So fair

SaladSavior215·Mar 12, 2017·1 votes·1,016 views

when someone calls me a %%% 2 times its ok but when i call him a dumbass back it is not, when a kha feeds and calls me a dumbass because i took 3 cs from his lane while there was no one there he doesn't get banned i do, when someone tells me im inting and i have the kda in the team and ask "im inting" and "?" in to different lines thats 100% not a question and a sign that im gonna feed im gonna feed.

Remove the instant feedback system and review the cases in which people are reported over 3 or more times in the same game.

i reported a inting kha and he didnt get punished but i did for calling him a dumbass while he did the same to me AND fed.

I didnt go bot in normals because im not good bot laner and i instantly get told im trolling and i get reported therefore im banned. a top laner calles me a %%%got 2 times and gets away with it while i called him a dumbass because i was told to go mid and someone else went mid.

I was report due to asking my team if i was inting at 4/9 kd with them being 2/9 or something worst.

36 Comments

Deep Terror NamiMar 12, 20176 votes

when someone calls me a %%% 2 times its ok

That isn't ok, but it doesn't justify negative behavior on your part. Mute and report them, and don't become just another problem to the other players in the game.

When you get punished, it's because you've got a history of negative behavior being reported; if the other person isn't immediately punished that's usually because that behavior isn't the norm for them, as a case has to be built up before the system reviews it. As long as your reports are accurate they will contribute to building that case so they are eventually punished, if they continue that kind of behavior.

If you want to discuss your punishment I recommend posting the chat logs.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

i had never said %%% before and they punished me instantly for saying it one time, i wasnt doing negative behavior.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RKNoz4Ki,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-12T19:36:04.335+0000)

That isn't ok, but it doesn't justify negative behavior on your part. Mute and report them, and don't become just another problem to the other players in the game.

If you want to discuss your punishment I recommend posting the chat logs.

if i do that it will only show my side therefore only affecting me.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

it's a homophobic slur and its bannable. doesn't matter if he hasn't said it before If he doesn't deserve to be punished then i don't either.

Deep Terror NamiMar 12, 20174 votes

If you got punished you definitely have a history of reports against you already. You're expecting protection from this while not granting the same to the other person.

if i do that it will only show my side therefore only affecting me

Yeah, that is the behavior you're responsible for. You aren't getting punished for what he did, and he doesn't get punished for what you do.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

did i not break down my reports already?

i cant shaco adc, i went top, the guy called me %%%got 2 times and didn't get punished and %%%got is a homophobic slur which IS bannable. i called him an asshole and ended discussion. A kha'xiz decided to feed and i called him and asshole and nothing more while my teammates called him much more worst things. he blamed me for him feeding after i took 3 cs form his lane as jungle. when i go 4/9 having the best kda on team without being toxic in chat or anything its considered intentionally feeding? stop defending riots bullshit instant feedback system. you always have an answer for everything defending the system as if it actually reviewed the case in 2 fucking seconds. It doesn't matter if the person didn't have a history of saying it because he still said it, the guy looked like he had a short temper would do that kind of stuff. im 100% sure that riot doesn't review the cases at all and loves to say they do. you cant review a 20+ minute game in 4 seconds. the instant feedback system is relays on numbers not facts. They are too lazy to review the .033% of the community that get banned as they say. there is absolutely no way the even review cases. Am i not suppose to have fun in a game? when im forced into a lane that makes the game fun? when i don't know how to play a game so i get reported, that is fun? wow. honestly only argument you riot fanboys have is "you responded and that was your fault, choose your words correctly." no that's bullshit if i were to say something and the other person say the exact same thing and i got report but he didn't i would be punished he wouldn't, he can do as he pleases as long as he doesn't get reported. don't fucking dodge that part either. They get away with anything they say as long as they don't get reported and no i cant worry about my self because riot is lying, they say they prefer opinions over numbers when that's not true. if it were then the instant feedback system wouldn't exist.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

Please, bring a strong argument that doesn't include "you responded therefore its your fault." if riot would care abut numbers then they would have banned the guy who called me a %%%got 2 times. when ever you cant/ don't have an answer my my post that's very solid you report it and don't have to answer it. you're telling me that because a guy "probably" has never said %%%got or %%% before its ok that's he says it 2 times? "oh it might have just slipped" 2 times? no, so what that he doesn't have a history of reports, he said %%%got and that's homophobic.riot doesn't add both sides of a conversation because they cant bring up a strong point in some. Stop dodging my question. Do numbers matter more than opinions?

Magical PlayerMar 12, 20173 votes

Nobody can control what you type out at another person There will be no argument that I can think of that can be valid or stronger than that

If you're convinced otherwise then we disagree on this point. Thats okay

Opinions have no standing they differ from person to person numbers can't lie

If you don't get reported the system doesn't investigate if the system doesn't investigate then it can't build case if it can't build a case it can not punish

So yes if a user has no report history then it is possible that the system sees it as a slip up rather than a toxic player

However riot I think has a zero tolerance policy towards hate speech, so he very well may have been given a punishment

In terms of reports Unless you are the last report to punish someone, you will not be notified with that message

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

you just validated my statement, opinions don't matter therefore making the system unfair.

Magical PlayerMar 13, 20171 votes

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you just validated my statement, opinions don't matter therefore making the system unfair.

How does an opinion validate what you did? I'm not going to respond to the rest as several others have already done that in a better way that I could

SaladSavior215Apr 20, 20171 votes

Opinions have no standing they differ from person to person numbers can't lie

this proves my point that riot takes quantity over quality. i don't think i will touch this topic again but i just want to say one more thing, i don't think people here have the intelligence to give a well thought out answer. don't take this as an offensive thing because as you said its my opinion and its doesn't matter.

Magical PlayerApr 20, 20171 votes

Kappa

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

You're are telling me the system can investigate a 20-40 minute case in just 2-5 seconds. no, of course it cant because its not a human and if that were true the guy would be punished for using slur and the other person who intentionally fed would have been punished/banned. If riot has a Zero tolerance policy toward hate speech the guy would been punished.

If you don't get reported the system doesn't investigate if the system doesn't investigate then it can't build case if it can't build a case it can not punish

You just made my argument more valid.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RKNoz4Ki,comment-id=00000002000000010000,timestamp=2017-03-12T20:51:11.193+0000)

Opinions have no standing they differ from person to person numbers can't lie

Proven my Point again

So yes if a user has no report history then it is possible that the system sees it as a slip up rather than a toxic player

You cant SLIP the word %%%got 2 times, come on use your brain.

However riot I think has a zero tolerance policy towards hate speech, so he very well may have been given a punishment

Why isnt the guy punished for calling me a %%%got 2 TIMES?

ModThe DjinnMar 12, 20172 votes

{quoted}if riot would care abut numbers then they would have banned the guy who called me a %%%got 2 times.

The report system doesn't work that way though. If he got a report from that game for, say, hate speech, then that's now on his system, and that's a high priority offense. It won't take many reports of that nature to get him punished, but you also won't know when or if he HAS been punished unless your report is the one that triggers the punishment. If he keeps that behavior up with any frequency he most likely WILL end up punished.

Riot, however, has decided (correctly, in my opinion) to hold individuals responsible for their own actions and responses. In much that same way that he will undoubtedly be punished if he keeps up his behavior, your behavior, whether spurred on by others or of your own volition, was also deemed unacceptable by players you played with, who clearly reported you with enough frequency that it triggered the system to review your case.

In almost all cases (save I believe a few that escalate quicker) a fraction of bad games won't trigger punitive action. So you were not punished for this game along -- this game served only as the tipping point for a prior history of reports that would have been necessary to get the system to punish you.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RKNoz4Ki,comment-id=00000002000000010001,timestamp=2017-03-12T20:52:55.635+0000)

The report system doesn't work that way though. If he got a report from that game for, say, hate speech, then that's now on his system, and that's a high priority offense. It won't take many reports of that nature to get him punished, but you also won't know when or if he HAS been punished unless your report is the one that triggers the punishment. If he keeps that behavior up with any frequency he most likely WILL end up punished.

Rioter and people of that rank have told me that slurs are an instant punishment / ban. therefore making this part of your argument invalid.

Riot, however, has decided (correctly, in my opinion) to hold individuals responsible for their own actions and responses. In much that same way that he will undoubtedly be punished if he keeps up his behavior, your behavior, whether spurred on by others or of your own volition, was also deemed unacceptable by players you played with, who clearly reported you with enough frequency that it triggered the system to review your case.

Don't you people have a different argument honestly its getting so fucking boring hearing the same thing "You will be held responsible for your own actions."

In almost all cases (save I believe a few that escalate quicker) a fraction of bad games won't trigger punitive action. So you were not punished for this game along -- this game served only as the tipping point for a prior history of reports that would have been necessary to get the system to punish you.

You are all still dodging my statement, if someone were to call me "%%%%%%" or "%%%got" or "spic" or "cracker" they wouldn't get punished if only i report them, but when i tell them that they are an asshole and to stop being racist i get punished because he asked people to report me. Im not being held responsible for my actions because i believe my actions were good. im being held responsible for the reports made by the team i clearly told i cant shaco adc. I told the team i cant go any other role except for adc and they throw me as an adc. I get called a %%%got 2 times and apparently it slipped. hes ok for now. no hes not, hes ok until he gets report by someone who hasn't been punished. people who have been punished report and nothing happens. All you people say is worry about myself but i cant fucking worry about myself because if i do worry about my self guess what "reported for unsportsmanlike behavior". and guess what "banned", if i mute them it would not make a fucking difference they will still spam report and will still get the same punishment so really there isn't a reason for the mute button as soon as some one says "reported". The guy looks like he would get reported instantly due to hi short temper so im 100% sure he has been reported before and im also 100% sure that 1 report from a person with a "history" will not change a thing. please refrain from making another argument with a "worry about yourself" or "you will be held accountable for you own actions" sentence. honestly your arguments are all the same.

ModThe DjinnMar 12, 20172 votes

{quoted}Rioter and people of that rank have told me that slurs are an instant punishment / ban. therefore making this part of your argument invalid.

I believe this is true for manual reviews, yes. Not for automated system responses, which uses the escalation punishment system.

Don't you people have a different argument honestly its getting so fucking boring hearing the same thing "You will be held responsible for your own actions."

We say it because it's Riot's official stance. THEY have said it, so we repeat it. It's not an argument, and more a statement of their official policy. Since Riot holds all the cards here, there isn't really wiggle room. If they say you're responsible for your own actions or you will be punished, that's all there is to it.

You are all still dodging my statement, if someone were to call me "%%%%%%" or "%%%got" or "spic" or "cracker" they wouldn't get punished if only i report them, but when i tell them that they are an asshole and to stop being racist i get punished because he asked people to report me.

The system (to my knowledge, based on previous Riot posts we've seen) weighs reports on a per-game basis, not on a raw-numbers basis. 1 report per game over 10 games triggers the system just the same as 9 reports per game over 10 games, I believe. This is why asking for reports is meaningless -- one player has the power to make a difference, and eight other players agreeing with them doesn't affect the system. This removes reporting power from things like 3-4 man premades and levels the playing field for solo players.

Additionally, in order to get punishment you need to be reliably reported in a large number of your games. One or even four or five bad games won't do it -- if you get banned, you're looking at a report rate in the top 1-3% of League players.

EvilDustManMar 12, 20175 votes

Starting shit AND continuing shit are both punished.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

He started it and i didnt talking to, he called me a %%% which is a bannable offence and i called him asshole, i then stopped responding negatively and played the game attempting to help team.

EvilDustManMar 12, 20174 votes

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He started it and i didnt talking to, he called me a %%% which is a bannable offence and i called him asshole, i then stopped responding negatively and played the game attempting to help team.

You shouldn't have continued, but as long as you don't have a history, you should be fine on that score. Starting up a fight about scores is bad too.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

I went top because i cant go adc as a shaco and therefore got called a %%%. he was not punished and i was for callign him an asshole and NOTHING else. i call him an asshole and stop the discussion.

Kei143Mar 12, 20174 votes

if you are punished then it means you have a history of being toxic.

You don't get punished for 1 game.

Also other people will get punished in their time, you'll get punished in your time. Think of all the times you were toxic yet "got away" with it.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

Think of all the times i reported someone who was actually being toxic and didn't get a notification of them being toxic. think that maybe im not toxic all fucking day everyday. How about you think? if i was toxic every day i would be perma banned. when you say all the times you say it as if im always being toxic. you're still dodging the fact that the guy called me a %%%got and got away with it, doesn't matter if he wasn't report that much before. inting and slurs and bannable offences and he said it 2 times. don't throw the blame on me when all i said was asshole which is a swear word which i got banend for. can you honestly stand here and bring up a good argument? does riot riot even look at games?

Kei143Mar 12, 20173 votes

Even if he was punished by now, you'd never know, cos the system only gives you notification if the game you reported them in was the game that got them punished, and not when it is down the road.

Besides, why would you care if he got punished? You just focus on yourself so you don't get punished.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

no, he called me a %%% and i got punished for saying %%% before so he deserves to be punished too, i have reported people and they have been punished and i have received a notification saying they were punished.

Kei143Mar 12, 20173 votes

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Even if he was punished by now, you'd never know

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

so what about the time that the other guy intentionally fed?

Kei143Mar 12, 20172 votes

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Also other people will get punished in their time, you'll get punished in your time. Think of all the times you were toxic yet "got away" with it.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

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Kei143Mar 12, 20172 votes

Glad I could of been of service.

ModUlanopoMar 12, 20175 votes

Honestly where am i gonna find someone who doesn't dodge question and fact also while giving intelligent answers to my exact question without changing the subject.

I have been following this thread for a while and this was the first thing that came to mind:

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You're not going to be able to have a productive conversation unless and until you stop listening with you fear and actually pay attention to what the other person is saying. It will also help when you stop demanding that others tell you what you want to hear.

Your argument seems to boil down to "It frustrates me when people do the same things I do - or worse - and I'm the only one that gets in trouble." I hear you. That can feel pretty awful. It can be confusing, too.

What I feel you're missing is that Riot uses a frequency times intensity system to trigger reviews and punishments. That means being especially toxic, repeatedly toxic or some combination thereof is what triggers the review. Since you're not being overtly racist, sexist or homophobic, it's safe to assume you're being flagged for frequency. That means you're getting reported significantly more often than the average player. I, for example, am reported in less than 1 game in 50 and most of those are not considered valid (routine reviews of my in-game behavior are part of being an Arbiter).

If you want to discuss your chat logs, I will be more than willing to help you look for ways to be reported less often. In the meantime, what other people do and whether or not they have been punished is pretty irrelevant, as that stuff has no bearing on your account. Riot treats League like a movie theater: two people who get into it are both getting thrown out, regardless of the details or who started it.

Kei143Mar 12, 20173 votes

Inting is not the same as feeding.

Feeding alone is not punishable.

SaladSavior215Mar 12, 20171 votes

he said he was gonna feed intentionally