Riot needs to do something about this.

Emperør Rhaast··29 votes·9,816 views

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I queued support. We get into champ select. Then suddenly, the jungler types, "I'm supp btw", and insta-locks Lux. The adc says "we're premade", a simply horrible excuse to stealing somebody's role, and I'm left with three choices; stay adamant and go support anyway, resulting in a certain loss, dodge, give this Lux what she wants, and lose lp (plus waste my friend's time since I was duoing), or play jungle and perhaps win.

I just took the L and played the jungle came. Quite fortunately, I play jungle pretty often. So even though I was reluctant, it wasn't much of a problem for me to take the role. However, if this had happened to some poor support main who's never played a game of jungle in their life, it would've been a tragic game. It truly does feel like you're being conned out of your role - which you more or less are.

(If you were wondering, we did win the game. I went 6/0 or so, botlane lost, lux was just trashtalking all game.)

Something does need to be done about this. I am certain that this Lux will face absolutely zero punishment for her actions, and each and every time she gets autofilled, she will do it again, and again, until at one point, she'll force someone who never plays jungle into the role and spell disaster for her team.

I don't even know how she manages to be autofilled as a support main, considering it gives you autofill protection.

I reported her after the game for griefing and unsportsmanlike behavior. Will she be punished? No. Even if I sent a support ticket in nothing would happen. It is BLATANT griefing and trolling, yet because it only happened in champion select, her K/DA, build, and all of that were relatively normal, she won't be punished.

And yet, had I lost my temper at her and told her off in chat, I would've been the one facing penalities.

Isn't that odd?

58 Comments

AIQ5 votes

Make sure to report both of them not just one you can still report Siv using a ticket, should they proceed to do that and more people report them for it. It will catch on and they will be punished. Who knows they might have already received a chat restriction or something for it.

Tokishi75 votes

The people defending the Lux and blaming him are probably people that do this same shit. He literally was just trying to play the role he queued for and got griefed lol. His only option was to dodge or play jungle.

rujitra4 votes

Because role trading is a thing. You were complicit in it when you willingly took jungle giving up your role of support. They could've still chosen to go jungle between the time they picked and the end of the lobby. Yet you took that choice away from them by stealing their assigned role back.

What can you do? Force them to steal it in game. It isn't stealing until they steal your assigned role in game. Period. Riot is not going to do away with role trading simply so you can feel better about getting people punished for what "may have happened" in game had you not taken jungle for them.

RebeccaUCuber2 votes

They could've still chosen to go jungle between the time they picked

ehm no? You can see it in the image that Lux has locked into her...

rujitra1 votes

And that person has the right to go lux jungle. Champions are not role locked in league, period.

Boppas7 votes

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And that person has the right to go lux jungle. Champions are not role locked in league, period.

Link me a video of lux jungle please

RyzeRework5 votes

https://youtu.be/cPCebieEaAg sorry you asked for it

rujitra1 votes

For that to happen, there would have to be someone who played it. Since you require a "video", that person wouldn't be able to play Lux Jungle - thus such a video could not exist.

You literally have asked for the impossible - it's a paradox. Because if a video exists, it shouldn't, because they would've had to "link a video". It's a chicken and egg problem that you're making - there is no answer.

If you're going to discuss, at least make a logical discussion please.

Firearm20199 votes

are you okay? You're honestly typing nonsense.

rujitra1 votes

Explain how, if trying something new requires there to be a preexisting video, there would ever be that video?

You are saying that for chickens to exist I must provide proof of an egg existing. That is a paradox.

Proud2bYelow3 votes

this guy is a board troll do not feed him, he is in dire need of attention and does this stunt in any thread

RebeccaUCuber6 votes

Not that they are locked, but they dont have the resources to do well in specific roles or for certain builds. I'd love a soraka adc, but i'll probably get reported and i'd deserve it. Not any champion is suited for everything. You seem really confused, i mean, like you're desperetly trying to defende that lux with random arguments that just are...unreliable? I mean, we clearly all saw the locked image, so now you change you statement saying he can just lux jung...

rujitra1 votes

Except in reality there isn’t champions who can’t jungle. It being harder doesn’t mean crap. It’s harder to jungle as most other champions than Shaco. But that doesn’t mean everyone else can’t jungle.

You don’t get to draw the line, nor does the OP, nor does anyone else. You are free to have your opinion as to what is best to play, and when you play jungle you can take that into account. You do not get to see another players champion and force your opinion on them by taking jungle from them.

RebeccaUCuber4 votes

But the problem here is that jungle efficiency is NOT an opinion, but objective things. You can even analyze this things with data. Jungler clear. Possible path shortcuts. Ganking Potential. Early Sustain.

This are not opinions...this and more are clear and simple measurments that put every champion is a desirable or not desirable position about jungling. Like attack speed and Dps is an adc requirment to be...an adc. I'm not saying it's impossible to Lux jungle, i say that it's obectivly harder to jungle with her cos she hasn't anything in her kit that helps her in jungle like a Nunu q or a Lee Sin's W.

With the OP Testimony, and the auto-lock Lux (without smite) there's not even a slight chance that player was gonna play jungle. Opinions are free, refusing to see reality is different.

rujitra1 votes

It is an opinion. You have to draw the line somewhere between champions that can and cannot jungle. You will inevitably draw the line in a different place from others.

Of course they wouldnt take smite when they see OP hovering smite.

ADC is a class of champion not a role. You are not obligated to go an ADC bot lane.

Nightsky Pirate3 votes

It's been shown time and time again that using a strategy that requires the team to be on the same page- but doing so without consent- is an offense. In this case, the jungle role playing support.

If buying mobility boots is an objective way to measure someone inting, being assigned jungle and not taking smite is by far a much more objective indicator of inting. Rujita should know what I'm talking About with the Mobi boots. The rest of you, I'll link if you need it.

rujitra1 votes

It doesn’t require the team to be on board. It requires they attempt to communicate with and work with the team in game.

The teammates do not get to override their choice period. So long as they make an attempt to work with them in game, they are not in the wrong. But they never got in game with it because the OP took jungle.

Proud2bYelow3 votes

don't bother with this guy he is just a troll and likes to be against anyone who starts a thread.

Diopsideˆ9 votes

{quoted}

Because role trading is a thing. You were complicit in it when you willingly took jungle giving up your role of support. They could've still chosen to go jungle between the time they picked and the end of the lobby. Yet you took that choice away from them by stealing their assigned role back.

What can you do? Force them to steal it in game. It isn't stealing until they steal your assigned role in game. Period. Riot is not going to do away with role trading simply so you can feel better about getting people punished for what "may have happened" in game had you not taken jungle for them.

So wrong on entire level.

Tele II3 votes

Yeah, thats fucked up. I wouldve, in typical "okay lets watch the world burn together" fashion, stayed support and just not said a word the whole game while supporting the adc with an extra support lol. Probably wouldve lost. Oh well. Id report and move on. For those who bite the bullet for the greater good (good on you, btw), there needs to be some sort of consolation or comfort. Comfort in knowing that this is not allowed. I hope you reported the lux. I agree that she PROBABLY wont be punished, but I really hope she does, because thats not okay. So yes, I agree. I hope Riot does something about that.

However, I dont know why you find it odd that if you flamed her, you would be punished. Thats not odd at all. Breaking the rules results in punishments. Youve already outlined why lux may get away with it. So you should also recognize why someone flaming wouldnt get away with it. Its not odd, its just easy to identify chat offenses. And someone else breaking the rules first, should never permit others to break the rules in response.

RyzeRework1 votes

Lol I do that shit too. If your not having fun noones having fun. Lock in that teemo support and just afk in the middle of the lane

ihateyouallmuted3 votes

ah, the "normal blind" champion select method

OneMustFall3 votes

When someone does this and you honestly care enough or really don't want to trade roles, then just play your role. If they don't switch sums at the last second and actually steal your role, you can report them. You might still win the game anyway but you now have them actively trolling you. Otherwise it's not reportable cause you're agreeing to switch with them in champ select in order to "avoid a loss". Most of the time people who do this dodge at the last second anyway but if they go through with it don't play the chicken game with them and let them do what they're gonna do.

Proud2bYelow1 votes

this exactly!!! if that person is adamant on taking roles just play what you are assigned and report afterwards. Actually you can soft int that game to make it end faster, because soft inting playstyle will never be punished by riot since hard inters do not get punished in months.

Emperør Rhaast1 votes

Soft inting IS punished, just not often. I actually soft inted a game a few years ago and received a 14 day ban about a day later. I was very impressed with Riot to say the least considering the reputation they get for not banning inters. I'm not gonna ruin the game for 3 people just because someone decided to hijack champion select.

Emperør Rhaast2 votes

I'm not agreeing to anything. I was FORCED to play a role I didn't queue up for because my only other options were to dodge or lose.

OneMustFall1 votes

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I'm not agreeing to anything. I was FORCED to play a role I didn't queue up for because my only other options were to dodge or lose.

As others have said, nobody is forcing you to do anything. I have never played a role I didn't want to if someone tried to hijack my role. Again, for all you know they may have dodged at the last second as this happens 90% of the time someone does this in my champ selects. It's highly unlikely they want to lose either or go into a game without a jungle so if they see you're not going to budge, they will either dodge or at least take smite on their champion. But if you switch to jungle, you're conceding your role to them. You played their game of chicken and lost. Not saying they're not dicks for doing that kind of stuff but it's not reportable because for all you know, they could just have switched to Smite and played Lux Jungle. It might have worked or it might not but they're allowed to play what they want.

Emperør Rhaast2 votes

I was very much forced. Had I stayed firm and locked a support anyway and gone three man bot lane, we would have lost due to lack of a jungler and I would be the one punished with LP loss. And if I do this, I'm just as much of a troll as the Lux was in champ select. She was very clearly not planning to go Lux jungle. I am conceding my role because I was put in a hostage situation and I had no other choice.

OneMustFall1 votes

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I was very much forced. Had I stayed firm and locked a support anyway and gone three man bot lane, we would have lost due to lack of a jungler and I would be the one punished with LP loss. And if I do this, I'm just as much of a troll as the Lux was in champ select. She was very clearly not planning to go Lux jungle. I am conceding my role because I was put in a hostage situation and I had no other choice.

I mean you can keep playing the "victim" card if you wish. Riot isn't going to do anything about scenarios like this or agree with your viewpoint that you were forced to switch roles so there's not really much else to say. You were told what you're expected to do in scenarios like this and if you choose to do otherwise, you have nothing to complain about.

Emperør Rhaast2 votes

I'm not playing the victim card one bit. Unless I wanted to lose, which is against the summoners' code if you weren't aware, my only options were to dodge or let Lux grief and play jungle, which I ended up doing. I didn't want to dodge and A. face an LP and time penalty for a game that could've and was won, and B. keep my friend who I was duoing with waiting.

MysticalRaven3 votes

I can't understand how people are legitimately trying to justify that Lux's actions. I'd be willing to bet these same people would rage or feed if it happened to them.

blindasleep2 votes

I'm personally with the watch the world burn people. Lock Veigar "support" and nuke all the farm you can, shouldn't hit the poaching cap because the Lux and her buddy would both have to go for what they could get to counteract you, only response if they complained in chat is I was assigned support and must follow orders. Games full of pro trolls, but I'm a pro asshole.

Emperør Rhaast2 votes

I did consider it, but it was a ranked game and I didn't really want to lose my LP. It was sure tempting but in the long run it's much more beneficial to just go jungle especially considering I can actually play jungle decently. Besides, if I had caved and gone 3 man bot lane, I would pretty much be no better than the Lux.

rujitra1 votes

Uh? No? Because for all Riot knows, lux was going to go lux jungle (her right to play off meta if she wants), but then she went support because she saw you having smite.

Emperør Rhaast2 votes

No she didnt. She instalocked, and I switched to smite later. It's clear she only did this cause she got autofilled or offroled and wanted to play with her duo bf.

rujitra1 votes

Funny - you had smite selected BEFORE you picked your champion.

Don't lie.

Emperør Rhaast1 votes

I switched to smite just before taking the screenshot.

rujitra1 votes

So you admit to taking smite when you weren't assigned jungle? To be honest, you took their role too - you didn't even give them the chance to switch to smite - you simply took their role.

Emperør Rhaast2 votes

What? They autolocked Lux jungle with ignite. So after deciding I didn't have a choice other than taking the role on myself, I switched to smite and picked a jungler. They had smite on before locking in, they switched to ignite a second later.

rujitra2 votes

You did have a choice. You chose to take jungle and allow them to have support.

Emperør Rhaast2 votes

I didn't choose. Had I been picking before them then I would've locked a support and let them troll. But I wasn't, Lux locked in with ignite, so I had to go jungle. Had I not gone jungle I could've been liable for a suspension for trolling, even if I was the one who was was trolled first.

rujitra1 votes

You can never be punished for going your assigned role, period. The fact you’re attempt to justify you stealing their role because “they did it first” is contrary to every rule in League - it doesn’t matter that they did it first. You would not have been punished for going your assigned role, period. No matter what other players did:

blindasleep1 votes

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You can never be punished for going your assigned role, period. The fact you’re attempt to justify you stealing their role because “they did it first” is contrary to every rule in League - it doesn’t matter that they did it first. You would not have been punished for going your assigned role, period. No matter what other players did:

Technically correct, as long as you didn't do anything else punishable you were free to go support and report them after for trying to force and if they did anything punishable during game.

blindasleep1 votes

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I did consider it, but it was a ranked game and I didn't really want to lose my LP. It was sure tempting but in the long run it's much more beneficial to just go jungle especially considering I can actually play jungle decently. Besides, if I had caved and gone 3 man bot lane, I would pretty much be no better than the Lux.

Fair point. Pretty sure I can't jungle for shit, and to me people trying to force a swap without discussion is akin to bullying so I wont stand for it. I might apologize to everyone else, but collateral damage happens.

Proud2bYelow1 votes

what is the poaching cap for supports? cos I see a lot of shitty veigar supports q-ing minions in adc's face

blindasleep1 votes

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what is the poaching cap for supports? cos I see a lot of shitty veigar supports q-ing minions in adc's face

Something like 20 in 5 minutes I believe.

Summoner SpeII1 votes

i woulda gone full nubrac and go join them bot lane as teemo with ignite with 3 bot lane and deny the enemy adc farm ;) omg new meta 3 bot lane get my riot friend to ban the haters that'll teach them from autolocking lux support

C0l0urless1 votes

They could add an official role swap system which would function like champion trading does in ARAM. If someone stole your role you would just go to your assigned lane, play out the game and the role stealer would receive an instant griefing ban after the game.

The thigh guy1 votes

Stuff like this is gonna keep happening until riot makes jungle worth playing again.

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