Permaban Justice

iSoldMyPetForRP·Apr 16, 2016·6 votes·1,148 views

Sooo, I just got permabanned, pretty nice, been 2 days since i was released of my 2 week ban. Pretty cool I guess, lost a couple hundred dollars a few hundred hours yada yada. However, the reason I got banned, totally wasn't close to fair. Yeah I know you've heard this all before, but I got reported for saying "its like they have a mental disorder" pretty bad I guess, but, one of my team mates was yelling constantly "FUCK YOU RETARDED FUCK" and what, no perma ban for him? I really dont understand league these days. I'm not saying I don't deserve a ban, well I really don't but everyone's so sensitive these days, but I do not deserve to be permabanned. Thoughts?

43 Comments

WolfessApr 16, 20163 votes

well you had just gotten off a 2-week ban, so you should have watched yourself. as for the other person, you should have just muted and reported and moved on. you don't know how many previous violations the other guy has, or if other people are reporting them or not, so you have no guarantee that just your report is going to going to get them a suspension or not.

and that, literally, is how to not get yourself in trouble and help keep the turds off the game.

yeulxApr 16, 20163 votes

Dont retalliate just mute them.... Simple... all rioters would say the exact same thing... just learn to ignore those types of people instead of being toxic.. generally if u retaliate say soemthing that has the ability to offend anyone any way.. ull still get banned and depending on what u say depends on how quickly u get banned and what not if im right...... ive had it happen to me i havnt had any punishments yet tho so ive just ignore them because they will most likely just stop

RedTaoApr 16, 20161 votes

You can agree with said toxic person that (insert any insult that can be directed at you) and you can still be banned for being negative. Cant defend yourself, cant agree with them.

BeatzBoyFTWApr 17, 20163 votes

Mute, not talk back. That's how you defend yourself.

RedTaoApr 17, 20161 votes

Tried that. Still got the 'you've been reported' popup. saying nothing doesn't do anything to stop people getting offended and reporting.

GaleWinUnleashedApr 18, 20161 votes

They can get offended all they like. If you don't say anything back they can't make it stick.

RedTaoApr 18, 20161 votes

That's the thing. I got banned for saying something that had nothing to do with the rest of the team. While it had nothing to do with them, they were apperantly offended by it, regardless if there was nothing to be offended by.

BeatzBoyFTWApr 18, 20161 votes

You're talking about the "You have been reported" box instead of a "You have receive a chat restriction/14 days suspension" box right?

Then that's nothing serious. It's just a simple notification that someone clicked a report on you. As long as you did not do anything as bad as what they described you on the report list, then you're safe.

RedTaoApr 18, 20161 votes

BeatzBoyFTWApr 19, 20161 votes

Then it's best not to even mention it at all. Unless if you can provide a full screenshot.

RedTaoApr 19, 20161 votes

I did that. People seem to have this idea that it was deserved. It's been 3-4 months and I still don't get it. Riot's pretty much stopped trying to explain it and people here just either say I'm too stupid to get it or just say 'it just is'.

Sythriel DrakenApr 16, 20162 votes

They will not be punished only because riots punishment system will ignore that game, or at the very least chalk it up to 'one bad game' even if multiple people report him.

It's really easy to dodge any sort of punishments as all you really have to do is after a bad game that you really didn't say any sort of hate speech that stand out in riots mind (n word is about the only thing I've seen that is instant ban worthy) is have your next game or two really positive. it honestly just throws the system off, which is kinda stupid on the programming part. This has been based on reading chat logs other people have posted that have said they had been punished by the system and with my own feedback from roits system thanking me for reporting them and following of toxic players that i have reported using the spectate mode in op.gg sometimes.

RedTaoApr 16, 20161 votes

Odd that people would downvote you and do nothing to disprove you. It's almost like people don't like different opinions that have some possibility of merit.

EvilDustManApr 16, 20162 votes

Because that person may only get a chat restrictions if it was their first punishment. As you continued shortly after your 2 week ban, you were banned. If that player was saying such things and you rexported them, they WILL be punished.

iSoldMyPetForRPApr 16, 20162 votes

I dont know, no one has that kind of attitude their first time being toxic, this guy was a professional, trust me I know a toxic player when I see one

EvilDustManApr 16, 20161 votes

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I dont know, no one has that kind of attitude their first time being toxic, this guy was a professional, trust me I know a toxic player when I see one

That's what everyone says. Yet, people have to start somewhere. If you are correct, that person will be banned soon enough. But it isn't based on your punishment.

FrankerXApr 16, 20162 votes

http://puu.sh/nYj3V/a8dd92c149.png

this guy isnt doing that all the time like you. the system doesnt check "how bad" you are it checks "how many times are you bad". and you were bad a lot. while this guy wasnt.

last game i called on of my mates an idiot with 0 gameknowledge. was like my first insult in this whole month so yea. i think i can take it

iSoldMyPetForRPApr 16, 20161 votes

so i can call someone a "stupid fucking %%%% %%%%%% who needs to have his flesh peeled off and pushed into sawblades" once a month and nothing will happen?

FrankerXApr 16, 20162 votes

i cant tell if one of those words is racist or homophobia but if not, yes you can.

its like "this guy has a bad game... EVERY MONTH so thats ok" as long as you dont be racist or homophobia (which are reasons for insta permabans) you are good to go to do that once a month

but dont do it man lol. thats not cool

Junsui AoiApr 17, 20161 votes

Riot deems the %%%% to represent racist and homophobic slurs. So that's probably what he was trying to represent there.

EvilDustManApr 16, 20161 votes

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so i can call someone a "stupid fucking %%%% %%%%%% who needs to have his flesh peeled off and pushed into sawblades" once a month and nothing will happen?

No, eventually it will rack up over the month. But doing it once might earn you a chat restrictions, that's all. The fact is you weren't banned for just one game. You were banned for a history of toxic behavior.

dapositivevikingApr 17, 20161 votes

threats and hate speech (the censored part) can cause escalation to 14 day/permaban

AnomanderApr 19, 20161 votes

%%%% %%%%%%

is used by riot to block hate speech and can result in a perma ban on first instance.

DaenApr 19, 20161 votes

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http://puu.sh/nYj3V/a8dd92c149.png

this guy isnt doing that all the time like you. the system doesnt check "how bad" you are it checks "how many times are you bad". and you were bad a lot. while this guy wasnt.

last game i called on of my mates an idiot with 0 gameknowledge. was like my first insult in this whole month so yea. i think i can take it

To clarify, the system checks both how bad your behavior is and how often you display that behavior.

LuptoApr 16, 20162 votes

Honestly, if people don't want to get their feelings hurt they should get the hell off the internet because all it is, is trolls and haters. And the fact that when you do solo que for games you are outnumbered by a duo or a trio que that can get away with saying whatever they want and get away with gettin anyone banned that they want. SMH at this bullshit...

MikitiApr 16, 20162 votes

I think permaban makes no sense, yes this is a free game that you can play so you should proably respect their rules. But if you have paid some kind of money and if it is true that you spend so much money on that account you should never get permaban, yes half a year ban or one year ban, but not permaban that is just weird. Permabans should be only for people who are breaking the game, by hacking it.

o Maui oApr 16, 20161 votes

The people who are permanently banned for behavior are either 1) using hate speech, or 2) ignored repeated explanations and warnings that toxic behavior was not acceptable; first when they agreed to the EULA/TOS, then when their behavior resulted in a short chat restriction, then the longer chat restriction, and again with the 2-week ban. The temporary ban even comes with an email explicitly stating that the next infraction will result in a permanent ban.

It's like getting thrown out of a grocery store for screaming at other customers. It doesn't matter how much money you've spent there over the years, eventually if you keep disrupting the other customers you'll be banned from the store forever.

StickyOctopiApr 16, 20162 votes

My permaban was similar, got banned for "mumu has downs" as my worst line. Feels good to be banned for something so simple. Guess it was toxic enough to be permaed in riots eyes though.

You know how they said only .006% of players are toxic enough to be permabanned?

That's what pisses me off, because in 5 out of the 6 games I've played since returning there have been 1 or multiple people in the game being more toxic than what I got banned for.

If .006% was accurate, you'd only run into one every 1000 games or so, and that does not seem to be the case.

It's like they're lying.

iSoldMyPetForRPApr 17, 20161 votes

Its obviously a lie, every other game, one of the 10 people in the match is toxic.

IsoVhellApr 17, 20163 votes

Good glad you banned for saying that, it's not a fucking JOKE.

StickyOctopiApr 17, 20161 votes

I wasn't joking?

IsoVhellApr 18, 20161 votes

Zero fucks given whether you were joking or not, not cool say smarten the fuck up!

IsoVhellApr 16, 20162 votes

Glad you got banned you disrespectful little shit.

iSoldMyPetForRPApr 17, 20161 votes

Ah hypocrisy, nice one

IsoVhellApr 17, 20161 votes

Nope old fashioned and respectful there for I have to right to put people in their place.

FovereApr 18, 20162 votes

Was it a nice comment? No.

Is it worthy of some sort of punishment? Of course not.

It's absurd to pretend like any comment that is mildly disrespectful or insulting is somehow banworthy, or that context shouldn't matter.

That said, Riot apparently has taken their behavioral code into oppressive extremes, ironically while they simultaneously discuss how they want League to be social and an "esport". Well, in pretty much all social situations, and certainly in every competitive situation, People will say some not nice things. That's life and we should stop punishing people for being a part of it

o Maui oApr 18, 20161 votes

You mean circumstances, not context. In this case, the context is "being a jerk" and the circumstances are that he was not the only person being a jerk. This means that multiple people need to change their behavior, because the circumstances make the behavior understandable, but not excusable.

FovereApr 18, 20162 votes

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You mean circumstances, not context. In this case, the context is "being a jerk" and the circumstances are that he was not the only person being a jerk. This means that multiple people need to change their behavior, because the circumstances make the behavior understandable, but not excusable.

Actually I mean context.

The circumstance was someone going apeshit, spamming the chat in his game. The context was the comment being a response to the apeshittery.

Kei143Apr 16, 20161 votes

deserved or not, let your chat logs do the talking.

DREADN0UGHTApr 16, 20161 votes

you're a poopoo head.

jimbomanApr 17, 20161 votes

Well, let me just say what I have said many times before. You are responsible for your own actions, you should no concern on what others are doing. He was responsible for his, and you are responsible for yours.

AnomanderApr 19, 20161 votes

Using a possible disability as a insult? Yeah that deserves a ban.

Caffeine PusherApr 19, 20161 votes

It might make you feel a bit better if you just take them to court for the money you put into the game, especially if it's in the hundreds to thousand+ dollar range. That is, assuming you can document how much you spent (via emails, credit card statements, etc). You can just go file as a small claim at your local county or district court, and don't even need an attorney. Honestly, I think this is the only way to make Riot rethink their approach to account discipline: literally make them pay for attempting to defraud players of money invested.