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Honor Progression apparently scales with game length like exp.

Volocaust·10/25/2018, 8:09:16 PM·7 votes·7,045 views

Sexdoll Orianna

Oct 25, 1:07 PM PDT

Chat started: 2018-10-25 08:00 PM UTC

(08:00:18 PM) Sexdoll Orianna: I got my account unbanned with the riot games program about 3 months ago. Since then I have been steadily climbing honor at what seems to like a fairly fast rate. I am now at honor 1 check point 1. I believe I will hit checkpoint 2 in the next week or so. My question is is it possible to bump my honor level up to 2. I believe I am reformed and would love to get the Ori skin(am eligible in two queues.) If not that is totally understandable, will go for the one next year. (08:01:07 PM) *** Yadon joined the chat *** (08:01:12 PM) Yadon: Hey there (08:01:19 PM) Sexdoll Orianna: Good afternoon :) (08:01:38 PM) Yadon: I'm glad to hear your honor progress has been flying by fast! (08:01:47 PM) Yadon: Sounds like you've been keeping up the positive behavior :D (08:02:02 PM) Sexdoll Orianna: yea! (08:02:12 PM) Yadon: Sadly, we can't expedite honor progress. (08:02:24 PM) Sexdoll Orianna: understandable, thanks! (08:02:41 PM) Yadon: But if you're just about honor level 1 checkpoint 2, you may be able to make it by the end of the season if you're averaging 12-15 games a day. (08:02:47 PM) Yadon: Which is obviously a ton! (08:03:08 PM) Yadon: I know it won't be easy. But if you get in a ton of games per day you may have a shot with 2 weeks left. (08:03:25 PM) Yadon: You'll be cutting it real close though, and there's no real guarantee (08:03:43 PM) Sexdoll Orianna: oof, I'll try, arams/bot count the same as rift? (08:04:20 PM) Yadon: The honor you get will scale with duration (08:04:30 PM) Yadon: So farming out short games won't actually help that much (08:04:40 PM) Yadon: You're fine to just play normals (08:04:58 PM) Sexdoll Orianna: ah. thanks for the info (08:05:03 PM) Sexdoll Orianna: have a good day :) (08:05:32 PM) Yadon: You too (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧

18 Comments

KVbqbFsC8e10/25/2018, 11:14:26 PM2 votes

Sounds believable, but I'd like to see an actual Rioter confirm that. This wouldn't be the first time I've seen support give out incorrect information.

Umbral Regent10/25/2018, 8:56:34 PM2 votes

That is interesting to note. I guess it makes sense, though - if people could just spam short gamemodes like ARAM or Twisted Treeline for cheap Honor, there wouldn't be much point to it.

Baby Ghoul10/25/2018, 11:06:16 PM2 votes

That's interesting. I've seen a lot of people recommend doing ARAM to speed up the honor process, but obviously that isn't as helpful.

Karunamon10/25/2018, 9:47:29 PM1 votes

Interesting info - I need to add this to the chart!

I've got a bit of a harebrained theory on how honor works now. At least, this is how I would set it up based on ease of programming. Tantram is either going to look at this and chuckle knowingly to himself, or wonder how I figured it out. Probably the first one :)

Take this for the ass-pull that it is.

Honor Theory

There are four variables in play for honor:

  • An overall honor score that underpins your honor level (hidden, like how there's an MMR number that underpins your league).
  • Your honor gained per game, which is a function of how many honors you get, and the all-honor bonus.
  • A factor which goes up or down based on game length
  • A factor which the gains are multiplied by that represents your punishment history.

Let's put some fake numbers to these to make this theory easier to talk about:

  • Honor score is divided into tiers of 1000. 0 to 1000 is honor level 1, 1001-2000 is honor level 2, and so forth.
  • Checkpoints are at every 250 points. 3250 is honor level 3, checkpoint 1, and so on.
  • Honor gains grow geometrically. 1 honor might be worth 10 points, 2 honors worth 20, 3 honors (which triggers the 'most honorable on team' graphic) worth 40, 4 honors worth 80. An extra 10 points is given if everybody in on your team honors someone.
  • Premade honors are worth zero.
  • The factor starts off at something like .5 (half awards) for a game that goes only 20 minutes, smoothly scaling up to 1.0 for average game length (around 30 minutes), and perhaps going up to 1.2 for extremely long games like 45 minutes.
  • No honor is gained if nobody picks you.

So. Pretend that you're a fresh account on honor level 2. You have an honor score of 2000. If you pull no reports, it will take you about 25 games of average length, getting honored on each one, to hit the first checkpoint. About 100 games, getting honored on each one, to level up.

This cap also explains a convenient way that honor gains are locked out if you hit zero - the "locked" represents the negative factor blocking your gains.

Valid reports apply a negative factor to your gains. You're still getting them, but you're getting them slower.

Punishments apply a large negative factor AND remove your honor points.

TL;DR:

Honor MAY equal:

(Honor from teammates) x (Length factor) x (Punishment factor) = Total game honor

  • Where honor from teammates is a whole number from 10 to 90
  • Length factor is a decimal between 0.5 and 1.2, increasing as the game progresses.
  • Punishment factor is an decimal between 1 and 0, decreasing as you recieve valid reports.

I think this is how it works because it mirrors systems that already exist in game, like damage scaling and MMR.

FOR JUSTICE10/25/2018, 10:11:00 PM1 votes

Make sure to hide that rioters name, dont want him to hear it since he just told us they arent allowed to talk about how it progresses but just told you it scales Zed

So technically a duo can potentially game it if they drag out a game, then get honored by the randos

IronFiveSupport10/26/2018, 8:34:25 AM1 votes

is there a TL;DR ?

mlm olo mlm10/25/2018, 8:12:51 PM1 votes

That is getting abused by pre-mades. Lul.

Danksley10/26/2018, 11:22:59 PM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sexdoll Orianna,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ZqmeEkZg,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-10-25T20:09:16.737+0000) 12-15 games a day.

Wow Riot's expectations for reasonable honor progress are absolutely insane. Just cut the checkpoint thresholds by 50-75% and timegate it on the back-end at 3-4 games a day.

QAEQAWAWARF10/25/2018, 8:53:18 PM1 votes

This is not the similar type of answer I got from support rep. Mine said, all honors value the same as long as you get them from non-premades.

BobaFlautist10/25/2018, 9:15:37 PM1 votes

Aram's still probably better because people honor more in Aram, especially if you play a support or a solid initiator.