It's actually absurd. That's not ruining the game for anyone especially when there is a mute button.
The only people that should be banned are people that afk, troll, and feed. They're not playing the game.
Someone that's cursing at the team or anyone is still playing to win.
RiotRiot Whiskies38 votesAww, I'm sad you feel this way, Nickie :[
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of simply 'playing to win'... when I work and play with others, it's a lot more than just about that end result -- the whole process is a part it all. If I don't get along and cooperate with my teammates, then the experience is just cruddy and takes away from the satisfaction and enjoyment of whatever we may have accomplished. Especially when you are up against another team fighting for the same objective, someone pretty much HAS to lose... why not make sure the time and effort spent is at least a fairly pleasant one?
Hope you can realize that cursing and negativity are very unsportsmanlike, and that winning isn't everything <3
Applesaucey7 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot grrrlee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-01-26T17:33:35.688+0000)
Aww, I'm sad you feel this way, Nickie :[
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of simply 'playing to win'... when I work and play with others, it's a lot more than just about that end result -- the whole process is a part it all. If I don't get along and cooperate with my teammates, then the experience is just cruddy and takes away from the satisfaction and enjoyment of whatever we may have accomplished. Especially when you are up against another team fighting for the same objective, someone pretty much HAS to lose... why not make sure the time and effort spent is at least a fairly pleasant one?
Hope you can realize that cursing and negativity are very unsportsmanlike, and that winning isn't everything <3
Except that in ranked winning is supposed to be everything.
Abyssphere3 votesExcept that in ranked winning is supposed to be everything.
Try to find a quote of Riot ever saying that winning is the only thing that matters in ranked.
Applesaucey2 votesTry to find a quote of Riot ever saying that winning is the only thing that matters in ranked.
Don't need a quote the very nature of the queue it self proves the point. The point of a ranked queue is for a player to try and climb as high as possible in the rankings above other players. And with mmr being entirely dependent upon whether you win or lose, the entire point of the queue is to win at all costs.
Cryonicity2 votesya but you can do so with a healthy mentality or its the end all be all one and the latter is very unhealthy
bumbertyr1 votesya but you can do so with a healthy mentality or its the end all be all one and the latter is very unhealthy
literally every game with ranked has people swearing cursing and getting angry at the team, most of them have a mute button too. It's interesting how riot has the strictest policies yet their community is still the worst.
Faded Lich7 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot grrrlee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-01-26T17:33:35.688+0000)
Aww, I'm sad you feel this way, Nickie :[
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of simply 'playing to win'... when I work and play with others, it's a lot more than just about that end result -- the whole process is a part it all. If I don't get along and cooperate with my teammates, then the experience is just cruddy and takes away from the satisfaction and enjoyment of whatever we may have accomplished. Especially when you are up against another team fighting for the same objective, someone pretty much HAS to lose... why not make sure the time and effort spent is at least a fairly pleasant one?
Hope you can realize that cursing and negativity are very unsportsmanlike, and that winning isn't everything <3
If winning isn't everything then why is there a ranked mode the rewards you specifically on winning and has clear/only negatives for losing? For a game where you claim winning isn't everything, the reward system seems to only reward winning which as you might expect starkly disagrees with you.
I'm not arguing you should be rude but what you're saying is honestly absurd. It's like telling NFL players winning isn't everything when they threw the superbowl.
ModPrandine6 votesWhat they mean that you can have fun while also trying to win the game as well. Yes it always stinks to lose, but sometimes that fact becomes a non issue when everyone on the team and/or in the game is having a fun time.
Abyssphere4 votes[{quoted}](name=Faded Lich,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2016-01-26T18:27:46.634+0000)
If winning isn't everything then why is there a ranked mode the rewards you specifically on winning and has clear/only negatives for losing? For a game where you claim winning isn't everything, the reward system seems to only reward winning which as you might expect starkly disagrees with you.
I'm not arguing you should be rude but what you're saying is honestly absurd. It's like telling NFL players winning isn't everything when they threw the superbowl.
Because the rewards you get for winning aren't everything, either. When it comes to earning rewards, winning is the only thing that matters, sure. But when it comes to people having fun, there's more to the game than winning and Victorious skins.
Faded Lich5 votesBecause the rewards you get for winning aren't everything, either. When it comes to earning rewards, winning is the only thing that matters, sure. But when it comes to people having fun, there's more to the game than winning and Victorious skins.
So you're saying losing is fun, not getting rewards is fun and getting man handled for 20 minutes minimum is fun? Sorry, but this game is winning and winning IS fun. Losing, not so much.
Abyssphere5 votes[{quoted}](name=Faded Lich,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=0002000100020000,timestamp=2016-01-26T19:27:24.579+0000)
So you're saying losing is fun, not getting rewards is fun and getting man handled for 20 minutes minimum is fun? Sorry, but this game is winning and winning IS fun. Losing, not so much.
No, I'm saying there are things other than losing that aren't fun. I have won a lot of games in the past that weren't enjoyable, and I've lost and had fun too. Why do people always act as if being a nice person and winning are mutually exclusive? Because you can be a friendly person and help your team win at the same time.
Faded Lich2 votesNo, I'm saying there are things other than losing that aren't fun. I have won a lot of games in the past that weren't enjoyable, and I've lost and had fun too. Why do people always act as if being a nice person and winning are mutually exclusive? Because you can be a friendly person and help your team win at the same time.
I never once tied being nice and winning together, so why you're trying to bring that up to me is entirely beyond me and is rather pointless to the conversation. Perhaps take some time and re-read what I originally said and come back to the conversation, because you've either missed something or read something into it incorrectly.
Abyssphere1 votes[{quoted}](name=Faded Lich,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=000200010002000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-26T21:33:11.936+0000)
I never once tied being nice and winning together, so why you're trying to bring that up to me is entirely beyond me and is rather pointless to the conversation. Perhaps take some time and re-read what I originally said and come back to the conversation, because you've either missed something or read something into it incorrectly.
You are telling me I'm misreading what you're saying when your previous post included the phrase "So you're saying losing is fun?". You extrapolated "The act of losing is fun" from "There's more to having fun in this game than winning" - I don't think you should try to condescend when you are the one with reading comprehension issues here.
Faded Lich1 votesYou are telling me I'm misreading what you're saying when your previous post included the phrase "So you're saying losing is fun?". You extrapolated "The act of losing is fun" from "There's more to having fun in this game than winning" - I don't think you should try to condescend when you are the one with reading comprehension issues here.
Difference: I was responding to something directly in the writing of what was quoted. See
"No, I'm saying there are things other than losing that aren't fun. I have won a lot of games in the past that weren't enjoyable, and I've lost and had fun too."
From what I was responding too. I didn't extrapolate anything, I was responding to something directly stated with my disagreement of said statement.
Now, what I getting you about was the following: "Why do people always act as if being a nice person and winning are mutually exclusive? Because you can be a friendly person and help your team win at the same time."
I never said other wise or implied it, even at one point directly saying and I quote. "I'm not arguing you should be rude" because I don't believer there is an excuse to be rude.
Thus, what you're saying to me is pointless, outside of what our conversation was about and held an accusation that not only was unwarranted but easily proved false by what I said: Reading
You can continue to go on the attack if you like but you have no reason to and frankly you're not getting any place with it. IF you disagree and can't come up with valid reasons for it or don't want to bother then just simply end with you're disagreement and let it be. Don't try to switch subjects or attack me, it's not only rude (the irony) but doesn't get any place.
I bid you good day.
bumbertyr1 votesBecause the rewards you get for winning aren't everything, either. When it comes to earning rewards, winning is the only thing that matters, sure. But when it comes to people having fun, there's more to the game than winning and Victorious skins.
if the reward is winning the match then why is removing ranked rewards such a big deal punishment wise?
Algedonic1 votesThere is a ranked mode in place that rewards players for winning because it is a competitive game. It's how competitive games work.
Your argument that league only has negatives in place for when you lose is wrong. When are you adversely affected for losing a game of league. Your account isn't penalized, nor do you lose IP. There's no negative. In the end when they give out the rewards EVERYONE is a winner. Each tier, even bronze,receives some sort of reward for playing ranked.
If you are talking about the LP system as a means of rewarding players for winning in ranked that isn't its purpose. Its purpose is to move people to locations in the community that is reflective of their skill level. So that people that are inherently good at the game don't stomp on people that are a little slower at grasping the game mechanics. At no point does League adversely affect those or lose games.
Faded Lich1 votesThere is a ranked mode in place that rewards players for winning because it is a competitive game. It's how competitive games work.
Your argument that league only has negatives in place for when you lose is wrong. When are you adversely affected for losing a game of league. Your account isn't penalized, nor do you lose IP. There's no negative. In the end when they give out the rewards EVERYONE is a winner. Each tier, even bronze,receives some sort of reward for playing ranked.
If you are talking about the LP system as a means of rewarding players for winning in ranked that isn't its purpose. Its purpose is to move people to locations in the community that is reflective of their skill level. So that people that are inherently good at the game don't stomp on people that are a little slower at grasping the game mechanics. At no point does League adversely affect those or lose games.
I respect your opinion and respectfully disagree. I think we just have a completely different value system when it comes to what is and isn't rewarding with regards to the game. I don't think I'm wrong but I can also see where you're coming from with that particular point of view, it just isn't one I personally share.
So i can't say you're wrong but can't say I agree. Hope that makes sense o/
Algedonic1 votesIt does make sense. No worries.
But if you feel you aren't be rewarded sufficiently/correctly for the effort you put into the game perhaps you should consider voicing your opinion (somewhere other then this thread for obvious reasons). There may be other players who share the same idea and are willing to back you up. If you get enough voices I'm sure things could change. Just remember to keep your wishes realistic and remember that not all things can happen as we wish them to. After all Riot is a company not a charity and they need to make money otherwise they wouldn't be able to give us the content that they do.
Faded Lich1 votesIt does make sense. No worries.
But if you feel you aren't be rewarded sufficiently/correctly for the effort you put into the game perhaps you should consider voicing your opinion (somewhere other then this thread for obvious reasons). There may be other players who share the same idea and are willing to back you up. If you get enough voices I'm sure things could change. Just remember to keep your wishes realistic and remember that not all things can happen as we wish them to. After all Riot is a company not a charity and they need to make money otherwise they wouldn't be able to give us the content that they do.
I feel I am rewarded fine, that isn't my point honestly. It's just I find it extremely silly to say winning isn't the point, even more so when you're taking part in something that is considered among many as a sport.
My problem is with the company not the game. They want a competitive game without any of the competitive atmosphere.
PDE5 Inhibitors3 votesI think if you people would actually start punishing trolls, you would see that "toxicity" would go way down.
Most say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
RiotRiot Whiskies4 votes[{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2016-01-26T19:26:31.795+0000)
I think if you people would actually start punishing trolls, you would see that "toxicity" would go way down.
Most say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I completely agree that players who provide poor experiences for others should be punished! It's something that's constantly being worked upon and evolving, even if it may not be completely apparent to the public eye. But I hope you are a little reassured that there are consequences, as can be evidenced from various posts from banned players.
Cryonicity1 votesmaybe people dont report them? idk.
bumbertyr1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot grrrlee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=000200020000,timestamp=2016-01-27T01:31:43.777+0000)
I completely agree that players who provide poor experiences for others should be punished! It's something that's constantly being worked upon and evolving, even if it may not be completely apparent to the public eye. But I hope you are a little reassured that there are consequences, as can be evidenced from various posts from banned players.
you do realize it's far to easy to make a new account and start over "well they aren't this rank anymore" if they were that rank before they can get there easily again. The system is flawed and will remain flawed unless you can keep them off the game permanently, which lets be realistic is impossible.
Photos of Ghosts1 votesYes but it frustrates them and makes them lose money until they give up.
bumbertyr1 votes[{quoted}](name=Photos of Ghosts,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=00020002000000020000,timestamp=2016-01-27T16:46:43.918+0000)
Yes but it frustrates them and makes them lose money until they give up.
sucks.
Karma Deified6 votesThe delivery of your reply would drive someone to toxicity.
RiotRiot Whiskies9 votes[{quoted}](name=A Lovely Whisper,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=00020003,timestamp=2016-01-26T20:11:07.201+0000)
The delivery of your reply would drive someone to toxicity.
Ack. I'm seriously working on this. It's really hard to figure out ways to express myself and my personal opinion whilst still being mindful of the audience and its spectrum of community members. I appreciate your take on this, and I swerz to try and be more aware of how some might take what I say. Delivery definitely is important and I don't want the meaning of my words to get lost because of poor word choice :T
Jorencice7 votesHaven't seen you around before maybe you just are on different boards than I usually go to.
But let me warn you in case you are new to the forumns.
There are some absolutely horrible riot haters that will condemn every single word you say and will react to your very presence with vitrol.
You CANNOT reason with them so don't even try and don't let the hate get to you. They are simply the vocal minority.
ModEchoing4 votesIt's because you're using too many words and keep talking about yourself. The last thing people like to hear from you in most cases is you talking about yourself. Spend less time talking about yourself and how you do it and more time focusing on what the other guy is doing and the consequences of such.
RiotRiot Whiskies10 votesIt's because you're using too many words and keep talking about yourself. The last thing people like to hear from you in most cases is you talking about yourself. Spend less time talking about yourself and how you do it and more time focusing on what the other guy is doing and the consequences of such.
Yeah I have tendency to babble on if not checked. ^^;; That's def something I can work on. Thanks for noting that.
The reason I choose to talk about myself is I don't want come across as telling others what to do. It's a general practice I try to use IRL, not just on these boards. I've found people can be more receptive if I say stuff like "I have tried Y in Z situations" as opposed to, "You should try Y in Z situations."
what you deserve2 votesThat reminds me of a book my manager had me read at my last job- have you heard of QBQ? It actually helped me climb in league haha
RiotRiot Whiskies2 votesThat reminds me of a book my manager had me read at my last job- have you heard of QBQ? It actually helped me climb in league haha
Had not heard of this book, but I looked it up and it sounds like an interesting read -- so long as it isn't too preachy haha. I've added it to my list with a note that you've recommended it, so I"ll be sure to ping you if I end up getting around to it ^^
Dediguise7 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot grrrlee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=00020003000000010000,timestamp=2016-01-27T06:13:52.010+0000)
Yeah I have tendency to babble on if not checked. ^^;; That's def something I can work on. Thanks for noting that.
The reason I choose to talk about myself is I don't want come across as telling others what to do. It's a general practice I try to use IRL, not just on these boards. I've found people can be more receptive if I say stuff like "I have tried Y in Z situations" as opposed to, "You should try Y in Z situations."
Honestly that criticism of you seems a little forced. You can't speak for anyone's experience other than your own and trying to would be disingenuous. I understand that the reason you phrase things the way you do is to frame your opinions as the subjective matter that they are.
Not only is there nothing wrong with that, but it is what people should do. Consider that all actions or inactions by individuals are result interpretations of reality. Much as the constitution is subject to the interpretation of the people. Like the Supreme Court, RIOT is the ultimate interpreter of the Summoners Code( or whatever it's called now) and you are a representation of RIOT. Ultimately what matters is your interpretation and the clarity with which it's projected. And by establishing that your opinion is subjective you make it very clear.
Karma Deified4 votesIt's because you're using too many words and keep talking about yourself. The last thing people like to hear from you in most cases is you talking about yourself. Spend less time talking about yourself and how you do it and more time focusing on what the other guy is doing and the consequences of such.
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It's canned personality.
There are some absolutely horrible riot haters that will condemn every single word you say and will react to your very presence with vitrol.
Every rioter has that thing about them that gives them a personality through the screen. They do it while coming across as a real person/without seeming like they're trying hard to be liked, rather than a quirky PR bot.
Lyte has that resident scientist feel for example.
Repetoir has that really professional analyst feel.
Riot's staff is mostly very cool and honestly the best overall staff I've seen in gaming thus far.
Edit - Forgot to add the constructive part of the criticism. Some may not agree, but you can easily gain a sense of personality and feeling from someone's post without queues such as the above "canned personality" things.
Frequent regular responses will convey just as much as this style without that slight feeling of...manipulation/patronization.
RiotRiot Whiskies3 votes[{quoted}](name=A Lovely Whisper,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=0002000300000002,timestamp=2016-01-27T04:54:22.530+0000)
It's canned personality.
Edit - Forgot to add the constructive part of the criticism. Some may not agree, but you can easily gain a sense of personality and feeling from someone's post without queues such as the above "canned personality" things.
Frequent regular responses will convey just as much as this style without that slight feeling of...manipulation/patronization.
Hrmm. I guess I am a bit confused what you mean about 'canned personality.' Do you mean that I am trying too hard by using words/phrases that may not normally be found in type, and thus coming across as manipulative or patronizing? Or perhaps that I have somehow been instructed to write in a certain way?
Not to get too caught up on this one topic :P But in no way do I want to strike others as pretending to speak or act in a particular way cuz I'm aiming to be liked or dictate what people should do. I honest to goodness write how I would talk, even in work-related emails. I guess the only time I don't, and try to be more 'professional,' is when I care to maintain a sense of anonymity and/or authority, or when I'm in a rather serious discussion that requires a bit more gravity -- eg, when dealing with customer service reps, or when I was a teacher.
I spose nobody can hope to perfectly portray themselves to everyone. I don't see myself changing how I say quirky/stupid words sometimes, or use ridiculous emoticons... but it's nice to know that people such as yourself [and several others in this thread] are honest in saying their impressions of me. It means I can work on being more aware of how I'm received, hopefully without losing my identity ~ヾ(＾∇＾)
Karma Deified2 votesActually, I should apologize, the posts in this thread aren't all that bad. I've seen your other posts before and after reading the beginning sentence of your original post here, I applied the tone of the other posts to it.
What I said applies more to what I usually see from you rather than here in this thread.
This response right here is perfect to me.
RiotRiot Whiskies1 votes[{quoted}](name=A Lovely Whisper,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=000200030000000200000000,timestamp=2016-01-27T06:32:35.881+0000)
Actually, I should apologize, the posts in this thread aren't all that bad. I've seen your other posts before and after reading the beginning sentence of your original post here, I applied the tone of the other posts to it.
What I said applies more to what I usually see from you rather than here in this thread.
This response right here is perfect to me.
Not "all that bad" eh? I will take it!
I'm glad we were able to have this mini conversation, A Lovely Whisper :] Thanks for taking the time to discuss with me. Got some great takeaways I'll do my best to keep in mind as I continue to interact more on these Boards.
Cryonicity1 votesdont worry RIOT GRRRLEE, i think you expressed it fine. this is just a post filled with negativity and very divided you cant help it.[slayer-jinx-catface]
DeynaTaggerung1 votesWell I don't think there was really much more you could have done to deliver that in a better way. You were sympathetic yet firm about what you thought. Not really sure what Lovely Whisper was talking about so let it make you doubt yourself that much
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot grrrlee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ce5u4BZ1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-01-26T17:33:35.688+0000)
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of simply 'playing to win'
Must... resist... urge... to comment... on multiple converging data points ....
S H A Y C 015 votesyeah...so when you tell me im a Fing N'er and should go kill myself...thats you "trying to win?" Bend over and take the Ban hammer [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Cryonicity1 votesthats not negativity thats under the langauge. i think the OP is confused on whats occuring lol
Austinodood9 votesi personally don't enjoy when teammates are assholes and put me and my teammates on tilt
that's just me though
AlwaysByMySide9 votesIt's actually absurd. That's not ruining the game for anyone especially when there is a mute button.
The only people that should be banned are people that afk, troll, and feed. They're not playing the game.
Someone that's cursing at the team or anyone is still playing to win.
Why should Riot enable your immaturity?
TeemoJenkins7 votesDon't you need a team to win? What team mate wants their peers to call them names and harass them? That's not playing to win, it's toxicity, carrot is more effective than stick.
ModPrandine6 votesYou may think that it's absurd, but Riot and the overall community doesn't. Riot has repeatedly stated that the mute button is not a "harass someone for free" button, and that jerks are the ones that ruin the game. You talk about how people that afk, troll and feed are not playing the game, but one could also argue that the people who spend allot of time raging and flaming in the chat are also not playing the game either, as they're spending the majority of their time thinking of exactly how they can rage and flame at someone effectively (effectively to them). Regardless though the point is that it doesn't matter what you're doing, if you're not trying to create a neutral or positive atmosphere then you're doing something wrong. Besides, people generally have more fun and are also generally more willing to cooperate with others as well when there's not someone going out of their way to be a jerk.
From the Tribunal FAQ:
What's the point of having a language filter if I can get banned for 'adult' language? We aren't out to punish players who use adult language; in fact, very few players are ever banned for saying stuff like "f***, I missed that skill shot" or "damn, fing close game!" However, the language filter is not an excuse to verbally abuse someone in the game. When you verbally abuse or harass someone by calling them "fing *****" or "ngger noob", that's when you've crossed the line and will be punished by the Tribunal. I've said this before and I'll say it again, we aren't trying to clean online games of adult language; we're trying to reform or get rid of jerks who like to verbally abuse and harass other players.
Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.
From Understanding the Tribunal:
5) Low skill players should be banned from the game! The Tribunal should only ban Leavers/AFK and intentional feeders, those are the only types of players that really ruin games! a) No. Just no. Jerks ruin games. League of Legends is for everyone whether they are 500 Elo or 2500 Elo. It's not a game for jerks.
Wiretap5 votesSomeone has to lose. If you can't handle getting a loss with grace and learn from it, maybe League isn't the game for you. Go play hello kitty island adventure instead. It's not like being a jerk is helping your team in any way.
PROJECT Fizz4 votesThis is like saying "It's okay to use this offensive word, because there is a censor button".
Bronze Mid Lane9 votesThis is like saying "It's okay to use this offensive word, because there is a censor button".
it is okay to use an offensive word, but not because of a censor button, because this is a game for adolescents through adults.
