AND AFTER 10 YEARS RIOT BELIEVES HIM TO BE REFORMED !!

KingKazoo·Jun 16, 2018·1 votes·1,786 views

So yeah did the whole banned thing that feeders/inters and trolls will never get ever in their LoL life. And now i'm curious as to how long it takes to get back to being square. If i'm using the mute all when i get that twitch to say something to the 0-5 bot lane at 7 min into the game i can mute but the truth is, it doesn't help. I have i benchmark 1 of 3 in honor 0 after i'd say 100+ games. So how do i know that its even working ? How do i know there is progress being made ? I honestly think the system is just at complete random and they pick people and just say ok you get to move up one tiny peg today. If this isnt true please tell me how it works and how long i can expect to have to mute all on the people who will never receive the ban they actually do deserve.

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Imperial PandaaJun 16, 20184 votes

Valid reports that may not trigger punishment will still slow honor progress.

Not talking at all is considered neutral behavior and would progress more slowly than a positive speaking person.

Brain Errör 404Jun 16, 20181 votes

You're gonna need a quote on that not talking note. Based off of many experiences and information you can find on the boards, not talking is the fastest way to regain honor.

Imperial PandaaJun 16, 20183 votes

Hmm. Seems I misinterpreted the post and mixed with own bias. Apologies.

You have your experiences I have mine. I noticed an increase between checkpoints when I spoke in game with simple "good job" or "thanks for the help."

Silent GravityJun 16, 20182 votes

The advice to not talk at all is given to those who lack the ability to distinguish the difference between useful and negative chat.

Actual positive behavior increases honor more quickly.

Brain Errör 404Jun 17, 20181 votes

Honor is actually increased faster based on amounts of honor given as well as you honoring people at the end of every match.

If you often have matches where everyone honors, it increases honor substantially -- which still isn't very much, tbh. However, there's no difference between positive chat and not saying anything in chat as only negative chat carries any weight. The only benefit to being positive in chat is trying to get a "friendly" honor stating that you're enjoyable to play with.

Which is why I'm asking for some proof saying otherwise. There's numerous posts by rioters to back up my claims, but I've seen nothing that backs up yours. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it would be handy to have it as a quotable source if it is true.

KingKazooJun 17, 20181 votes

how is that possible when it doesnt matter what you say if you use one "trigger word" then it would slow and be reportable even if its from the enemy team and they cant see the chat log ? and if the word is used in a postive sense the auto bot doesnt detect that it just sees the word so its better not to type i think.

Imperial PandaaJun 17, 20181 votes

What "trigger" word is possibly being used in a positive manner?

KingKazooJun 20, 20181 votes

you could say "holy sh!t" that was awesome or "you're one bad ass dude" or anything like that but its not seen that was as its just an automated system that needs a rework worse than any champion.

Imperial PandaaJun 20, 20182 votes

Those aren't trigger words. Riot nor the system give two shits if someone fucking cusses; unless being used to harass someone.

So: "Holy Shit that was awesome" is okay But "Holy shit, you're bad" not so much.

"You are one bad ass dude" should be fine But "You are bad dude" not so much.

The only real trigger words are the zero tolerance phrases. Which I would hope you wouldn't try to spin in any positive manner.

The system can use improvements, of course; but not necessarily for the reason presented.

Side note, and I'm sure you are aware, champion reworks and behavior different teams.

KingKazooJun 28, 20181 votes

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CiphonWJun 28, 20182 votes

I disagree. I curse all the time in games, at my mistakes (aw shit mb), bad team fights (damn that didn't go well), or even positively when someone does a neat outplay (daaaaamn nice). Never once have I been falsely punished for it, and my honor has been progressing normally since the season start. What I don't do is curse at teammates or flame anyone.

Also as a side note: based on the way you're responding to people who are merely answering your questions and trying to help you, I find it hard to believe that you got punished just for using curse words. If this is how you treat people who go out of their way to answer your questions and try to be helpful, I'd hate to see how you treat people normally.

Imperial PandaaJun 28, 20181 votes

At this point, I feel I am displaying more sense than you. Yes, it is a computer program. As such it uses a code. 1 report triggers review for a game.

YerroFeverJun 20, 20183 votes

So, according to Rioters, in various red posts that I'll attempt to compile...

The length of time you are in dishonorable really depends on two things: The punishment you got and also whether or not you are reforming:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/unobngtr-how-player-behavior-penalties-affect-hextech-crafting?comment=000000000000

To add some clarity, more severe infractions incur longer ineligibility periods. If you’re currently ineligible for earned content, this is on you.

Regaining honor is dependent on your behavior. However, Rioters have given us an estimate:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/iLcIFjP0-how-permanent-ban-works?comment=000e

3 months is the average amount of time it takes to get an account into a better status from a 14-day ban. It is not a fixed number. There is no magic 3 month check the decrements your status. It is entirely related to your behavior.

The simple answer is to just stop being a jerk, stop doing the stuff that got you banned, and you will never have anything to worry about.

Remember that false reports don't affect you. It's about whether or not you are actually being toxic.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/unobngtr-how-player-behavior-penalties-affect-hextech-crafting?show=flat&comment=00000000000000010001000200000000000000000001

Actually, Erdrik is correct here.

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing .. unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

Now, as for your chats and how they affect you:

It is true that so long as you do not create a negative experience through chat, you will regain your honor.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/unobngtr-how-player-behavior-penalties-affect-hextech-crafting?show=flat&comment=00120000

What you're doing is totally fine. Neutral or positive play is really all we're asking for.

"Me keeping quiet and playing the game as normal, is me being sportsmanlike." Just keep doing what you're doing, you don't need to be some paragon of good behavior to get loot. Just play games and don't create bad experiences for other people.

However, it has been said that your chats are graded on a spectrum of negative through neutral through positive.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports?show=flat&comment=000400000000

Where the confusion creeps in is when you try to reduce things down to: Does "X" mean penalties. Instant Feedback only works that way with hate speech and threats of harm. That's the sort of harassment the team is much more focused on. Report calling is often a minor negative thing, but say there's a spectrum of chat where 1 is hyper-friendly, 5 is neutral, and 10 is literal death threats, this is like a 6.

So based on what is being tracked by Riot, I think that being positive will help you get out of dishonorable faster, however, a rioter (I can't find the post that has it atm) has said that the way to get out of dishonorable is not necessarily to be honorable, but to not be dishonorable. Boornes said something similar in an earlier quote above where he said they're only looking for neutral and positive play and that you don't have to be a paragon to gain honor loot.

EDIT: also, the IFS isn't just a trigger word system, it's a machine learning system

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/MIBGEN1J-the-issue-with-the-behaviour-system-is-that-it-is-too-black-and-white?comment=0005

Furthermore, you don't get punished for swearing. Fuck. Shit.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/iE97lQZW-make-reporting-system-more-efficient?comment=0000000000000000000100000000

The censored word list is in no way linked to the chat log evaluation engine. We let people censor out swearing, but we don't penalize for swearing if you aren't attacking other people or using hate speech.

You get punished for attacking people and being an asshole to others. Lots of people mistake bundled swears and flames, like "you're a fucking feeding noob piece of shit that needs to uninstall" you're getting punished for the flame, not because you said fuck and shit.

KingKazooJun 28, 20181 votes

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YerroFeverJun 28, 20182 votes

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I guess there's a whole boat load of idiots out lately. If you don't think that trigger words are a real thing then you'e just plain stupid. If riots system was an A.I. system it would detect positive ways things are being said and negative ways things are being said. And it doesn't so you're wrong.

I think you misunderstand what I meant by quoting Rioters. There are certain words that are easily picked up by the IFS, which is a machine learning system, but the IFS is not a trigger word system... it's a machine learning system. It does try to differentiate false positives but it takes time, and it also takes people flagging false positives, IE opening a player support ticket and then getting their false positive result reversed, for the machine learning system to learn. Also, I believe Tantram has said the IFS has learned to pick up on sarcasm.

Some of your answer is valid but at the same time you clearly seem to be a riot fanboy so I can't really take you too serious.

I'm just quoting you red posts because you seemed to be dismissive of what people said so I'm showing you where I'm getting my statements from. It's not about being a riot fanboy. It's about showing you my Rioter citations to show you that I'm not talking out of my ass and making things up.

Also if riots system is by AI and is learning how can people hard int for 30 games and not get detected at 10 games or even as low as 5 ?

Because people go to such lengths to stealth troll. People no longer use all dorans or run down mid with no items or all tears. The IFS has to learn to decipher bad plays from inting. Inters are getting trickier. Also, maybe you just assume they're inting when they're not. What if they're just having a bad game? What if they've tilted and are having a streak of bad games?

It seems to me like you want to attack me since I asked about being "reformed" and want to softly play it against me which is fine i'm not one of you soft millennial's that cries when someone attacks me.

I made no statements about you. I addressed every concern you had with backed up references of statements based on your original post and your comments to others. What you're doing here is actually picking a fight when there is none. You said "now i'm curious as to how long it takes to get back to being square." Thus I gave you every single quote to tell you what they measure you on and the estimated times Riot gave in posts. Where am I attacking you?

If everyone else was less serious and stopped crying in this game then I can bet that there wouldn't be so many reports. 90% of the people who get flamed in this game are trolls and or feeders and they cry cuz everyone is soooo mean to them. Maybe if they listened and tried to get better they wouldn't get flamed. Stop being so soft and stop crying and more importantly stop feeding.

So this is kind of indicative of why you're probably not progressing in honor. You are trying to justify flaming others, which Riot says is dishonorable behavior. Rather than say "let me be toxic" why not try "lets find better ways of dealing with my anger and frustration"?

KingKazooJun 28, 20181 votes

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YerroFeverJun 28, 20183 votes

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yeah like don't play this fucking game. You serve points from riots that you've searched all these boards for... you'e the lead fanboy. Don't deny it any further.

See you're antagonizing people and you're trying to pick a fight. You're condescending and demeaning when all you wanted answers for was how long it takes to get out from being square and when you started disputing with others earlier about what gets you out of honor faster or slower, I provided you with quotes and context to show you that these are the words of Riot and not me. I'm only trying to help you understand how to get out of dishonorable. However, you appear to only want to pick a fight.

I didn't misunderstand you, you legit said these are not trigger words and it doesn't work like that.

I said "There are certain words that are easily picked up by the IFS, which is a machine learning system, but the IFS is not a trigger word system." I think I understand where the misunderstanding because you are interpreting this as... well, you state it in the next part here:

Also on that riot says so much shit that they don't even know what they're saying. The system is simple and does not detect anything except for bad words from "bad people" yet like i said before they let trolls roll over everyone and inters continue to int.

Then how do you explain the punishments in the chat logs of people who don't use swear words or zero tolerance policy words? Just look through the forums. There are chat logs where people get punished for clogging the chat with arguments that have no swears or zero tolerance policy words.

Stealth trolling is certainly a new term to me but sounds legit.

You know how people type "I'm not inting!" and then walk into a team fight, blow all of their skills on the wrong person or miss then cause everyone to die? That's a form of stealth trolling. Or someone casting heal but hovering over someone with more health than you so that the heal hits your ally and not you when you needed it more. That's stealth trolling. They can say "I used heal to try and save you!" but they intentionally made it so that the summoner healed someone else but since their cooldown is now visible, the team can't really say "but you didn't try because your heal is still up." You will be surprised at how far people will go to intentionally troll people and try to keep their account.

The thing is, when i look at people match history after they fed in my game, what did i see ? Consistent 10+ deaths in 30 minute games. What does that mean? It means with rough math they are dying at minute 5 for a start. Which also means they have been in lane for about 3 minutes less actually cuz of the time it take minions to walk to lane. Then they have a 10 second reset or what ever it is. Lets pretend they have tp so now in lane back on track only to die again 2 min later. Now they have to walk back to lane along with 15 second re-spawn. Then another 30 seconds to walk to lane. So out of 8 minutes of the game they have only been in lane for 4. This is where "play safe comes" then they flame you. You leave it alone and you hear it again AN ALLY HAS BEEN SLAIN! In that 30 minute game they are only on the rift for what 20 of that ? they spend as much time dead as they are alive and these are people going in 1 vs 3 or going into enemy jungle to try and catch up on farm instead of actually being safe.

I get that it's frustrating having a feeder on your team. Sometimes it's bad games, sometimes it's inting. If you believe they are inting, then just report them and let the system handle it. You have to contribute to the system for it to learn. When people throw their hands up and say "reporting does nothing" they're actually making the system worse. If you suspect inting, then report it. It helps Riot's system learn how to pick the behavior up better than it does now. It's a machine learning system. If you don't try to teach it, then it won't ever learn.

I regret nothing I've said to these people and if riot had half a brain they could put a system in place that would really work and make other players happy.

Maybe League of Legends isn't the game for you. Riot's rules will always control the player behavior standard here. League isn't the only MOBA out there.

As for this game lets be real current meta has pissed almost the entire community off and they don't give a FUCK about any of you.

The current meta is a separate issue. The devs want the game to go one way and they think it's going to make the game better. Just because they're wrong doesn't mean they don't give a fuck about anyone. It might just be that they strongly believe in their idea and they strongly believe that they're doing the right thing for players.

You seem to have maybe spent a fair share of money in the game and that's all they want.

Isn't that was all companies want? All companies want you to spend a fair share of money on their product. Also, why are you targeting me specifically? You're being antagonistic for no reason. I'm just trying to address your concerns and points where you believe X and the Rioters have said Y. It's up to you on whether or not you believe your personal experience and personal interpretation or try to take in the totality of circumstances and compare your experience with others on the forums and read what Rioters have said about what's going on.

They know they are dying and this game cant last more than 3-5 years so they're just soaking all of you for all the money they can.

People have claimed league of legends has been dying since the Tribunal because people started getting punished for calling others nXXXXrs a fXXXXts and that Riot is "infringing on freedom of speech" and it will be the downfall of their company... but since Tribunal, their published numbers went up. Now whether or not you believe the numbers they published is another thing.

Personally, I don't think they would have found investors if their numbers weren't accurate. Even third party sites have indicated numbers are roughly in the 100 million daily players area. You can definitely question the validity of those statistics as they're pulling those from the player profiles and what not that are public info on Riot's website (like how you can go to your gaming history or mine). It would be quite an undertaking to fake those numbers and games, but it's not out of the realm of possibilities. There are many out there who cook the books.

I could see that Riot is on the decline with the current meta because honestly I'm personally finding the meta less fun to play, but I am finding that my interactions with players are getting better. I don't see as many people using slurs and hate speech. I don't see as many people flaming others. I don't see as many people going on 100 line arguments with each other as often... etc.. But changing the meta can bring people back. Having a toxic community and leaving it toxic won't bring people back.