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Did Tyler1 get his account back instead of having to make a new one? How about giving mine back then

Derenik··5 votes·3,264 views

(This is not a Tyler1 bash or praise post. I don't watch him, just know of him. This is a question for Riot.)

All I know is that he got a forever ban at some point and now he is unbanned cause he's reformed. All is good and well, but I just saw that the account he is on has a Diamond border on one of his streams and it's lvl 73. That means that he either got unbanned before the preseason or he got his account back since he has the border, which if I'm not wrong is rewards you don't get if you get banned etc.

I have gotten a perma ban way back when. I had my main Morgana's victorious skin and I lost it and many other skins etc. That's reasonable, cause I was not behaving well and got a ban.

What irritates me is that Tyler1 who I hear "was" the god of toxic, inting, etc etc, who was the first person who ever got a lifetime ban, gets his account back with rewards intact, while I lost my 2-3 year account and had to create a new account.

So why didn't he have to create a new account like everyone else?

SInce he got his account back for being reformed, how about I get my account back for the same reason? I got banned for going Thresh mid, so I think that pales in comparison on what Tyler had done, so it should be OK to get it back if he did?

If I'm totally mistaken about him getting his account back then I apologise and you can disregard this.

Thanks and hope for an answer if possible.

Edit: I got my answer, Tyler managed to fool Riot, play during his ban phase and was able to keep the account afterwards. Thanks for the answers! I'm out! :)

41 Comments

Chermorg7 votes

There are other options. He did not get any of his permanently banned accounts back - if he made one, played ranked to get rewards, and flew “under the radar” until the end of his ID ban, that account would not have been banned when he revealed it to Riot (or on stream). Thus, it’s likely that’s what happened. An alternative, but less likely, is he bought an account.

Derenik3 votes

His ban was suppose to be lifetime, which should mean that ALL his accounts are perma banned. Since he got unbanned, the account he is on should've been made after that point. If he is on an account that was made during his ban or if he bought it then that totally just means he already broke the rules before he got unbanned and now is getting away with lying to Riot. Which brings me back, why is he getting these things overlooked and I'm not? Cause I'm not a famous streamer?

Chermorg13 votes

It was never lifetime. It was indefinite - meaning of unknown but not necessarily infinite length.

Riot’s policy for ID bans is “ban on sight/detection”. If he had an account, played the 10 placements on it, got into diamond, then never touched it again until they reviewed his ID ban, they did not “see” or “detect” it, thus it makes sense they would not ban it - especially if he was not asked to reveal it to them.

He is not the same as you. You had one account banned. If you make another one, Riot will not instantly ban it when they find out it is you. Riot would ban Tyler’s accounts as soon as they discovered them. If they missed some, that does not mean you get your account unbanned, because again, it’s two separate types of punishment.

Jo0o5 votes

Which is still pretty stupid, right?

Tyler1 demonstrated reformed behavior on a fresh account in direct defiance of Riot's ID ban on him. It's bizarre.

Chermorg5 votes

Riot believes in reform. There is a reason they don’t instantly ban people, but instead give them chances to reform before banning (14 day or permanent). There’s a reason they don’t instantly ID ban players when they’re permanently banned.

Tyler1 got another chance. This is akin to someone being convicted of a crime - if it’s a minor crime, they get probation (i.e. have to start over). If it’s a moderate crime (i.e. toxicity across many accounts), they get thrown in jail for a while, but they get let out eventually (i.e. T1). If it’s a huge crime (such as large scale hacking/etc), they get an ID ban that will never be lifted - as some people have.

Derenik3 votes

OK? Let's say Riot missed the account his playing on now. He IS playing on it right now, where's the ban on the account he's playing on since the proof is right there. He's not suppose to play on this account that got hidden during his insta ban phase. It's like saying someone comitting a murder, they found out who did it, but they wont do anything now cause now it's too late... (extreme comparison, but you get my point.)

Chermorg5 votes

I think I replied to your comment below, but I’ll repeat the general idea here:

Riot didn’t detect it is the most likely probability. Considering he is not now subject to an ID ban, he has every right to play League of Legends on any account he wants to (that he created). If he created, leveled, and played 10 placements on an account during his ID ban, it is a moot point - he is no longer ID banned. An account simply being created under an ID ban does not get it banned - it being detected that an ID banned player is playing on it does. Yes, it may be a loophole, but you also must ask what the benefit would be of them going back and doing it now. They would be going back and hitting him after they’ve already made amends with each other and are back on amicable terms. All banning an account they didn’t detect now would do would be to sever the trust between each other and cause more animosity between each other.

Derenik2 votes

I guess my reform and make amends with Riot was not as important when I wrote to Support months after my ban that I had learned my lesson. Riot won't give an account back but will overlook accounts that broke the rules and trust and just let those account still be active. You're right, it is a major loophole. But hey, Tyler gives RIot good PR so it's understandabale they make some exeptions to their rules for profit.

Thanks for the discussion. :)

Chermorg6 votes

I think you are vastly underestimating how severe your penalty was compared to Tyler’s, in which he got over 20 accounts banned for no reason simply because Riot did not want him playing during that time. You, on the other hand, have only gotten 1 banned, and are free to make another to continue playing if you want.

Automated Riven2 votes

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I think you are vastly underestimating how severe your penalty was compared to Tyler’s, in which he got over 20 accounts banned for no reason simply because Riot did not want him playing during that time. You, on the other hand, have only gotten 1 banned, and are free to make another to continue playing if you want.

In addition to this (a large part which everyone overlooks) Tyler 1 made his livelyhood streaming league. With the id ban riot directly attacked his paycheck. Whether intentional or not it was an attack none the less. Tyler 1 deserved his ban 100% but who cares if he played so long as he was not being toxic?

FKNinjagod1 votes

Yeah he makes his livelihood off it? That’s a dumb excuse. I’m a musician and when I lose a gig Or job that’s on me to find another in the same field if I want to. So why can’t he just pick up another game or another job to make money? Just because he is a popular name in league doesn’t make it right for the “little people” who play this game to get their shit taken away.

Automated Riven1 votes

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Yeah he makes his livelihood off it? That’s a dumb excuse. I’m a musician and when I lose a gig Or job that’s on me to find another in the same field if I want to. So why can’t he just pick up another game or another job to make money? Just because he is a popular name in league doesn’t make it right for the “little people” who play this game to get their shit taken away.

How does Tyler 1 getting unbanned have anything to do with the 'little people' getting their stuff taken away.

PresBushDid7113 votes

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I guess my reform and make amends with Riot was not as important when I wrote to support months after my ban that I had learned my lesson. Riot won't give an account back but will overlook accounts that broke the rules and trust and just let those account still be active. You're right, it is a major loophole. But hey, Tyler gives RIot good PR so it's understandabale they make some exeptions to their rules for profit.

Thanks for the discussion. :)

YOU WEREN'T ID BANNED!!!! T1 DID NOT GET BACK ANY BANNED ACCOUNTS!

PresBushDid7111 votes

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OK? Let's say Riot missed the account his playing on now. He IS playing on it right now, where's the ban on the account he's playing on since the proof is right there. He's not suppose to play on this account that got hidden during his insta ban phase. It's like saying someone comitting a murder, they found out who did it, but they wont do anything now cause now it's too late... (extreme comparison, but you get my point.)

I believe T1 mentioned that the process to get his ID removed started in October and part of the process was giving riot the account names of EVERY account he currently had. Riot then reviewed all of the accounts for behavior issues.

OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votes

It was a long process. He had to show for quite a while on multiple accounts that he was completely free from punishments. I don't remember the exact date it was, as I don't watch him, but one of the guys I do watch mentioned it. And when I heard about how long he was going to have to go, and with how many accounts he was going to have to stay clean, my first thought was "okay. If he can do that, I'll believe he's really reformed."

PresBushDid7111 votes

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His ban was suppose to be lifetime, which should mean that ALL his accounts are perma banned. Since he got unbanned, the account he is on should've been made after that point. If he is on an account that was made during his ban or if he bought it then that totally just means he already broke the rules before he got unbanned and now is getting away with lying to Riot. Which brings me back, why is he getting these things overlooked and I'm not? Cause I'm not a famous streamer?

His ban was an ID ban. Meaning if they identified an account as his it was permaed on the spot. So no, he didn't get any of the 22 banned accounts back, just like you aren't going to.

My guess to what happened is that he made an account towards the end of the year, easilly placed diamond, and then let it sit to get the rewards. It was never identified as his, thus not banned.

You want to be treated like T1? Be prepared to have all your accounts banned on the spot, regardless of behavior on it with no refund of money, no movement of rewards.

You have been free to make new accounts and be an assclown since the day your first account was banned.

Derenik1 votes

He's not suppose to have an account during the reward time, since at that time he was ID banned. Which means he got a free pass on an account he has rewards on which he shouldn't be having.

This is about getting something overlooked, if I acted like T1 then ye, I prob should get all my accounts banned if Riot decided that, since it's their game.

Míellá1 votes

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His ban was suppose to be lifetime, which should mean that ALL his accounts are perma banned. Since he got unbanned, the account he is on should've been made after that point. If he is on an account that was made during his ban or if he bought it then that totally just means he already broke the rules before he got unbanned and now is getting away with lying to Riot. Which brings me back, why is he getting these things overlooked and I'm not? Cause I'm not a famous streamer?

Riot can't make IP Bans. If they'd do that, every player that lives in his house (that has the same IP) will also get banned. So what they do is, they ban every account Tyler 1 shows to the public. Because Tyler didn't do that with his lvl 73 account, they couldn't ban it, simply cuz of the chance that it could be a player that just copied his name.

FKNinjagod2 votes

^^^

Colgate Gator4 votes

I know you already apologized in case you were wrong, but yeah, you were wrong, and if you had bothered to do the simplest research about the subject you would have already known the answer.

All in all, what was reversed was his ID ban, not his banned accounts.

Derenik1 votes

If he didn't get his account back then how does he have a border, unless he made an account during his ban and Riot didn't find it or bought it. (Which just means he didnt reform, still broke the rules.)

Since you know the research, show it to me. I found that he got unbanned during preseason, which would make him have no border on his account.

Chermorg4 votes

Did you ever think that maybe Riot used their discretion to say “it’s not worth it to ban this account”? Why should they ban an account now that they did not discover while the ID ban was in place? There is a statute of limitations on everything - and you generally cannot convict someone for a crime under a rule/policy which no longer exists.

Derenik1 votes

"It's OK to screw us over, as long as we don't know." - Riot

Basically the stance Riot is taking on it in that case. It's fine, got the answer to my question.

PresBushDid7111 votes

{quoted}

"It's OK to screw us over, as long as we don't know." - Riot

Basically the stance Riot is taking on it in that case. It's fine, got the answer to my question.

Not really. One of the issues is that there was no policy concerning ID bans. It was an indefinite suspension, with no guidelines on how/when/etc it would either be reviewed or changed to perm ID ban.

It is true that T1s popularity helped him, but the straw was Riot Sanjuro's comments. It isnt suprising that they decided to review and finalize a process soon after the incident.

Chermorg8 votes

I am unsure as to why you keep acting like the victim here. You, through your own actions, got yourself the highest level of punishment normally applied to someone. Tyler1 got an even higher and more severe punishment, reformed for it, and you’re saying “but but but he has an account!” There comes a time he’s been punished enough. Riot obviously thinks that time has come. It appears you are disagreeing with that due to the fact you are unhappy over your own ban.

Derenik2 votes

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and the way Riot handles the account he's on, throwing out the victim insult to justify your arguement is low of you. I am fine with getting my ban, and understand why I did, or I wouldn't have kept playing this game. I wanted an answer to why he has the account (with or without rewards) he has when it shouldn't be possible. The answer is Tyler managed to fool Riot and kept his account anyway. Let's leave it at that.

PresBushDid7113 votes

{quoted}

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and the way Riot handles the account he's on, throwing out the victim insult to justify your arguement is low of you. I am fine with getting my ban, and understand why I did, or I wouldn't have kept playing this game. I wanted an answer to why he has the account (with or without rewards) he has when it shouldn't be possible. The answer is Tyler managed to fool Riot and kept his account anyway. Let's leave it at that.

Aye, yes let's leave it at that. It's obvious you aren't looking for answers, just justification for feeling cheated. GL in season 8 summoner.

Chermorg6 votes

No, he did not fool Riot. Riot knows about all his accounts. They simply must have decided it is not worth it in this instance to ban this one.

As I said, there comes a time that someone has been punished enough for their actions.

Derenik1 votes

"If he made one, played ranked to get rewards, and flew “under the radar” until the end of his ID ban, that account would not have been banned when he revealed it to Riot (or on stream)." You said.

And now you say they know about all his accounts. Your argument is falling apart. So yes, he did fool Riot.

Anyway, I'm out. :)

Chermorg5 votes

As part of his unIDban, he was required to reveal all accounts to Riot. Thus, they can know about one, but not have detected it themselves. Their policy was to ban any accounts they detected. Given that under this scenario they only discovered this one upon Tyler telling them, they may very well have decided that his honesty merited reprieve from the punishment.

Riot has discretion. Humans, in applying a punishment, have discretion.

PresBushDid7113 votes

{quoted}

"If he made one, played ranked to get rewards, and flew “under the radar” until the end of his ID ban, that account would not have been banned when he revealed it to Riot (or on stream)." You said.

And now you say they knew about all his accounts. Your argument is falling apart. So yes, he did fool Riot.

Anyway, I'm out. :)

.... except that part of the lifting of the ID ban was for him to reveal his accounts.. as I mentioned before.

It's like talking to a wall, except with a wall things at least bounce back.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

He probably has accounts that he didn't stream with and that Riot didn't know about. They most certainly didn't unban any accounts that they knew about and banned.

Jo0o3 votes

The Tyler1 situation is bullshit, yes. But no, he did not get any of his banned accounts unbanned.

Anastaecia3 votes

Riot allowed him a couple of accounts that they knew about so he could PROVE he had reformed. How else would Riot know if he had reformed or not? They didn't send a Riot employee to his house to keep tabs on him for 2 weeks or something. Think about it.

Arcade Lulu3 votes

Sorry to burst your bubble but Tyler never got his banned accounts back

The Cream Reaper3 votes

(This is not a Tyler1 bash or praise post. I don't watch him, just know of him. This is a question for Riot.)

All I know is that he got a forever ban at some point and now he is unbanned cause he's reformed. All is good and well, but I just saw that the account he is on has a Diamond border on one of his streams and it's lvl 73. That means that he either got unbanned before the preseason or he got his account back since he has the border, which if I'm not wrong is rewards you don't get if you get banned etc.

so you admit that you don't know what you're talking about but you're going to complain about what you think the facts are

https://static.superdeluxe.com/dankland/generators/never-go-full-retard.jpg

thefourtysn2 votes

I would have to say he actually reformed and deserve the unbanned compared to you being selfish and using him as a excuse for being un-ban :))) no flame.

FKNinjagod2 votes

Yeah I love the “zero tolerance” for flaming or slurs or negativity but tyler1 still has his. It’s cause I don’t stream and promote the game like he does I guess. my account I’ve had since season 2 and spent hundreds of dollars on is gone because I had a couple kids flame and report me in two games. Good points. Totally fair and just system.

Cocho1 votes

tyler1 one made a video talking about how he isnt going to play league anymore while he was banned. He said something like, "if riot doesnt want me playing their amazing game then I wont" He had that account, and if you look at the 1t1t1t1t1t (something like that) adccount, he leveled up that account over the weeked when he got unbanned. He had a couple hundred normal games, most of them on draven.

He did not get any permanently banned accounts back.

BigBellBrute1 votes

The only thing lifted was the ban on sight order.
He did not get his banned accounts back.
So no. It is not two faced for anyone not to get their banned accounts back.

Xidphel1 votes

Did Tyler1 get his account back instead of having to make a new one?

No

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