I was permabanned for one game, is this really worth a permaban?

Geneseid·Apr 2, 2018·3 votes·1,539 views

I was tilted, top lane blamed me cause he lost lane but is this one game really worth a permanent ban? (He legit went off on me for not ganking, I know I shouldn't retaliate but it was one game.)

Game 1 Geneseid: lol Geneseid: wanna ward Geneseid: do something Geneseid: yeah cause you went ryze mid Geneseid: mid lane he sucks Geneseid: stop dying top please Geneseid: play safe top please Geneseid: stop fighting him Geneseid: because you're fucking inting Geneseid: and i want to win Geneseid: you're 1/4 Geneseid: stfu Geneseid: bot ward Geneseid: gj ryze Geneseid: wish you didnt feed Geneseid: 2/6 Geneseid: ROFL Geneseid: 2/6 Geneseid: ROFL Geneseid: 2/6 Geneseid: ROFL Geneseid: caitlyn Geneseid: stay with us Geneseid: or that'll happen every time Geneseid: wow Geneseid: lol Geneseid: gj feeding top btw Geneseid: not my fault you suck Geneseid: and cant win lane Geneseid: im not obligated to babysit you Geneseid: you low elo tard Geneseid: get muted Geneseid: caitlyn Geneseid: group with us Geneseid: the kled Geneseid: xd Geneseid: lol Geneseid: this olaf Geneseid: i actually cant do anything cause hes fed out his ass Geneseid: lol Geneseid: he has no flash now Geneseid: group Geneseid: lol Geneseid: group Geneseid: around ryze Geneseid: lol Geneseid: why are caitlyn and kled never with us Geneseid: yeah Geneseid: kled is our frontline Geneseid: gg Geneseid: no top lane

This was literally the game I got permbanned for, because if there were more games that lead to the punishment there would be at least 2 more chat logs to showcase it. A game where the worst thing I said is "not my fault you suck" lead to a permanent ban.

51 Comments

PresBushDid711Apr 2, 20188 votes

In itself? No. However, I would venture a bet that you just came off a 14 day ban. Even the least bit of toxicity after a 14 will get you permed. The real question is, was this game punishment worthy? Yes

GeneseidApr 2, 20181 votes

You are correct, however the previous ban was roughly a month ago and one game itself leads to a permanent ban?

Quiet DudeApr 2, 20182 votes

It doesn't bother you that you get consequences AGAIN one month after a 2 week ban? You gotta learn how to grow and better yourself, bro.

GeneseidApr 2, 20181 votes

I understand, but this was just one game where I was tilted and didn't even really flame just displayed anger (at getting flamed for not ganking top).

Quiet DudeApr 2, 20182 votes

I guess now you know, and when you make a new account, you won't do it again, right?

GeneseidApr 2, 20181 votes

So riot won't give me another chance despite the fact it was simply one game?

Quiet DudeApr 2, 20181 votes

Nope. That account is banned for good. See you on your new account.

GeneseidApr 2, 20181 votes

I've seen them reduce bans to 14 days if they felt it didn't warrant the punishment

Quiet DudeApr 2, 20181 votes

Yea, but what you did warranted a punishment. It may not be to whatever scale caused the 2 week ban, but they stack. It sucks to lose an account, but some folks learn the hard way.

GeneseidApr 2, 20181 votes

So people can receive permanent bans and it shows them 3 chat logs of them flaming hard core but I get one chat log where I wasn't even flaming that hard (if not at all, I was literally displaying anger.)

Quiet DudeApr 2, 20181 votes

How are you not getting this? It doesn't matter what the other person does. If you're getting flamed, report him, and he will get his own just rewards. But if you respond to him in kind, you are also at fault as well. You gotta focus on you, eff what other people say. Report them and be a positive and mature individual. Now you know better.

"Geneseid: gj feeding top btw Geneseid: not my fault you suck"

This right here. Totally uncalled for. If he was saying something to you, bite your tongue and report him. Or better yet, mute him.

ChermorgApr 2, 20183 votes

There is no minimum number of games. There is no acceptable amount of toxicity, and especially so soon after a 14 day ban you are on thin ice. Put simply, you were put on notice with the 14 day ban which made explicitly clear you were on your last chance, and you went back to acting like this.

You showed Riot that nothing short of an extremely severe punishment would cause you to reform - thus Riot applied an extremely severe punishment. Regretting it now is the goal - you should not enjoy being punished and you brought it upon yourself by not reforming after the 14 day ban.

A reformed player would not be toxic - ever. They may have a bad game where they get a little negative, but they certainly would not harass others and berate them for their scores/performance as you did here.

DBS RonovonApr 2, 20181 votes

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PresBushDid711Apr 2, 20182 votes

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These punishments are dumb, they ruin the game even more than the people who feed, afk, trash talk, and give up. Why? Its a game. This is not fun stuff, and you can't stop the internet from being the internet. This is not instagram, and people pay money and spend time progressing. Taking those things away are wrong no matter what. Words cannot do anything physically, and you guys need to figure out a chat filter that exempts people from reading the trash or something because these bans on players are completely out of line. Why doesn't Riot just make a game for girls, and then there will be no trash talking, because girls don't trash talk on the internet, but boys tend to do that, and this is competition so it will never go away.

Tough choice... create a filter to attempt to remove toxic behavior.... Or just remove the toxic behavior

You seem to think the vast majority of players dont mind playing with an ass, you would be wrong.

DBS RonovonApr 2, 20181 votes

How do you get rid of toxic behavior?

You don't.

You can do something about the chat though. Banning people just steals money and time from people. They can still play on alt accounts, new accounts, botted and paid accounts, and that toxic behavior remains buddy. You don't make very strong points here.

Imperial PandaaApr 3, 20181 votes

Oh no, I voluntarily bought extra items that are unnecessary for a f2p game. Even if I simply quit and don't get punished, I still lose that money. Games don't have a "I'm quitting and need a refund button".

"Quiting and being punished are different. You choose to quit." Yes, but people punished for toxicity chose to be toxic; multiple times too.

Should Steam refund me/my family for the games on my account once I die if no one has access to them?

DBS RonovonApr 2, 20181 votes

I guess Riot just wants to steal people's money by locking away skins, and steal time by making someone have to level up again to play ranked. Nice job Riot. Thanks for stealing from people who play a game.

Quiet DudeApr 2, 20181 votes

Have you tried being a mature and even tempered player? That'll save you time (and money) rather than getting your account banned. Or you could stick to your guns and be toxic, but to each his own.

DBS RonovonApr 2, 20181 votes

Have you tried playing an online game that didn't punish people for something the game designers put in the game?

Quiet DudeApr 2, 20181 votes

Punish is a broad word and can mean a lot of things when it comes to gaming. Do you mean punish as a gameplay term, as in I whiff a combo in a fighting game and my opponent punishes it? Or in the classical sense as in I was toxic and my behavior was punished? You’ll need to specify but I’m guessing it’s the latter

DBS RonovonApr 2, 20181 votes

Read the OP's topic.

Quiet DudeApr 2, 20182 votes

I did. Have you? He broke the summoner code and got a consequence after a 2 week ban. His account is permabanned unless Riot decides otherwise. What's your point?

Quiet DudeApr 2, 20181 votes

Well youre in a forum, posting in a forum. You're going to have a discussion or you're going to have a bad time. I'm fine with you not further replying, you obviously don't care about toxicity. Which is fine. You folks weed yourselves out.

Imperial PandaaApr 3, 20181 votes

Why am I getting punished for team killing? It is programmed into the game. : ^)

PresBushDid711Apr 2, 20181 votes

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So riot won't give me another chance despite the fact it was simply one game?

Dude, stop saying "just one game". They only showed you one game. That doesn't mean you werent toxic or flaming any other games. It just means THIS game put you over the edge.

It is highly unlikely they will remove the ban, but you are free to open a support ticket via the link at the bottom of this page, or by going to support.riotgames.com

GibberwattApr 2, 20181 votes

This was your 'another chance.' Their logic is that most people understand that a 14 day ban is really fkin close to a perma, and would tread carefully for a long time - something that you failed to do.

GeneseidApr 2, 20181 votes

I get what you're saying. But hear me out, since that ban I've played roughly 200 games and every game I've been on my most positive behavior. I get so many honors now that my honor started improving (from a 14 day ban).

This was literally the one game that led to this ban.

DBS RonovonApr 2, 20181 votes

lol are you a behavior modification specialist or something? Get over yourself guy.

Quiet DudeApr 2, 20181 votes

No, and no.

PresBushDid711Apr 2, 20185 votes

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You are correct, however the previous ban was roughly a month ago and one game itself leads to a permanent ban?

Yes, it takes far longer than a month to get your account into good standings after a 14 day ban. Also, you were only shown one game. Everytime you are reported correctly it is like a drop in a bucket. This just happened to be the game that made the bucket overflow. The 14 day ban is meant to let you know that your punishment bucket is at the overflow level.

Timethief49Apr 2, 20182 votes

One month isnt even close to beeing enough time to show you reformed. Estimations are atleast 3 months of perfect behaviour. The 14 day ban message says if your behaviour continues it will lead to a permaban. You have to have either perfect or atleast neutral bejaviour for a long time.

DBS RonovonApr 2, 20181 votes

Why?

LeylaniaApr 2, 20181 votes

The message of the 14 day ban warns you that every little bad thing you do now will lead to an instant perma ban. You showed toxicity again and now the account is gone. What is there to discuss?

GeneseidApr 2, 20181 votes

This was literally the only bad thing I did after receiving a 14 day ban nearly a month prior and I put that on my mother (If a Rioter reviews my recent games, they'll see no signs of flaming).

LeylaniaApr 2, 20181 votes

Did you not read what I said? It doesn't matter how many bad things you say or how severe they are, every tiny thing that is against the rules will trigger the perma ban. The chat log you posted us shows the needed amount of toxicity for this to happen. And one month is not nearly enough time for an account to get back into the safe zone.

ChermorgApr 2, 20183 votes

This is as if you used the excuse “I only did it once this time!” when your probation officer asks you why you were caught doing whatever you were on probation for. It doesn’t fly. Reform requires no harassment like this - minor negativity is usually overlooked (ex: if you just get tilted and ask if your team wants to ff a few times, or if you get mad at a teammate very shortly and not the whole game), but things as major as your log are not able to be overlooked. You spent the entire game harassing others.

GeneseidApr 2, 20181 votes

I understand I guess, I'm new to the game and I wasn't expecting this to happen (especially when I wasn't just flaming, I actually congratulated our mid and suggested tips to our adc to avoid getting skarner ulted) but is there no way that this specific case wont get reduced or lifted?

ChermorgApr 2, 20182 votes

Very likely not - your last chance was the 14 day ban.

GeneseidApr 2, 20181 votes

I'm willing to accept the consequences of my actions, again I'm new to this game I simply wasn't expecting what I was saying to lead to a permaban as I don't have much knowledge of how seriously Riot takes toxicity in the game.

I appreciate your responses though, they were insightful. I'm just thankful I didn't spend to much money on this account because for my next account, if I don't get mine back, I plan on making sure this doesn't happen again.

Kei143Apr 2, 20181 votes

There are 4 punishment tiers.

10 game chat restriction
25 game chat restriction
14-day ban
permaban

In your reform card, Riot shows you 1-5 ** recent **games as examples of unacceptable behavior. It doesn't mean you were punished for 1 game alone.

ModPeriscopeApr 2, 20181 votes

Your chat is pretty negative, and it does appear to warrant a punishment. Since it does follow a 2-week ban, then this was the next step. However, I did notice that you've played quite a few games (I'd probably estimate +200) since your previous 2-week ban. I'd write a support ticket. Maybe if they see improvements to your behavior, they will reduce this.

Keep in mind, your entire account punishment history is taken into consideration prior to deciding whether or not to permaban you.

GeneseidApr 2, 20181 votes

Do they actually review your previous chat logs to see if you demonstrate improvements in behavior?

PresBushDid711Apr 2, 20182 votes

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Do they actually review your previous chat logs to see if you demonstrate improvements in behavior?

I don't think you understood, or currently understand, the severity of a 14 day ban. Once you receive that you are being held in by a tiny string. It takes MONTHs of non reportable behavior to get your punishment down a tier. So the short answer is no. They told you via 14 day punishment not to do this again, and in less than a month you did it again.

GeneseidApr 2, 20181 votes

I understand what you're saying but let me explain myself and my situation more. I'm being 100% honest when I say since my 14 day ban I've been on the most positive behavior (For at least 200 games) to the point where I'd get honored every game. A few days ago I got a notice saying my honor (which was a shitty level 0 dishonorable) was improving. This is largely due to the fact that I finally realized how effective muting someone was.

This was literally the only game since that ban that I demonstrated toxic behavior (which is why it's the only game I got banned for, while most people have like 3 games of a giant wall of text), and it was literally to a player that was flaming me nonstop early but I was ignoring him. I simply told him to stop dying and play safe top and that I was coming to help him, but he'd still just flame me nonstop and eventually i went off (for the first time since my 14 day ban which was a month ago) on him before muting him. As a jungle main, I deal with constant toxicity amd flame every game simply because they are losing lane. This is the worst player I encountered since where I let my emotions get the better of me and just went off on.

This is why after I muted this guy my chat looked like this.

Geneseid: caitlyn Geneseid: group with us Geneseid: the kled Geneseid: xd Geneseid: lol Geneseid: this olaf Geneseid: i actually cant do anything cause hes fed out his ass Geneseid: lol Geneseid: he has no flash now Geneseid: group Geneseid: lol Geneseid: group Geneseid: around ryze Geneseid: lol Geneseid: why are caitlyn and kled never with us Geneseid: yeah Geneseid: kled is our frontline Geneseid: gg Geneseid: no top lane

Even before I was arguing with this one player, I'm still discussing strategy with my team. Yes, in the beginning I said imply ryze mid sucks, but how can that be regarded as toxic when I'm just expressing what I think about it. I ate my pride and congratulated him when I realized he knew what he was doing. I don't display anger or harassment to anyone except my top laner this game. Even when I asked why caitlyn and kled (who I muted) were never with us, it wasn't me being toxic because I was actually discussing strategy with my team.

Geneseid: lol Geneseid: wanna ward Geneseid: do something Geneseid: yeah cause you went ryze mid Geneseid: mid lane he sucks Geneseid: stop dying top please Geneseid: play safe top please Geneseid: stop fighting him Geneseid: because you're fucking inting Geneseid: and i want to win Geneseid: you're 1/4 Geneseid: stfu Geneseid: bot ward Geneseid: gj ryze Geneseid: wish you didnt feed Geneseid: 2/6 Geneseid: ROFL Geneseid: 2/6 Geneseid: ROFL Geneseid: 2/6 Geneseid: ROFL Geneseid: caitlyn Geneseid: stay with us Geneseid: or that'll happen every time Geneseid: wow Geneseid: lol Geneseid: gj feeding top btw Geneseid: not my fault you suck Geneseid: and cant win lane Geneseid: im not obligated to babysit you Geneseid: you low elo tard Geneseid: get muted

I really wish I simply muted him when I first noticed he was toxic at first but I always try to get the better of my team as a jungle main and ensure them I can help them (this is why I started improving in my honor, because when people would say "we lost our bot lane fucking sucks" I'd be like "Don't worry we got late just ward have faith". This guy simply flamed me whenever I tried and I, like I said, let my emotions get the better of me.

I understand the consequences of my actions and I'm fully ready to just make a new account (I just recently started playing), but I'm just explaining the circumstances of my ban in context.

HalcyonDwellerApr 3, 20181 votes

Assuming that this log is unedited, and that you are being truthful about your behavior over the past month, I think you might have a case. Your best bet would be to submit a support ticket and implore them to review your behavior since the 14-day ban. Try to emphasize how much you've tried to improve and how much you just mute players instead of flaming them back (usually).

Definitely don't demand that they unban you, and try to just be open and polite. They can see your account history so there's also no point in lying to them (if you've been at all untruthful) because that will get you kicked out of support faster than anything.

They will likely review your past behavior and either explain to you why you hadn't improved enough or they might actually change the ban to 14-days. Don't get your hopes up though this sort of change is super rare.

Also at -14 this boards post is pretty dead, I doubt that a Rioter is going to read through this soon enough to help you. I didn't downvote it, but it was already deep by the time I got here so an upvote wouldn't help you. +1 anyways though, and good luck getting help.

ElixorsApr 2, 20181 votes

Geneseid: wish you didnt feed Geneseid: 2/6 Geneseid: ROFL Geneseid: 2/6 Geneseid: ROFL Geneseid: 2/6 Geneseid: ROFL Geneseid: caitlyn

Geneseid: gj feeding top btw Geneseid: not my fault you suck Geneseid: and cant win lane Geneseid: im not obligated to babysit you Geneseid: you low elo tard

I agree with the punishment, especially if you were warned beforehand about your behavior.

Nolkus PageApr 3, 20181 votes

Nothing you said in that chat was particularly helpful and about 95% of it was berating your teammates. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

GeneseidApr 3, 20181 votes

Teammate* I wasn't being toxic to anyone except my top laner this game.

Everyone else i was perfectly fine with. But my top feeds 2 kills before 5 minutes and instantly starts flaming me. Also letting your team know the fed top has no flash isn't helpful? lol

Read the chat next time and you'll see my anger is clearly directed at one person.