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Riot, what happened to the amount of reports, doesnt affect anything?

TheBloodLordVlad··1 votes·2,337 views

In my last game, i was report " 5 times in the past 20 games " And i only have, ONE GAME where i was so called "toxic" where in my opinion the worst thing i said was this. Thresh just called me and panth a noob for saving our inhibitor turret, i was 2/5, the turret staying up is more important than me living, so i go in, press r, e,w kill all the minions and push them back, panth ulted in as well, we both died, but our inhibitor turret was still standing. After thresh called me a noob, i said this. "Thresh i literally havent seen you hit a hook all game lmao" When in reality, i literally have not seen him hit a hook, its not like i said, thresh your so garbage you havent hit a hook your horrible, i didnt say anything demeaning to him, he called me a noob, i replied with, i mean, i havent seen you hit a hook yet.. And then the entire game, my entire team is flaming me, calling me bad, greifing, inting, i tp into a fight, kill 3 people, win us the game, what do they have to say in post game? that i dragged the game out and made us almost lose and im garbage and ladidadida, so i reply with, i did more damage than panth you and almost hec, sivir did the most damage on our team. but because i wanted to get objectives rather than aram it 5v5 down mid everytime were alive, i was greifing and toxic. I swear on my life the worst thing i said was "thresh i havent seen you hit a hook all game" And this is 2 week ban worthy? I want to know anyones reason behind arguing that it is in the comments, i want to hear all different sides to this, how is it 2 week ban worthy?

19 Comments

Zlera4 votes

Logs or didnt happen.

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

Post logs please. Have you had previous punishments?

TheBloodLordVlad1 votes

sorry was having trouble figuring out how to get them on, ended up just uploading them to prntscreen

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Thank you, have you had previous punishments on this account or is this a amurf account?

I realize asking if it is a smurf account may seem redundant, but knowing helps.

TheBloodLordVlad1 votes

I have had, 10 permaed accounts, but none of them have been banned for something as stupid as this, id say around 3-4 of them have been banned for stupid reasons like bantering in all chat, arguing, etc, but this is the stupidest thing ive ever been punished for.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Okay, so this is a smurf. Please answer the other question before I share what I believe happened.

Has this particular account had any previous punishments?

TheBloodLordVlad1 votes

yes of course, I said, I got 25 game chat restricted for saying "qiyanas a pussy" and "baited idiot"

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Guess I missed that somewhere, apologies.

That makes the question less "Is this 14 day ban worthy?" And more "Is this punishment worthy?". As you have had a previous 25 game chat restrict, the nect punishment step is a 14 day ban.

Now, could your logs been a lot worse? Yes, they could have. The ones provided would contribute to a punishment though. Just so happens that it tipped you over the edge.

TheBloodLordVlad1 votes

Im not sure you understand how the punishment system works, Usually, it takes 3 games just to get a chat restriction, to get a 2 week ban in just 1 game, you need to be very, very toxic, from the chat logs does it seem like i was really all that toxic? Like sure i was toxic im not gonna argue that, im just like that when people are sitting there calling me a noob and calling me bad and saying im greifing, but i was honestly just trying to have fun in the game and these people were ruining it for me, so i was like alright, like im just going to report you so stop typing and they didnt. I didnt get any other explanation on a 2 week ban, other than this one game, do you really think i was toxic enough to skip the other 2 games that should have been needed to get this kind of punishment?

Umbral Regent3 votes

Usually, it takes 3 games just to get a chat restriction...

The IFS will try to find three matches in your recent history that showcase negative behaviors, but that doesn't mean it will always find three. Having two-match chat logs and even one-match chat logs isn't unusual.

...to get a 2 week ban in just 1 game, you need to be very, very toxic...

Just because only one match was shown in your reform card doesn't mean that you were punished for that match alone. You could still very well have consistently poor behavior, just that your last instance of poor behavior could have been outside the "recent" threshold that the IFS checks for matches to put in the reform card.

...from the chat logs does it seem like i was really all that toxic? Like sure i was toxic im not gonna argue that...

You just answered your own question.

And, yes, you were fairly toxic; berating and harassing your teammates, getting into detrimental arguments, and openly declaring that you're wanting to give up because of your team - even going so far as to threaten AFK'ing/intentionally feeding.

Frankly, after a 25-game CR, I'd say that such misbehavior would merit a punishment on its own, so I could probably believe this being a punishment off one game. You're supposed to be reforming, and those logs showed the opposite from you.

...but i was honestly just trying to have fun in the game and these people were ruining it for me, so i was like alright, like im just going to report you so stop typing and they didnt.

If people are being toxic to you, mute them, do not say anything to them. Do not give them the time of day, and definitely don't threaten to report them. If you're going to report them, just do it. There's no reason to try and leverage it over their heads as an explicit threat.

...do you really think i was toxic enough to skip the other 2 games that should have been needed to get this kind of punishment?

As mentioned above, it is not an explicit rule that the IFS has to bring up 3 games worth of chat logs for your reform card. It looks for 1-3 matches in your recent history showcasing misbehavior, and it doesn't wait until there's 3 to punish you.

If it can only find one, it will bring up one. If it can find three or more, it will bring up three.

And also as explained above; yes, this behavior would very likely be worth a punishment on its own, considering that it followed a 25-game CR. You're going to want to learn to mute and avoid responding to flamers and start reforming in earnest, because after this 14-day suspension ends, any further misbehavior will result in a permanent suspension.

TheBloodLordVlad1 votes

Then explain to me when people are sitting there calling me dog shit and horrible, and then i report them, and never, ever get a little pop up that says they were punished? your making up storys that are so bull shit its laughable, stop trying to protect this ai system that riot has setup. It goes off keywords. So if you quote what someone said, you have a chance of being punished, you can say "Fuck this" And you have a chance, of being punished. Who in their right mind would argue that that is the most bull crap thing they have ever heard. I know people who have been permanently banned, for saying "fuck this" I could go ask them for the logs, but are you seriously going to argue on it? If you are, you obviously do not have more than 1 or 2 accounts banned, i have 10 accounts banned, i know the system, and what i said in this game, does not warrent a punishment.

Umbral Regent1 votes

Responding to an earlier comment in the string for the sake of space:


Then explain to me when people are sitting there calling me dog shit and horrible, and then i report them, and never, ever get a little pop up that says they were punished?

The IFS is generally inconsistent with the Instant Feedback Report; the only thing we really know is that you only get the Instant Feedback Report if your report triggered the review that resulted in the player's punishment.

It's probable that while your reports are pushing those players closer towards a punishment, their behavior has not been consistent/excessive enough for your report to result in the punishment, hence you not getting the Instant Feedback Report.

...your making up storys that are so bull shit its laughable...

Explain to me, exactly, what I'm making up here?

It goes off keywords.

No, it doesn't. It may go off of keywords for zero-tolerance chat (since that is practically limited to singular words by nature), but by and large, the IFS actually reads your logs and uses context clues to understand what you're saying and determine whether or not you're being negative and inflammatory.

So if you quote what someone said, you have a chance of being punished...

There is little reason to quote someone to begin with, and, yes, it shouldn't come as a surprise that quoting rule-breaking content does not diminish the rule-breaking nature of said content.

I know people who have been permanently banned, for saying "fuck this" I could go ask them for the logs, but are you seriously going to argue on it? If you are, you obviously do not have more than 1 or 2 accounts banned...

You can bring up those people who've been "banned for saying 'fuck this'", and I'm halfway certain I'd find more in their logs that validate their punishment beyond it.

Beyond that; I don't have any accounts banned. I haven't even suffered a mainline punishment. However, I fail to see how my account's punishment history factors in anywhere here.

...i have 10 accounts banned, i know the system...

Being punished a lot does not confer greater knowledge of how the system works.

...and what i said in this game, does not warrent a punishment.

That is not for you to decide; the IFS, which operates off of Riot's rules and their code of conduct, very clearly says otherwise. I even gave you a peer review;

And, yes, you were fairly toxic; berating and harassing your teammates, getting into detrimental arguments, and openly declaring that you're wanting to give up because of your team - even going so far as to threaten AFK'ing/intentionally feeding.

Frankly, after a 25-game CR, I'd say that such misbehavior would merit a punishment on its own, so I could probably believe this being a punishment off one game. You're supposed to be reforming, and those logs showed the opposite from you.

I read your chat logs, and whether you like it or not, your behavior did warrant a punishment.

Zlera3 votes

100% Ban worthy. "Worst thing I said was 'i havent seen you hit hooks'". Saying "I will report you" is toxic. Saying "im reporting you" is toxic "please report" is toxic.

TheBloodLordVlad1 votes

so me saying im going to report someone deems a 2 week ban worthy? are you okay?

TheBloodLordVlad1 votes

I like how someone down voted but doesnt have a reason to do so and doesnt comment on the post. Nice. Glad you guys have no reasoning to not agree with me but have no reasoning to disagree with me.

GatekeeperTDS5 votes

You are being condescending and argumentative with everyone who replies to you, and after 10 permabanned accounts you're telling people here that they don't know how the punishment system works and snidely asking "are you ok."

You leak negativity in whatever you type and all of your punishments are 100% deserved.

TheBloodLordVlad1 votes

http://prntscr.com/oyxtz5 http://prntscr.com/oyxu3b http://prntscr.com/oyxucy here are the logs, if this is 2 week ban worthy, then this companys game is definitly dying if they have to ban people who say this stuff so they go play in low level and reduce queue times.

Arcade Lulu1 votes

The amount of reports doesn't matter at all No matter how many reports you get, the game will be flagged for review You've had a 25 game chat restriction, so the next step is a 14 day ban So yes, it is 14 day ban worthy, because that's the next step And the next step from that will be a perma ban

Maybe you should look at yourself for a while, 'cause 10 perma banned accounts is kinda a lot

TheBloodLordVlad1 votes

10 permaed accounts, is nothing LOL i know over 30 people who have 20+ a lot of my guild mates in classic wow have over 30 accounts banned, and just keep end up buying more. Riot trys to perma ban people to stop toxicity, but instead it just inflates the market of buying smurf accounts and they wonder why so many people are buying accounts.

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