"Your playing so badly that you making me toxic, so I should actually report you for toxicity because you are inherently creating it"
A philosophical toxic miss fortune told me this today, and I have myself thinking, is she wrong?
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Kei1435 voteshttp://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/657/039/7fa.jpg
Cycle of toxicity continues.
Karunamon2 votes
Dragfin5 votes[{quoted}](name=CrazFight ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MKANEyzV,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-26T18:41:59.738+0000)
"Your playing so badly that you making me toxic, so I should actually report you for toxicity because you are inherently creating it"
A philosophical toxic miss fortune told me this today, and I have myself thinking, is she wrong?
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She is not wrong. In the current social climate though she is wrong. Most of the people being held accountable are those that respond poorly to the POS who ruin everything they touch and do nothing to improve themselves. We live in a society today where it's ok to suck at everything you do and not bear any personal responsibility. Why would it be any different in a video game where people like that can really thrive?
EvilDustMan4 votesShe is not wrong. In the current social climate though she is wrong. Most of the people being held accountable are those that respond poorly to the POS who ruin everything they touch and do nothing to improve themselves. We live in a society today where it's ok to suck at everything you do and not bear any personal responsibility. Why would it be any different in a video game where people like that can really thrive?
You must be great fun at parties.
Dragfin3 votesYou must be great fun at parties.
Can't counter so you make a meaningless comment?
HalcyonDweller4 votesCan't counter so you make a meaningless comment?
It's not that they can't counter, it's that they don't want to waste their time with it. Your comment has a lot to unpack in it, not everyone who disagrees with it is going to be willing to go through all the extra efforts required to unpack it and analyze it.
Karunamon1 votesIn which case they should remain silent rather than posting unsubstantive pithy comments that in no way advance the discussion.
HalcyonDweller1 votesIn which case they should remain silent rather than posting unsubstantive pithy comments that in no way advance the discussion.
I agree with you. I already downvoted the Dustman's comment.
I was simply countering the obvious argumentative power play. Dragfin doesn't have a leg to stand on here where they try to act superior.
Dragfin1 votesIt's not that they can't counter, it's that they don't want to waste their time with it. Your comment has a lot to unpack in it, not everyone who disagrees with it is going to be willing to go through all the extra efforts required to unpack it and analyze it.
LOL. Thanks for the funny. Empty excuses.
HalcyonDweller1 votesYou made a silly power play. It was wrong and shitty, so I countered it. No big deal.
I don't have to approve of their comment to disapprove of yours.
HalcyonDweller3 votesShe is not wrong. In the current social climate though she is wrong. Most of the people being held accountable are those that respond poorly to the POS who ruin everything they touch and do nothing to improve themselves. We live in a society today where it's ok to suck at everything you do and not bear any personal responsibility. Why would it be any different in a video game where people like that can really thrive?
Actually she is wrong. Even in a climate where people wouldn't get away with being a "POS" as you put it, it wouldn't be right to take anger out on people who play poorly.
Honestly it's more of an issue of Riot not creating boundaries between players who are competitive and players who play casually. There should be separate queues for these two types of players. Normals and Ranked don't count. Ranked doesn't have restrictions in place that could effectively keep casual players out of the queue.
Players have every right to get frustrated at times, but taking that frustration out on teammates is never a good option, regardless of the social climate.
Tuition Fee2 votesThis. Hypothetically, let us say that I stole a piece of gum from you. You proceed to stab me. It does not excuse my poor behavior, but neither does it excuse your behavior.
If someone ints in LoL, that's their problem. Saying it creates toxicity does not excuse anyone from flaming them, because they always have the option to stay calm and report them after the game, instead of verbally abusing them.
HalcyonDweller2 votes[{quoted}](name=Tuition Fee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MKANEyzV,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-06-26T21:30:54.141+0000)
This. Hypothetically, let us say that I stole a piece of gum from you. You proceed to stab me. It does not excuse my poor behavior, but neither does it excuse your behavior.
If someone ints in LoL, that's their problem. Saying it creates toxicity does not excuse anyone from flaming them, because they always have the option to stay calm and report them after the game, instead of verbally abusing them.
Precisely, I'm glad someone understands what I'm trying to say.
Dragfin1 votesActually she is wrong. Even in a climate where people wouldn't get away with being a "POS" as you put it, it wouldn't be right to take anger out on people who play poorly.
Honestly it's more of an issue of Riot not creating boundaries between players who are competitive and players who play casually. There should be separate queues for these two types of players. Normals and Ranked don't count. Ranked doesn't have restrictions in place that could effectively keep casual players out of the queue.
Players have every right to get frustrated at times, but taking that frustration out on teammates is never a good option, regardless of the social climate.
I agree casuals should be separated somehow. But it will never happen because developers depend on these players to line their pockets.
People might not take out their frustration on people if they knew that those people were being held accountable somehow. They aren't AT ALL and I believe that's why people vent that frustration.
The genre of game that we play here is an environment of competition. Casuals make their own rules because they either can't understand that or won't understand that and think that everyone should think the way that they do.
If you are not a competitive gamer then IMO you should not be playing a competitive game.
But it's a gamers right to play whatever they want. I just ask that they understand what they are playing. Most casuals don't want to even try and understand that and ruin games because they have their own set of rules that they think people should abide by and when someone calls them on it, they lose they minds when it's their fault to begin with.
HalcyonDweller1 votesActually it would be fairly easy to change the ranked requirements with the start of next season, just require people to have won 3 games with a particular champion in order to be able to play that champion in ranked. That would go a long way towards reducing casuals ruining ranked.
AeroWaffle5 votesSucking at the game is its own punishment. You lose more games. Why is it people feel like it's their duty to try and make the game even more unenjoyable for others just because they do poorly in a video game?
We have people insulting others over a video game. A video game. I'm sorry but if you feel strongly enough over a singular match in a video game enough to call someone a piece of shit over it you need to step back and calm down.
Dragfin1 votesSucking at the game is its own punishment. You lose more games. Why is it people feel like it's their duty to try and make the game even more unenjoyable for others just because they do poorly in a video game?
We have people insulting others over a video game. A video game. I'm sorry but if you feel strongly enough over a singular match in a video game enough to call someone a piece of shit over it you need to step back and calm down.
I see you didn't read my post and are making excuses. I never said responding was right. In fact I said responding poorly to people who ruin games. You miss the big picture of life my friend. Society does in fact give these type of people free passes and never holds them accountable to do better. You just did that in your post by saying the punishment is you lose more games. Why is that ok to subject four other people to that failure? Why is it so hard for someone to recognize that maybe what they are doing is not their strength and move on to something that is. If they did that then their selfishness would not affect others.
AeroWaffle1 votesI think you're missing the big picture actually.
This is a video game, a recreational activity. This is not your job, this is not an activity like driving where your actions can harm or endanger the life of others, nor is it something where a different persons ineptitude at the game can affect how much capital you have (as a league account is legally worth nothing).
It's a video game. More specifically it's a team game and you win and lose as a team. Riot has done what it can to reward individual skill by adding in a grade system but they are not going to push away players from playing a game just because you don't like having a teammate that's doing poorly. Riot does their best to ensure that matches are filled with members of the same skill level with the matchmaking system but with so many variables it can only go so far.
If you want to completely control the quality of your teammates maybe you should find a ranked team to construct or join and restrict yourself to 5v5 flex.
Dragfin1 votesI think you're missing the big picture actually.
This is a video game, a recreational activity. This is not your job, this is not an activity like driving where your actions can harm or endanger the life of others, nor is it something where a different persons ineptitude at the game can affect how much capital you have (as a league account is legally worth nothing).
It's a video game. More specifically it's a team game and you win and lose as a team. Riot has done what it can to reward individual skill by adding in a grade system but they are not going to push away players from playing a game just because you don't like having a teammate that's doing poorly. Riot does their best to ensure that matches are filled with members of the same skill level with the matchmaking system but with so many variables it can only go so far.
If you want to completely control the quality of your teammates maybe you should find a ranked team to construct or join and restrict yourself to 5v5 flex.
Again you make your own rules.
Read the Summoners code.
Casuals violate it all the time.
I will call them out for doing so.
If you can't abide by how RIOT wants the game to be played then don't play or get called out for ruining games.
I have zero use for those who get through life on other peoples coat tails.
In anything I do.
I feel bad for you if that lesson was never taught to you.
AeroWaffle1 votesWhat part of the summoners code are you accusing casuals of violating?
Dragfin1 votesWhat part of the summoners code are you accusing casuals of violating?
Play as a team, win as a team.
Never feed intentionally and don't give up the fight.
Casuals constantly violate both of these especially giving up game after game after game.
DearPear2 votesPlay as a team, win as a team.
Never feed intentionally and don't give up the fight.
Casuals constantly violate both of these especially giving up game after game after game.
In what world being a casual means giving up games? As long as you're trying you're following the summoner's code.
Dragfin1 votesIn what world being a casual means giving up games? As long as you're trying you're following the summoner's code.
don't give up the fight doesn't say forfeit when the need suits you.
Stop making up rules.
AeroWaffle1 votesI'm pretty sure there's nothing in the summoners code that states that you are not suppose to use the surrender vote.
Dragfin1 votesI'm pretty sure there's nothing in the summoners code that states that you are not suppose to use the surrender vote.
There you go making up rules again.
It specifically says don't give up the fight.
AeroWaffle1 votesAnd you're choosing to interpret it as never using the surrender tool. I'm choosing to interpret it as giving up outside the surrender tool despite the team's desire to continue the game. And I'm pretty sure my interpretation is the correct one given that the surrender tool exists in the first place.
Let me ask you a question, if Riot didn't want people to use the surrender tool, why is it there? It's not like chat where it has many uses both good and bad. The surrender tool is exclusively used to surrender.
Dragfin1 votesAnd you're choosing to interpret it as never using the surrender tool. I'm choosing to interpret it as giving up outside the surrender tool despite the team's desire to continue the game. And I'm pretty sure my interpretation is the correct one given that the surrender tool exists in the first place.
Let me ask you a question, if Riot didn't want people to use the surrender tool, why is it there? It's not like chat where it has many uses both good and bad. The surrender tool is exclusively used to surrender.
We are not talking about RIOT and how they contradict themselves. We are talking about the actual code and what it says. You are changing the subject. IE, making your owns rules again.
AeroWaffle1 votesSo you're ignoring the fact that the surrender tool exists just so you can claim that people are breaking the summoners code.
This conversation is pointless, have a nice day.
Dragfin1 votesSo you're ignoring the fact that the surrender tool exists just so you can claim that people are breaking the summoners code.
This conversation is pointless, have a nice day.
It becomes pointless when you wish to change the subject because you have nothing to refute the original conversation.
ModUlanopo5 votes"Your playing so badly that you making me toxic, so I should actually report you for toxicity because you are inherently creating it"
Having been flamed for taking Heal over Exhaust as a support, I find that many definitions of "poor play" are highly subjective.
dnsup2 votesYes. She's wrong.
ZaneShadow2 votesYes, she's wrong, but it also is important that you understand bad play does actively frustrate players and you should always strive to do your best. After that, ya, it's just the MF being toxic with you innocent.
Eternal Torment1 votesShe has a point. Most flames begin with bad plays from a teammate...
I mean, from a certain perspective, she is right. But then again, only from a certain perspective. It is an opinion, to some it is true, to some it is false, to some it is facts, to others just a superstition.
We will never really know.
DearPear1 votesThere's a huge difference between causality and responsability.
And even then you couldn't be possibly the cause of one's toxicity (besides yours) as it's something that comes from within the toxic person. You can be a catalyst for their toxicity, but you can't bring out something that isn't already there. You're merely an excuse for them to be toxic.
