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Why, riot should bring back tribunal.

TheBloodLordVlad·8/31/2019, 9:23:02 AM·4 votes·2,777 views

I havent been playing since season 1, but, I did happen to play with the tribunal system for a whole year and, lets be honest, ask hashinshin, ask shaclone, ask UberDanger, ask dunkey. I gaurantee you any single one of those people would have thousands and thousands of reasons why its better, im going to point out something, that i have experienced first hand, and encourage you to experience first hand, hell, i even encourage the devs to do this. Make a new account, level it, dont turn off all chat, dont mute people. And tell me, that tribunal wasnt better compared to this. Tribunal basically never handed out perma bans, Shaclone has said at one point he got 5000 chat restriction games, which i would prefer over a peramban, because the only thing that will stop me from being toxic, is chat restrictions, I cant just not reply to someone who calls me a dog and tells me im so horrible and tells me to end myself or something, like you expect me to not reply to someone like that and just, "mute them" Yes let me get on my knees and let them feel they have the power to make me a pussy and let them think they have the power to force people to think of him as better than them, and you guys say, well oh he'll get banned! Well, Its a FREE TO PLAY GAME, it takes, 21 hours with win xp boosts and day xp boosts, to get to level 30, and they will be right back being toxic, That or they just spend 13$ on a new level 30 account that thousands, 10s of thousands even, people are selling online! and your going to tell me that perma banning people is going to make them not toxic? all its going to do, is make me, never spend rp on your company again, and make me even more angry with the game itself, my mental is so horrible, because if im toxic, for 15 games, out of over, 3000. And no i am not kidding, i was toxic on 3 different accounts 15 games, which is 1.5% Of games where i was toxic, and got 3 permanently banned accounts. For tilting and losing my mind on people in a VIDEO GAME 1.5% of the time. Id say i have 10 accounts permanently banned, over around 2000+ hours. And this is supposed to make the game less toxic? Hey your toxic in a tiny amount of games, level a new account, think of what youve done! well, if im leveling a new account, if its not level 30, and ive spent no money on it, why would i care about it? Tribunal made people less toxic, because chat restrictions ACTUALLY HELP, when im chat restricted i find that im 100000x less toxic, i cant type that much, so im forced to focus on the game and only use my chats on crucial information. Stop handing out perma bans for people who are toxic in a very small amount of games, your game is unbalanced, your game is the most tilting thing in the world. Of course people are going to be toxic, riot your balance teams mentality is "If the games balanced it wont be fun" What the fuck is fun about fiora being one of the strongest top laners getting a 40% attack speed buff!??!?! I would actually enjoy the game, if the better player would win, i understand how theirs matchups and things, but stop making champions where there is literally no out play potential against them, Garen, if you rework him the way you are planning too, Building certain items hard counters him, which is a good step in the right direction! but, for low elo, hes going to be broken as hell, and i think you guys really need to find a median. Please, bring back tribunal, stop perma banning people. The results of perma banning shows in low level games. You wonder why your games dying? People who just start playing the game are being told to uninstall and end themselves because of these perma banned people. That, is what perma banning does.

49 Comments

Jamaree8/31/2019, 9:29:31 AM11 votes

On paper, it is indeed the best. It is your fellow peers, not a machine, not a Rioter, no one above you, your fellow players deciding whether or not they want someone like you playing. HOWEVER, as we clearly saw with the massive backlog, when given the chance, this community doesn't actually care about cleaning itself, it just cares about not having it effect them.

Kei1438/31/2019, 7:08:57 PM3 votes

tw&ldr

If you've been punished and thinking the tribunal won't punish you, you are dead wrong. Players still don't tolerate consistent toxicity of many games.

If you think others don't get punished because you aren't seeing punishment notifications, you are dead wrong. You only get a punishment notification if the game your reported someone was the game that got them punished, not when they are filling up their toxicity meter.

If you think the trolls are running rampant and bringing back the tribunal would solve it, You are dead wrong. The tribunal never tackled gameplay problems.

Jennifer4208/31/2019, 4:34:01 PM2 votes

they should just bring it back "for fun and insight."

as a new player i used it to learn what the community sees as ok/not ok. the insight was nice to have.

and sometimes chatlogs were really funny... one of the funniest things i read was a warwick saying "thresh why you never throw lantern to me?" and thresh answering: go fetch it like the dog you are

GayrensTari8/31/2019, 7:25:28 PM1 votes

I agree this game is extremely toxic. They can hardly accept different reasonable opinions. They ban me for expressing my deep thoughts over the lores. I'm taric main and taric main and I was forced to quit this game because of the toxic and bais community. Noticed that taric main is already very rare these days. People want to froze this champion somehow.

tbh i am bad lol9/1/2019, 2:51:12 AM1 votes

Hmm. This does work for Town of Salem, the good web game. It have a good community where they help in cleaning and handing in reports. The users in Town of Salem for reports had to be very trustworthy. I am not sure if this could work for a large community like this one. So far, I do believe that a current ban system is working as intended most of times. Just play like as if you are playing with your family or friends in front of audience(RIOT or others).

DBS Ronovon9/1/2019, 2:52:20 AM1 votes

No. We don't need people like PowerScope banning me from League too, I already get banned on here for saying regular things and they get taken out of context.

Modl Ryden l9/1/2019, 5:24:00 AM1 votes

I would suspect it wouldn't take long for the Tribunal to come to a point where a feeding roaming Teemo strategy was acceptable and therefore have them pass off as 'not guilty' or the equivalent.

Point being, if you keep players in charge of moderating themselves, it's almost certain that it can come to a point what used to be seen as toxic or negative can later be turned over to something acceptable, and therefore allow offenders to walk out of the judgement process unscathed. At the same time, small time offenders or blatant rage reports to a legitimate and non offending player could be punished without a way to plea innocent.

And most of the time I'd reckon reports are made because of rage. So there'd be an entire backlog for what I'd argue would be the millions of players that get reported daily. I would like to think it worked back then when LoL was a very small game in preseason 1.

Frankly, with the way the boards are and how rarely level-headed players come visit and actually engage in discussion here, I wouldn't want my account set on stage for a Tribunal for the time I DC'd because of something as arbitrary as a thunderstorm.

KFCeytron9/1/2019, 5:30:56 AM1 votes

Many years ago, LoL's behavior system used something called the Tribunal, comprising player volunteers who logged into a system that showed them chat logs from reported players. Those volunteers would then vote on whether to punish or pardon the reported player's case. This system's main flaw was that it simply took far too long due to LoL's huge playerbase. Participants would often be reviewing chat logs that were several months old, with a growing backlog. In addition to that, not every participant took the task seriously: some would spam the same verdict for every case without even reading the chat log, or even invert their verdicts on purpose.

The current system, called the Instant Feedback System, or IFS, is automated software that uses machine learning to determine what behavior should be punishable and when a player's behavior should be punished. It started with data from the Tribunal, and has been learning and adapting for years. It operates on the same basic principles as a spam filter: get a corpus of data (emails/chat logs), have humans categorize each item as acceptable or unacceptable, find patterns within each category, and then finally look for those patterns to automatically categorize new items without direct human evaluation. Each report is like clicking the "spam" button. When a new pattern starts to get lots of reports, the IFS recognizes it as a new form of toxicity.

The IFS is efficient and unbiased. The Tribunal was not.

Riot's punishment system used to hand out stacking chat restrictions, such that consistently toxic players basically had a permanent chat restriction. Unfortunately, it turns out that such players used their few chat opportunities to be toxic, and, when they couldn't be as toxic as they wanted to, they resorted to committing non-chat offenses such as griefing (following someone around and taking their farm, using wall abilities to interfere with their play, etc.) or inting. The purpose of the punishment system is to eliminate rule-breaking, not make it worse. Thus, if a couple chat restrictions don't make any difference in a player's misbehavior, the system ramps up the punishments until the player is permabanned and thus unable to use that account to break any more rules ever again.

The ability to play on a new account doesn't negate the benefits of permabanning toxic players. If every single one of them did that, then it would at least be a minor punishment, taking away their unlocked skins, icons, champs, and so on. Any who don't do that are removed from the game and the problem is solved in at least those instances. Quite frankly, Riot and 99.994% of the playerbase (people without permabans, according to Riot's figures on this, which I see no reason to doubt) don't give one whit for how permabanned players feel about being ejected from the game for consistently appalling behavior. Most permabanned players stop playing the game. It's extremely rare for a permabanned player to be so oblivious and/or unbalanced that they accumulate multiple permabans on a series of accounts. Riot does not have the wherewithal to prevent that except when a highly-visible player (such as a popular streamer) engages in this behavior, in which case they may issue an ID ban (Riot employees manually ban any account that such a player is seen to use).

You are certainly allowed to defend yourself from toxic chat, which is accomplished by muting. This is a 100% effective method. Flaming back is a 0% effective method that also constitutes unacceptable behavior and thus opens you up to reports and punishments. Read about this in more detail here.

For tilting and losing my mind on people in a VIDEO GAME 1.5% of the time.

You think people should be okay with letting you be toxic and harass them just because you're doing it over a video game? By the same token, why are you tilting and losing your mind on people in a VIDEO GAME? Why should people have to deal with a player like you when they're trying to enjoy a VIDEO GAME? Why are you making such a big deal out of being banned from a VIDEO GAME?

Having ten permabanned accounts is not normal, even for people with permabanned accounts. Most get the hint and just leave.

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G0blinSlay3r8/31/2019, 9:47:46 AM1 votes

Tribunal was hacked by bot accounts.

SnyperWulff8/31/2019, 11:51:39 AM1 votes

Wasn't the tribunal shut down due to members of it abusing the system? I may be wrong and correct me if I am. But I'm fairly certain I reas somewhere that at one point, tribunal members were given rp points or something, and they began to just give out punishments willy nilly. Again, I could be wrong, but I do at least believe it boiled down to abusing the power and privilege.