Riot please permanently enable the chat filter

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Actually it very much does. While dead,

You aren't playing while dead. You can coach while dead.

while walking to lane

Depends. Auto pathing allows you to walk and type. Not really considered playing since you will have to stop typing to make any reactions. "Combat movement" requires clicking too much and will close the chat box.

Furthermore part of a team game is always morale,

Allow me to introduce you to the "psuedo-cuss word". That was "flippin" awesome.

Accomplishes the accentuating without actually cussing.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Allow me to introduce you to the "psuedo-cuss word". That was "flippin" awesome.

Accomplishes the accentuating without actually cussing.

You're moving the goal post.

You asked what benefits there were to cussing, and those benefits were explained to you via the detour of explaining the benefits of accentuation. Now it appears you are trying to move this discussion towards exclusive benefits of cusswords… but that was never the point.

Truth to be told the only reason why anybody is talking about the positive sides to begin with is because you keep deflecting the question as to why they are negative. Pointing towards irrelevant alternatives to cussing is just another attempt to steer the discussion away from the original point (whether profanity is inherently toxic) where the burden of proof is still on you.

{quoted} You asked what benefits there were to cussing, and those benefits were explained to you via the detour of explaining the benefits of accentuation.

If we are still talking about team morale, it's proven fact negative language loses more games. I give you option to achieve benefits of negative chat without being negative. You get all defensive and start arguing. You are jumping through a glass door instead of using the hinges.

Truth to be told the only reason why anybody is talking about the positive sides to begin with is because you keep deflecting the question as to why they are negative. Pointing towards irrelevant alternatives to cussing is just another attempt to steer the discussion away from the original point (whether profanity is inherently toxic) where the burden of proof is still on you.

Blah blah blah. Profanity is toxic by DEFINITION. All 2of your suggested positive uses have been proven incorrect.

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If we are still talking about team morale, it's proven fact negative language loses more games. I give you option to achieve benefits of negative chat without being negative. You get all defensive and start arguing. You are jumping through a glass door instead of using the hinges.

Blah blah blah. Profanity is toxic by DEFINITION. All 2of your suggested positive uses have been proven incorrect.

If profanity is toxic "by definition", feel free to share that definition. [Edit: I really hope you are reading this after I fixed the typo that asked you to change your definition, rather than share it. I definitely shouldn't write posts when I'm this sleepy]

Oh, and for the record, your first and last sentences contradict each other. You clearly talk about benefits of cussing in the first, and deny the existence of those benefits in the last.

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If profanity is toxic "by definition", feel free to share that definition. [Edit: I really hope you are reading this after I fixed the typo that asked you to change your definition, rather than share it. I definitely shouldn't write posts when I'm this sleepy]

You are silly. I don't make the definitions. I use dictionaries. You are mad real life agrees with me and there is nothing your internet bully community can do to stop it.

Oh, and for the record, your first and last sentences contradict each other. You clearly talk about benefits of cussing in the first, and deny the existence of those benefits in the last.

I discussed THEORETICAL benefits. So far, they have been proven non-existent. (Benefits of cussing)

Freedom of expression will never happen because people are not comfortable with absolute freedom of speech. As proven by "soft a" is allowed but never "hard er". Besides, that would be a benefit of freedom of speech, a higher power than profanity alone. It gives you the ability to use neutral and positive words as well. Whereas, freedom of profanity allows use of negative words alone.

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You are silly. I don't make the definitions. I use dictionaries. You are mad real life agrees with me and there is nothing your internet bully community can do to stop it.

I never said you made definitions, I implied that you had a specific definition in mind. Which dictionaries, which definitions? I cannot find a single one that would either define profanity as toxic or define toxicity to explicitly or implicitly include profanity.

I discussed THEORETICAL benefits. So far, they have been proven non-existent. (Benefits of cussing)

How are those benefits proven non-existent? You said, very clearly, and I quote:

I give you option to achieve benefits of negative chat without being negative.

You were talking about very specific benefits here. Benefits that I outlined. How are they non-existent?

Your line of argumentation is filled with non-sequiturs. You just assume a position and then state it as if it was fact without ever providing even a single argument for what is actually being discussed.

To reiterate the questions you still have not answered: Why is profanity inherently toxic? Why is accentuation for morale a non-existent benefit?

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I never said you made definitions, I implied that you had a specific definition in mind. Which dictionaries, which definitions? I cannot find a single one that would either define profanity as toxic or define toxicity to explicitly or implicitly include profanity.

You are just being a sore loser.

How are those benefits proven non-existent? You said, very clearly, and I quote:

You were talking about very specific benefits here. Benefits that I outlined. How are they non-existent?

Actually, it was a single theoretical benefit. Also, I was not being clear at the time. I get lazy some times when I talk to people like you. It doesn't matter what I say, you will disagree. I usually only engage with you for the benefit of third parties.

To reiterate the questions you still have not answered: Why is profanity inherently toxic?

You don't use dictionaries so you will just twist any answer I come up with.

Why is accentuation for morale a non-existent benefit?

It's a niche benefit at best. Requiring intimate knowledge of a random stranger (AKA benefits very few people while hurting a majority of others). Most likely, incapable of being proven true. (My friend says it helps, must be true.)

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You are just being a sore loser.

Actually, it was a single theoretical benefit. Also, I was not being clear at the time. I get lazy some times when I talk to people like you. It doesn't matter what I say, you will disagree. I usually only engage with you for the benefit of third parties.

You don't use dictionaries so you will just twist any answer I come up with.

It's a niche benefit at best. Requiring intimate knowledge of a random stranger (AKA benefits very few people while hurting a majority of others). Most likely, incapable of being proven true. (My friend says it helps, must be true.)

So much text… still no answer to the first question I asked. Must be really difficult to state a definition that is supposedly so clear that you don't need to provide an argument as to why profanity is toxic.

Oh, and congratulations on once more moving the goal post: Is the benefit non-existent or a niche benefit? "My friend says it helps" actually proves that it does exist, because even if a single person considers it helpful then there is an existent benefit. Furthermore "most likely incapable of being proven true" is one hell of a difference from non-existent.

Once again, because those questions have still not been properly answered: Why is profanity inherently toxic? Why is accentuation for morale a non-existent benefit?

Edit: Regarding "sore loser", you have literally no arguments for your side. Even if we consider you to be correct on accentuation being a theoretical non-existent niche benefit… that's still at least one argument more than you have ever shared on why profanity is inherently negative. Quality certainly is more important than quantity, but if the quantity of your arguments is literally zero you can not reasonably claim that you are "winning" a discussion.

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So much text… still no answer to the first question I asked. Must be really difficult to state a definition that is supposedly so clear that you don't need to provide an argument as to why profanity is toxic.

Oh, and congratulations on once more moving the goal post: Is the benefit non-existent or a niche benefit? "My friend says it helps" actually proves that it does exist, because even if a single person considers it helpful then there is an existent benefit. Furthermore "most likely incapable of being proven true" is one hell of a difference from non-existent.

Once again, because those questions have still not been properly answered: Why is profanity inherently toxic? Why is accentuation for morale a non-existent benefit?

Edit: Regarding "sore loser", you have literally no arguments for your side. Even if we consider you to be correct on accentuation being a theoretical non-existent niche benefit… that's still at least one argument more than you have ever shared on why profanity is inherently negative. Quality certainly is more important than quantity, but if the quantity of your arguments is literally zero you can not reasonably claim that you are "winning" a discussion.

My friend says peeing on himself cured his cancer.

I had to bold for emphasis. Down vote trolls clearly missed the context.

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But not being able to express myself in the manner to which I am accustomed is a major behavioral negative, it doesn't feel good, it makes me feel not good and it could lead to feeling like you can't effectively vent frustrations which could lead to a downward trend of in game trolling and negativity since someone can't vent it in chat.

And yet, you are ok with permanently banning other players for their personality. Personally, I'd rather have my chat filtered than my account banned. I wouldn't want to take away your pleasurable experience of reporting people though.

EDIT: BTW, you admitted I was correct without knowing it. Me

More effective than an optional chat filter.

You

Less effective for anyone that wants to curse, even for positive emphasis.

Me

Chat filter does not lose effectiveness. Cussing loses effectiveness.

You

The filter doesn't lose effectiveness since it's entire job is to filter, but the chat itself loses effectiveness.

I wasn't aware that i was the one in control of riot's banning and player behavior, and to think i don't even work there. But in all seriousness, I'm not going to petition riot to stop the banning process since the bannable stuff is stuff that the community has overwhelmingly voted to punish people for in the past. And again riot isn't banning based on some moral imperative, but instead on "The community has shown a dislike for this behavior and so with enough consistent repeated offenses you'll get banned for exhibiting it." So if you don't wanna get banned consider being positive or dragging your chat off screen and unbinding enter, both ways that you can avoid getting banned without a permanently enabled chat filter.

In those separate posts, different points were being made, but go off i guess. Your first quoted post was about the benefit of an always on filter and my reply was based around that idea of benefit while after that the exact context of benefit was removed and i said that the filter being on is effective at it's job of filtering not of being beneficial to the chat. I agreed that for those with the filter on the permanently on filter doesn't change effectiveness, you really got me there. But for those with the filter off the change makes their chat less effective, due to the given reasons of feeling unable to express themselves etc., and so the whole idea isn't effective in your stated goal of increasing positive experiences for everyone.

{quoted} I wasn't aware that i was the one in control of riot's banning and player behavior, and to think i don't even work there.

Well, if you don't report people, you would have a point. Since you do report people, you don't have a point. Punishment can't happen without a report. You know very well that reporting someone may carry consequences.

But for those with the filter off the change makes their chat less effective, due to the given reasons of feeling unable to express themselves etc.,

That's the point of a chat filter. Working as intended.

and so the whole idea isn't effective in your stated goal of increasing positive experiences for everyone.

Odd, I don't remember "stating a goal". You should probably quote me, but then you can't lie as easily, so I see why you are in a conundrum.

Chat filter increases the RATIO of positive experiences by default.

Yes, but even if I don't report, the bans still happen. I'm not in every single game that gets a ban, or in every game where a punishment is handed out and yet, bans still happen. And I'm perfectly fine with those consequences, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. The difference in "I can't express myself in the way to which I am accustomed" with respect to cursing is vastly different than "I can't express myself in the way to which I am accustomed" with respect to being overly negative or belittiling, or throwing out slurs at people for displeasing you. There's a difference there. I'm perfectly fine with people being banned for the latter, but people don't get banned for just cursing.

The purpose of a chat filter is to filter chat that is unwanted by the reader, or deemed inappropriate for the greater community of the game. League of Legends has the idea that /everyone/ can filter their own chat to decide if they want to see this language or not. You can leave the filter on, or turn it off at your discretion. The purpose of a chat filter is not to stop someone from expressing themselves, but instead to filter out certain words or phrases, which the current filter can do, someone can turn it on and be immediately shielded from any profanity they may come across.

Okay, you got me, I didn't express myself perfectly clearly. Goal was not the correct word to use, stated idea would have been the better choice.

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Then cussing is not possibly a positive experience for you. Therefore, removing cussing will always be removing negative/neutral experience. Removing negative/neutral experience = higher ratio of positive experience.

You stated here, clearly that removing cursing lead to a positive experience. But for someone unable to express themselves, it's a negative experience. And as for a ratio argument, let's say there's 10 people, of those 10, 9 currently have the chat filter off and accept that cursing can have positive uses and use it for accentuation and because they feel like they get their points across easier with cursing, and 1 who has it on and uses words like "flippin'" awesome. Now, of those 10, 90% of them are negatively impacted by this proposed change to the chat filter, while 10% are neutral or positive. This leads to a net of 80% negative impact. Now, I'm no mathematician, but I am a math major, and I know that a 80% negative outcome is not in fact a net positive ratio of positive experiences.

I would also thank you to stop the ad homenim attacks on me, accusing me of lying is very rude.

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Yes, but even if I don't report, the bans still happen.

If you don't report, someone else MIGHT report. If you do report, there is ALWAYS a review. A review with the intention of punishing behavior. You don't get to claim innocence when your actions ALWAYS result in a reaction.

but people don't get banned for just cursing.

Then prove it. I want you to group into game and say the "N" word, hard "er". Say it 9 individual times spaced evenly among champion select, /all chat, and post-game chat. Type nothing more and nothing less. Afterwards, ensure your group reports you for hate speech and verbal abuse.

The purpose of a chat filter is to filter chat that is unwanted by the reader, or deemed inappropriate for the greater community of the game.

Who is profanity wanted by? Users of profanity.

Who is profanity unwanted by? Everyone else.

Everyone else > Users of profanity

You stated here, clearly that removing cursing lead to a positive experience. But for someone unable to express themselves, it's a negative experience.

Who isn't able to express themselves? You can type in profanity to your hearts content. Chat filter just spares the other people from you "expressing yourself". So you go "express yourself" and I'll "express myself" by muting you. We both win.

And as for a ratio argument,

Had to stop you there, since you argued on the false premise that chat filter is negative experience for profanity users. The use of profanity is unchanged. The influence of the words is reduced. Which is intended purpose of chat filter.

No offense intended with this next part. I'm just making college jokes.

Now, I'm no mathematician,

So, why did you start spouting random math at me?

but I am a math major,

Oh, AKA hasn't even graduated. School starts in a couple months, might not have even gone to a single class. -_-

I would also thank you to stop the ad homenim attacks on me, accusing me of lying is very rude.

Attempting to put words in my mouth is pretty rude too.

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Then prove it. I want you to group into game and say the "N" word, hard "er". Say it 9 individual times spaced evenly among champion select, /all chat, and post-game chat. Type nothing more and nothing less. Afterwards, ensure your group reports you for hate speech and verbal abuse.

See, this is where your argument falls apart, as I've already stated that cursing is not just hate speech, see you're falling into a classic misconception, most commonly called the square-rectangle. See, every square fits all the criteria for a rectangle, but not every rectangle fits the criteria for being a square. Just because I allow cursing and view it as a positive experience does not mean that I view spewing hate speech and bigotry as a positive experience.

Who is profanity wanted by? Users of profanity.

Who is profanity unwanted by? Everyone else.

You assume here that a majority of the people in the league community don't want to see profanity, but the votes on your original post seem to argue against my point. Since it's 11 down votes to 1 upvote. And unless you downvoted your own thread, then the only upvote is you, so it seems like literally the rest of the community that has voted on this post is against you, and wants to use profanity.

Everyone else > Users of profanity

Everyone else seems to be against the idea of a permanantly on chat filter, so that argument doesn't work any more.

Who isn't able to express themselves? You can type in profanity to your hearts content. Chat filter just spares the other people from you "expressing yourself". So you go "express yourself" and I'll "express myself" by muting you. We both win.

Had to stop you there, since you argued on the false premise that chat filter is negative experience for profanity users. The use of profanity is unchanged. The influence of the words is reduced. Which is intended purpose of chat filter.

Then prove that the chat filter being on permanantly with no option to turn off is a positive experience for people that use profanity, don't worry, I'll wait.

No offense intended with this next part. I'm just making college jokes.

So, why did you start spouting random math at me?

Oh, AKA hasn't even graduated. School starts in a couple months, might not have even gone to a single class. -_-

See, you say "no offense" but then go on to insult and belittle me, stuff that's actually bannable in league, unlike non-hate speech cursing. You don't know thing one about me, so I cordially invite you to go fuck yourself, no offense intended.

Attempting to put words in my mouth is pretty rude too.

I admitted I misquoted you and misspoke, and yet you didn't even apologize for calling me a liar. Interesting how I'm willing to own my mistakes isn't it?

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Sorry I can't talk to you anymore. You are too emotional for my tastes.