Behavior system is a failure.

Worst Sejuani··13 votes·1,531 views

why have a system that goes off reports when if you have a bad game and u dont say anything to people they report you for everything they can and the system picks up on that and makes it's mind up that you have not reformed. Also the people reporting i think have no punishment for falsely reporting someone its a system that has to be redo IMO.

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Powderkegg6 votes

The system doesn't punish you for things you didn't do regardless of how many reports you have. Furthermore if you do report people falsely the system starts to weigh your report less and less.

Worst Sejuani2 votes

But, i'm sure the automated system picks up on thhe reports and counters you anyways no matter what look this great example from another person

[{quoted}](name=Mal the Red,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Vfras6d9,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-03-20T22:11:57.082+0000)

A peer driven report system is inherently flawed.

At least with the old Tribunal we had a website where neutral parties can clearly look into negative impacts on games.

Say someone solo queues and gets matched with a group of 3 or 4. The Solo queue player is expected to do the bidding of the majority or face reports.

"You know, you may have called top. But the 4 of us are together, so you better let me top and go support unless you want all 4 of us reporting you."

This is NOT an exaggeration, this actually happened to me.

SmokedAlmonds5 votes

That is false.

The only thing reports do is trigger reviews of your behavior. If that review doesn't find anything, nothing will come from it, no matter how many times you were reported.

Yes, those situations exist where a group of 4 reports you for not listening to them, but that doesn't matter. "Not bending to a premade's demands" isn't a valid report and is going to be thrown out.

The automation is not just counting reports and handing out punishments if you get reported enough times.

Powderkegg3 votes

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But, i'm sure the automated system picks up on thhe reports and counters you anyways no matter what look this great example from another person

No, this actually doesn't matter. If 4 people repeatedly report you for idk verbal harassment and your chat logs don't have any harassment at all, the system won't punish you and if they do you can appeal it to Riot and they will overturn it.

Worst Sejuani1 votes

As im not get my rewards for hextech and cant talk anyways because it will take 3 days for riot to look at it

Mal the Red4 votes

A peer driven report system is inherently flawed.

At least with the old Tribunal we had a website where neutral parties can clearly look into negative impacts on games.

Say someone solo queues and gets matched with a group of 3 or 4. The Solo queue player is expected to do the bidding of the majority or face reports.

"You know, you may have called top. But the 4 of us are together, so you better let me top and go support unless you want all 4 of us reporting you."

This is NOT an exaggeration, this actually happened to me.

Troll for Trump2 votes

You do get punished from false reports. If you want Hextech, and want to "Reform", you have to not be reported over some time period. False reports make this difficult.

Grashnim3 votes

I only report people for poor performance. I have to put up with that. Reporting people for what they say, shit, I got an "ignore" command.

SirOrange9215 votes

Poor performance isn't a reportable offense. That is a type of 'false report' as stated in the original post.

Grashnim1 votes

It USED to be a report option. Riot just removed it because, like most reports, they give no fucks.

As such, it's again, the ONLY thing I have to deal with in the game. Anything else I can ignore. Okay, maybe not ping spam, but whatever.

DArkStryke1 votes

That's the joke. People who troll in gameplay are excused due to "poor performance" and the people they bait into harsh language get banned. The system is being co-opted by trolls and the real laugh is that Player Behavior needs to support the farce to justify their paychecks. GG.

Sythriel Draken1 votes

I agree that the system does not work. Even tho the system supposedly kicks back false reports, with the new hextech system even if you're reported and warned it shuts you out of the system completely, according to what a few people I've talked to have said.

In fact, with the new hextech system and the crappy system, toxicity is only increasing. I've been in games and seen games where the opposing team was super toxic, spamming mastery emotes, etc. and continued to talk shit after the game, but why do they care? They got their reward already.

Meanwhile riot does not have a system in place to check to see if someone's "reformed" or not, which is tied into the crappy behavioral system. The system triggers your account on a false report, therefor makes it even longer for you to start earning rewards.

I think the behavioral system should punish those that continue to false report, and that the system should have something in place that not only reads the messages when you do the report, but also look back in the game to see that someone spammed laugh 50 times in the span of 5 minutes, or spammed their mastery emote in lane after killing their opponent (mastery teabagging so to speak). But, I don't have hopes for even a rioter to even look at this..

SirOrange9211 votes

I actually feel like sometimes enough isn't done. In a ranked game I had a bot lane duo ban me and my top laner's declared champions. They then proceeded to pick Blitz and Thresh. They actually won lane, hard. I was 6/0 Sated Xin and the game could have been easily won. They then went into the enemy base (while their inhib turrets were still up) and feed. They told us to enjoy the loss. Why weren't there accounts permanently banned?

Worst Sejuani1 votes

I like these comments all of them, what I can see so far is that you all dont like it as well nice to hear that im not the only one.

Void Nargacuga3 votes

I like it because it actually works. So I would consider it a success. It gets rid of the toxic players. What people don't get is how it actually functions. That is where the major problem comes in. You can find a lot of information from this post which lists all the sources for the information. Multiple reports and other misconceptions

Mama Soraka1 votes

I came in here to shill my thread, thanks for doing it for me, bruv.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

No problem. It just worked out that I remembered seeing it and thought to mention it.

The system does work its just people need to know HOW it works. Making false assumptions doesn't help either. I've been playing for a year now and I wouldn't be surprised if some players HAVE reported me but those just got tossed out since I always play to the best of my abilities in each game, and I'm not a jerk in chat either. Sometimes you get your ass camped in lane, sometimes you get so fed its stupid. Strange things happen in every match. Just go with it and try your best, its worked for me so far. Trying out jungling right now and my go to jungler is Sejuani and I'm LOVING playing her in the jungle! I've tried playing Amumu jungle but I ended up failing... Yes I FAILED at jungling as Amumu... [slayer-jinx-unamused]

x X Andy X x1 votes

For me the tribunal, at the very least, provided a degree of confirmation and comfort that those players who troll/rage-quit/harass etc were being dealt with. With the current reporting system in place, I feel (if only superficially) powerless! Not specifically because of my inability to punish them, but because I don't see/feel any assurance that my concerns are being addressed. Anyway, I would like to see a resurgence of a peer review system. If only to know that these toxic players are being punished. Anyway, that's my vent.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

Look around this section of the boards, you can still see the system in action.

x X Andy X x1 votes

I'm not sure what you mean. And anyway, I shouldn't have to rifle through the LoL boards for any indication that the curent system is effective. That should be obvious in-game. As long as the experience consistently remains poor, I have to assume that the system is not working or at least seriously flawed.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

I mean there are tons of threads posted here by people who are banned, many including the chat logs to show why they got banned. He said he liked that from the tribunal and you can get that here.

I donno about global stats on toxicity but I have played since the end of season 1 and have seen my experience only improve. If you have constantly poor experiences in game maybe you should examine your role in them.

x X Andy X x1 votes

I'm not sure if you're calling me out? But that's beside the point. I feel as though we should be able to see substantive evidence that these "behavioral moderation" concerns are being addressed. It's one thing entirely to have to leave the client, visit the boards, and search for all the whiny "I was unjustly banned" sob stories that are supposedly evidence that the system is working? I shouldn't have to peruse the boards to realize "oh, I suppose people are being punished". It should be evident as the in-game experience improves. I do see what you're saying though, insofar as people do post regularly on being punished. We're on the same page I think? We just have different perspectives on the means by which these 'successful' feedback reports are communicated to the player base. But yeah, i see your point.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

I'm not trying to call anyone out. But people have a huge impact on the experience they get. You aren't just a spectator. If you go into a game being positive you are more likely to have a positive experience and get positive feedback from others in the game. If you go into a game with a negative attitude you are more likely to have a negative experience and have people respond with more negativity to you.

x X Andy X x1 votes

I absolutely agree :]

x X Andy X x1 votes

TL:DR I think it's a complicated problem, one that Riot has been trying to fix for several years (the Tribunal, Honor Initiative etc.) Having not ever been punished or had any actions taken against me by Riot, I would like to see a reformation of the current reporting system, one that is more inclusive and upfront with players about the process, what to expect from players being reported, and what steps are being taken to improve the experience.

Metalhead71 votes

The answer to this is simple, the high elo players Gold and Beyond they like feel that they have absolute authority to banned bad players for bad gameplay,Bronzes are paying the prize, Riotlite is not seeing this or he dose not care.

Call it a Blasphemy but i have been unranked for 4 years now all due to the fact that i don't want to show my Bronze Banner, Showing a Bronze banner in your profile for the high elo its insulting and they will become your enemies,and if you go to even a friendly normal match and you lose and feed even if you where doing your best they will do anything to get the person Permanent banned, Even if this is not true as many say Go and read some cases of people, Cause i feel the Tribunal is no longer controlled by Riot but by this jerks who think they know or want people who play the game right.

Sadly the community is toxic and there players like myself who are still learning and they don't see that, i have been making unwanted enemies for the past years, its true i have even rage sometimes but i always go there with a positive attitude each time i go to normal games only to people to bring you down cause of bad gameplay.

I deeply apologize if this is a exaggeration But im being honest here this is what i have seen, how i have been treated for 4 years, and how i think the community truly is.

Sportsmanship? Teamwork Op? Riot that is dead is either play right or GTFO rule now :(

Worst Sejuani1 votes

Thanks for the support on my opinion and thanks for the other feedback as well.

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