... You have no way of proving that im consistently negative over many games, how you came to this conclusion after reading the title of my post and moving straight to responding reflects how meaningless your opinion is. Thanks for responding.

disregardableOct 25, 20187 votes

the fact that you got one is the proof. they only give them for consistently negative behavior.

your perception of what counts as negative doesn't match up with Riot's. which sucks for you.

SoHighOct 25, 20181 votes

Did you make it all the way threw the post this time?

My "perception" isnt relevant, what i said word-for-word is listed within the post you refuse to read. According to riot Code of Conduct i have not broken any rules. Therefore i do no require discipline.

Try again to make a coherent statement or please... move to the next post and disagree with that one.

rujitraOct 26, 20184 votes

Yes, in fact, you have. You flamed and harassed others as well as generally just being a negative jerk to your teammates.

Please go review the Summoner’s Code you agreed to when you signed up and upon each patch.

IllabetheOct 26, 20181 votes

Actually.... bans are automated..... there's no intelligent thought to them. In other words, there's no actual strength behind any argument other than, "The IFS bans words"

VoldymortOct 26, 20181 votes

the IFS has been proven to understand passive agressiveness and harrassment when no "nasty adjectives" exist

your argument is invalid

IllabetheOct 26, 20181 votes

That's because the word lists include phrases.

And what was my argument? Oh right. That intelligent thought has nothing to do with deciding whether or not the IFS flags you. It's a robot.

And it doesn't.

Also, Riot itself has admitted that the IFS is about 20% more aggressive toward's flagging behavior than the very Tribunal they based the results on. That means..... they added phrases to it that were not normally banned before the change, and that the IFS has run away with it.

The very fact that the IFS can discipline Passive Aggressiveness itself is scary, because that's how people cope and not go completely toxic in this gaming environment. Most games don't even ban aggressive violators. The fact League is banning passive aggressiveness should tell you something. The fact that the community is more toxic now than it has ever been, should also tell you something.

The system is failing to meet its objectives, unless you count bannees returning and spending on skins on alternative accounts...... an objective.

VoldymortOct 27, 20181 votes

That's because the word lists include phrases.

proof?

And what was my argument? Oh right. That intelligent thought has nothing to do with deciding whether or not the IFS flags you. It's a robot.

it doesn't mean it's not inteligent

That means..... they added phrases to it that were not normally banned before the change, and that the IFS has run away with it.

again... proof?

The very fact that the IFS can discipline Passive Aggressiveness itself is scary, because that's how people cope and not go completely toxic in this gaming environment.

you mean "that's how people loophole toxicity so they can get away with it"

Most games don't even ban aggressive violators.

the majority of posts on these boards say otherwise

The fact League is banning passive aggressiveness should tell you something.

yeah. it tells me that best behaviour is recommended

The fact that the community is more toxic now than it has ever been, should also tell you something.

it would if ou had any sort of proof of this claim. but like most of your claims you don't and, instead, go with the "i think this is how it works, therefore it must be how it works" logic

The system is failing to meet its objectives, unless you count bannees returning and spending on skins on alternative accounts...... an objective.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

this shit argument again...

that's like saying "when your family takes away your drugs, it is because they're in cahoots with the drug dealer so that you can go and buy more drugs"

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/giphy.gif

the only thing riot is guilty of is making an addictive game

they don't force you to make a new account and they don't force you to dump your wallet into it. you do it off your own volition because you are too entitled to play a free-to-play game without your favourite skins that add nothing to the game itself other than eye candy

please... just stop...

IllabetheOct 27, 20181 votes

You really need to learn to read Riot's own releases on the status of the IFS....

They themselves had admitted most of this in various posts..... hence why NA was actually attempting a reform trial to perma banned accounts.... A lot of these points were covered in that post by Riot Maples.

There was also a disclosure from Riot in a webzine about game security within the first 2 years of the IFS in which they declared their results. After all, they considered their experiment to be something other games should build off of.

Stop white knighting without actually knowing what you are talking about.

P.S. If this was an in game discussion, I'm absolutely sure Riot would be flagging your aggressiveness, and you would eventually be punished..... So I doubt you're even close to a role model of what you try to preach.

VoldymortOct 27, 20181 votes

P.S. If this was an in game discussion, I'm absolutely sure Riot would be flagging your aggressiveness, and you would eventually be punished..... So I doubt you're even close to a role model of what you try to preach.

Except that would never happen since i tune out the meaningless drama when in the game

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Kei143Oct 26, 20183 votes

It's easy for you to get proof. Submit a ticket to https://support.riotgames.com and ask them how many games were considered in your punishment.

You'll be surprised but the answer.

MagicFlyingLlamaOct 25, 20187 votes

You dont get a free pass on flaming and throwing just because you think someone is trolling.

SoHighOct 25, 20181 votes

IDK how you define flaming, if your reading what i said and consider that flaming you must not play league often. IDK how you came to the conclusion i was "throwing" off chat-texts, i out-damged the riven player and i had less deaths; it was my 2nd time playing xin.

MagicFlyingLlamaOct 25, 20186 votes

You dont get to choose your own definitions of flaming, sorry.

And the throwing was looking at your match history, not your chat. I am pretty impressed, really. Everyone was bad, but you did especially well on that count.

Also the Darius gets a medal for never using a ward.

You called people trash, threatened them, complained endlessly, lots of defeatist whining..

Yep, flaming. Everyone else is in agreement, you may just have to deal with it. Denying it wont make it go away or stop people punishing you for your refusal to control yourself.

SoHighOct 26, 20181 votes

Apology accepted, but i haven't provided my own definition for flaming just the one provided by Riot.

Sure, just quote when i threatened anyone, please.

I said: SoHigh3: so why did he 2 hit me? SoHigh3: strongest early game champ int he game SoHigh3: xin baby sits him

Answering questions mid game about why Renekton was strong early game, this to you is "defeatiest whining and complaining".

You have my comments above yet you choose not to quote them. I appropriate the time u spent looking at my recents but your conclusion doesnt seem to reflect that at all... i did literally nothing you accused me of doing.

MagicFlyingLlamaOct 26, 20183 votes

Just the first three that came to mind:

SoHigh3: was talking to yas trash tier not you riven

report toxic riven plz

SoHigh3: "how so" u just said to report me cause ur trash tier and died somehow

Your statement about honor suggests this happens fairly often. If you continue to refuse to accept it is your fault, you will end up permbanned.

Regardless of how moronic your team is being, flaming them back wont do anything except make them play even worse, distract everyone else, and often tilt yourself as well. It is not worth the effort.

Zombie GerbilOct 25, 20186 votes

Actually, it's more like that you lost everything because you lost control of your own temper. Don't blame other players for your lack of self-control. That's your responsibility, not their's.

SoHighOct 26, 20181 votes

lol... what? who am i blaming? i just want the ban removed and my honor level restored... where are you reading im blaming someone?

Zombie GerbilOct 26, 20184 votes

Dude, your title? You don't deserve the ban to be removed and you don't deserve your honor. None of it.

Kei143Oct 26, 20182 votes

I guess you didn't know that asking / threatening for reports is considered mild toxicity.

So I'm pretty sure you call for reports pretty often.

SoHighOct 26, 20182 votes

Is mild toxicity grounds for losing your honor level and therefore all ranked rewords?

XidphelOct 26, 20182 votes

Only if you do it consistently.

Kei143Oct 26, 20182 votes