People who ban your champ

its money time·Mar 17, 2018·5 votes·2,876 views

I'm sure you've all had this problem. I recently entered a game and selected my champ. All fine and dandy. Then during banning phase someone decides to ban my champ. I hate how people do this. I hate more that the game does not punish them for being such **holes. When someone does this I'M the one being punished. I have to dodge so that I can play the champ that I want. Meanwhile the person who does so is completely untouched. They get their retry at another game without any penalty. Then I got a wait timer for it. Now because of that one guy who decided he was going to exploit the system, I have to sit here for TWELVE FKIN MINUTES FOR SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE DID.

This is just worsened in ranked, where you lose lp for being queued up with these people. Riot has to do something about this. At least make it impossible to ban the champ someone has picked. What would really make me happy though, is if doing this would put everyone back into the queue, except that the person who tried to do so would be left with a heavy wait time. But that's just me. Hopefully Riot will do something about this in the near future. Tell me what you think below.

23 Comments

KVbqbFsC8eMar 17, 20187 votes

I don't view it as an issue. Players should be allowed to ban whatever champion they want.

RiseofMeMar 17, 20183 votes

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I don't view it as an issue. Players should be allowed to ban whatever champion they want.

I dont want to be toxic to you right away but ill just say that i feel like you a toxic player just by saying this or maybe you didnt understand what this post was about. If people are allowed to ban whatever champs they want then every champ select you enter, i wish someone on your team will ban your champ therefore you wont be able to play draft or ranked at least

Umbral RegentMar 17, 20183 votes

It's a bit of a bigger issue than what it looks like. Riot's views are that, any player should be able to ban any champion they don't want to see in a given match - whether it's on their team or the enemy's. Granted, the community practically universally agrees that it's scummy as hell for a player to ban someone's pick intent if their "victim" is first-pick, but it's kind of a necessary evil.

What if a Champion comes out suffering the Camille Effect, becomes contested pick/ban, and someone at the bottom of your team comp wants to play them, but the guy at the top can't secure them - and you don't want to risk letting the enemy team have that Champion?

There are a bunch of other cases to consider, but that one provides a really strong point. You should be able to ban whoever you want, regardless of if someone has them as their pick-intent. Most people generally express some courtesy about it.

RiseofMeMar 18, 20182 votes

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It's a bit of a bigger issue than what it looks like. Riot's views are that, any player should be able to ban any champion they don't want to see in a given match - whether it's on their team or the enemy's. Granted, the community practically universally agrees that it's scummy as hell for a player to ban someone's pick intent if their "victim" is first-pick, but it's kind of a necessary evil.

What if a Champion comes out suffering the Camille Effect, becomes contested pick/ban, and someone at the bottom of your team comp wants to play them, but the guy at the top can't secure them - and you don't want to risk letting the enemy team have that Champion?

There are a bunch of other cases to consider, but that one provides a really strong point. You should be able to ban whoever you want, regardless of if someone has them as their pick-intent. Most people generally express some courtesy about it.

so you wouldnt be mad if you're constantly in games where players ban your champ on purpose?

Umbral RegentMar 18, 20184 votes

I would get mad, certainly, but 1. I'm smart enough to have back-ups for that purpose, and 2. I know that that's the cost of something holistically worth the trouble.

its money timeMar 18, 20181 votes

"I'm smart enough to have back-ups for that purpose"

What if you're not playing seriously, and you just want to play this one particular champ?

Umbral RegentMar 18, 20182 votes

Well, if I want to play that particular Champion, I'll play them wherever possible, but if I'm not playing seriously, I'm not gonna be too hot and bothered by not getting them.

Because, again. Back-ups.

RiseofMeMar 18, 20182 votes

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I would get mad, certainly, but 1. I'm smart enough to have back-ups for that purpose, and 2. I know that that's the cost of something holistically worth the trouble.

well it sucks then for the 1 trick mains, especially when ppl know you and then they ban your champ on purpose

Umbral RegentMar 18, 20181 votes

That's sort of just the risk they run being one-trick ponies. I know it won't change people's minds or get them to broaden their play pool too awful much (if any), but, there's a saying that fits uncannily well here;

"Jack of all trades, master of none, but better than a master of one."

RiseofMeMar 18, 20181 votes

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That's sort of just the risk they run being one-trick ponies. I know it won't change people's minds or get them to broaden their play pool too awful much (if any), but, there's a saying that fits uncannily well here;

"Jack of all trades, master of none, but better than a master of one."

i like that saying, its also quite funny. Well i cant even find a main role let alone a main champ so i wont run into that problem, but im wondering if ill still be able to climb, im talking about a good amount, im silver and i want to be at least plat, if i get higher than that, great but if not than its fine. So i guess its not a problem if someone bans your champ but its gonna ruin your playtime since you want to play that champ. Even i though i have a medium to large champ pool i still get a bit upset when someone bans my champ just cuz they think i will feed or they dont want to run a risk of the enemy team beating me to picking that champ first. Especially if that person will end up facing that champ, which does happen quite often to me, for example : yasuo. I hate facing him but i would want to learn how to face him, i still ban him a lot but when someone picks him, i wont ban yasuo and ill just hope my teammate picks yasuo first.

its money timeMar 18, 20181 votes

What if a Champion comes out suffering the Camille Effect, becomes contested pick/ban, and someone at the bottom of your team comp wants to play them, but the guy at the top can't secure them - and you don't want to risk letting the enemy team have that Champion?

Deal with it. If you don't like playing against a particular champ then just don't play. I can see that you don't like playing against an overpowered champ but why do you have the right to take away that privilege from another player?

If you want to play but don't like that champ in your game there are a couple options. You could pick that champ for your bottom player and switch. Or, you know... you could be the one to dodge instead of forcing another to do so.

Umbral RegentMar 18, 20182 votes

If the guy on my team who wants to play the Champion is on last pick, and the guy in first pick doesn't own them, then - no, I'm not really going to deal with it. Last pick's just gonna have to bite the bullet. Even if I own the Champion in question - I'm not first pick, and I'm not inclined to wait for two of the enemy players to have an opportunity to seize the Champion for their team.

The better question should be - why should one player get to jeopardize a match for the rest of their team because they want to play that one Champion? If it was possible for you to block Champion bans by selecting them as pick intent, that would lead to a whole level of sabotage where players who - knowing they won't be getting the Champion, will just hover them in Champ Select to make sure nobody can ban them.

And then next thing you know, you have a Champion who's too strong at release cleaving through your team like it's nobody's business. Thanks, last pick.

And out of your provided options - secure the pick for a teammate and dodge - what if I don't own the Champion, or just straight-up don't want to see the Champion in the match, period? What if I want to play League of Legends and not League of Senseless Queue Times?

I'm not gonna just not play because I don't want to play against a particular Champion. That you suggest that is friggin' absurd, everyone has that one Champion they hate. I hate Karma. Most people hate Yasuo. Find me one person who likes Teemo.

Does that mean nobody in the world should play League, because they don't like playing against any particular Champion?

Imperial PandaaMar 18, 20181 votes

All hail our lord and savior Teemo . Little Devil shall lead us to something... I don't know religious things.

o brigid oMar 18, 20185 votes

Your desire to play one specific champ isn't more important than my right to ban any champ I want. Every player gets to ban any one champ.

If you're really that worried about the motives behind another player's ban... just stop hovering your pick. Then you'll realize other players just don't want that champion in the game, and it's not because of some toxic or troll reason to piss you off.

Also if it's going to completely ruin your experience if you don't get to play one very specific champion... you might not be in the right mood or mindset for league. It's probably best if you take a break and come back when you're in a better state. The great thing about league is that there are dozens upon dozens of champions (140 now), so if the ONE champion you had in mind gets banned or picked before you... there are plenty of other good options to choose from.

Also, from a strategic standpoint.. especially in ranked, it's worth taking into account enemy picks and team comps before you truly decide what champion you're going to play. Being so dead set on ONE champion before you even get into queue and being so inflexible about changing what you're going to play that you feel the need to dodge is pretty extreme.

If players banning the champion they want to ban is really that much of a problem for you, there is also blind pick available to you where no one gets to ban anything.

its money timeMar 18, 20181 votes

Then you'll realize other players just don't want that champion in the game

Why can another player's wishes completely override mine? I'm not inting or feeding.

so if the ONE champion you had in mind gets banned or picked before you... there are plenty of other good options to choose from.

It's not about someone picking it before me. It's about someone on my team banning a champ that I love. "good" options do not equate to fun options, or options that I want to play.

EL HAMSTEROMar 18, 20181 votes

dont show your intended pick. problem solved

EndlessSorcererMar 18, 20181 votes

Why can another player's wishes completely override mine?

Why should your wishes completely override those of another player?

It's the exact same situation.

One player wants to play as a champion and one player doesn't want that champion in the game. Someone is going to leave unhappy and Riot decided that bans have priority over picks.

RiseofMeMar 17, 20182 votes

ik its sucks when players do this but sometimes its an honest mistake, if it is then just move on and dont troll but if it wasnt, then just leave. I'd rather lose lp than waste my time playing with a troll knowing before the game started that he was a troll and then complain. Its annoying but at least you wont be at total loss, ive left promo games cuz of trollers, it sucks but i dont regret it all. Ive actually gotten a 14 day suspension before cuz of a troller that took tp and smite mf supp. Im pretty sure he got reported cuz everyone on the team reported him but i couldve left during champ select and next time i will if i see these types of players.

TempName74814Mar 18, 20182 votes

i pick nunu. role doesn't matter, just nunu

FlyingRoboticCowMar 18, 20182 votes

Riot has said it a couple of times- it's their ban to do whatever they want with including banning a champion that a teammate is hovering.

AF EagleSep 6, 20182 votes

Having a system similar to thedoge system would be perfect if they banned a teammates champ once they get a 5 min timer if they ban a team members champ again within a certain amount of games the timer will be extended. This way if the person really did ban the champ by mistake, they will only have a small time out, but if someone keeps doing it to be toxic, or if they have a grudge against someone, then they will be penalised with higher timers.

RawcarbogrinMar 17, 20181 votes

4: Let us dodge the games 3 times/day (with a 3min que suspension)

I also hate that kind of lacking sociality players. But Riot would do nothing about this since this stagnation is a part of their tier design IMHO.

Furthermore as being said, "Players should be allowed to ban whatever champion they want.". You cannot deny this fundamental ethic.

To tell the truth, I sometimes ban my teammate's champ when I don't want to play with those new champions like Kai=sa on our side (knowing it would not change the future at all).