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Blaming the jungler.

Emperør Rhaast·11/6/2019, 7:36:53 AM·16 votes·12,126 views

I just came out of a game with a TF midlaner that got ganked twice, then proceeded to lose lane against Malphite extremely hard. (I'd also liek to mention that he build AD despite the fact that we had no other ap champions.)

And who was to blame? Me, of course, who was playing Kayn. I responded by counterjungling and taking all of the enemy jungle camps but that didn't satisfy my midlaner. He demanded I countergank even though with the enemy mid and jungle so fed it would result in a double kill, and proceeded to blame me in chat the whole game.

I muted after about 5 minutes of listening to his bs. It is no fun at all to play jungle, and have to listen to whiny laners blame you for every littel thing that goes wrong.

The morale of the story?

You won't improve if you blame every single mistake you make on your jungler, or anyone else, even something like lag or bad luck. There is a difference between dying to a gank and thinking "damn, I should've warded," and thinking "my jungler really sucks". Especially if you speak out on it. There is nothing more demoralizing and downright annoying to a jungler than a laner flaming and blaming you for their slip ups.

If you look back on your own mistakes, then you can learn from them and get better at the game. If you're stuck forever blaming somebody else for your mistakes, then you'll be stuck in the same rabbit hole of blaming, flaming, and never getting better.

55 Comments

Skýcrow11/6/2019, 12:58:55 PM4 votes

The way you described it sounds like Low elo. Just mute all, people will consistently blame you for their fault because as arrogant this might sound to others. It's low elo. Only rarely do i find "low elo" players who are actually humble and blame themself for doing mistakes. 99% they don't understand why x thing happens, and they consistently tell themself x guy should have done x thing to prevent x thing to happen. Just mute all and focus. Also it's not like people never change, it's just if you stay in "low elo" you won't see the change because new players get into it, while veterans who learned about their faults climb the ladder, i include plat in this area btw with "low elo" There are obviously Players in this Elo Iron-diamond that do not do this, and will climb over time probably, just then you won't see them anymore in your games because they are much Higher in Elo now

ClevelandfCj11/6/2019, 7:41:39 AM3 votes

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Azurereaper11/6/2019, 8:08:16 AM3 votes

You're playing Kayn... why are you not ganking the fuck out of everyone with you busted ability to move through walls?

It just sounds like your a terrible jungler.

TeodorusofNoxus11/6/2019, 8:12:17 AM3 votes

That is why I play from the disposition that I have NO jungler. I play as though I am in a perma 2 v 1. In lane you have to be ready to 2 v 1 and not whine. If the enemy jg level 2 cheese works I play safe and use the enemy's overconfidence to kill them in a huge wave or under my tower. Sometimes my own jg makes bigger plays on mid or bot and that makes me happy. I honor such junglers and believe that as a top laner you are expected to do 2 v 1 and go 1 for 1 at least. We have to admit that there are horrible junglers who do nothing, then miss smites on top of that. However, I agree, as a lane player, that just because the jg doesn't gank, does not mean he is bad. From what you describe you did well.

teto god supp11/6/2019, 7:40:24 AM3 votes

Literally everything is the mid laners fault, not jungle.

This is common knowledge.

AdamrCc11/6/2019, 2:02:27 PM3 votes

What mistake? You literally freeze the wave and still get dived instead of receiving a gank from your own jungler and it makes it very difficult to lane as perma ganking junglers lose nothing in the current meta.

In fact, if you aren't playing Lee, Elise, or Jarvan in this day and age you're doing it wrong.

Tayzzer11/6/2019, 5:32:05 PM3 votes

Do your best to climb mr kayn. People who blame their teams dont climb as often so you can leave them all behind. Also yeah just mute them and realize that they are wrong so their flame doesnt matter

Starcraft243ver11/6/2019, 6:25:34 PM2 votes

I muted after about 5 minutes of listening to his bs.

Mute after the first message, you'll feel better.

14daysuspensionk11/6/2019, 11:35:57 AM2 votes

It's kinda sad that some people in this game barely understand most basic morals. Morals intended for kids and to make you a better person.

Emperor Talquin11/6/2019, 10:04:54 AM2 votes

Laners just forget to use the map and expect ganks. When i am jg main and when i play top i use my vision whenever i can, i track the enemy jungler and i expect a gank to happen often. It's not difficult ro avoid ganks but the idiots who main lanes play too aggressive and forget junglers exist. Don't listen to those dogs who can't use the map. Just focus on what you're doing.

LightswornLance11/6/2019, 10:29:40 PM1 votes

Just look at your laners as NPC's. They don't play like players so don't treat them like such. Take every single possible resource, dont let them take your camps or buffs, take side lane waves while they are araming down mid. Show up to a few team fights and dominate them. I do this as Mundo and I can carry most games in low elo. Make sure you are counter jungling well, and killing the enemy jungler in his own jungle if you develop a lead to push it even further. Both Mundo and Kayn clear camps fast and can full clear before scuttle spawns so make sure you are taking advantage of this. One of my classic plays as Mundo is to put a control ward on the bush next to the enemies red or blue around 5 minutes and go about my business on the map till the buff turns gold and you know its about to respawn (around about 6:40) for the first time. If you have redsmite you can usually kill them there and take that entire side of the jungle and just snow ball from there. It might be a bit harder as Kayn, but still worth trying out. I got gold 3 so far in my first season and I'm still climbing by playing this way. I'm hoping eventually I can get high enough elo where I can play team reliant junglers and go back to playing my main Jarvan.

ablackrift11/11/2019, 9:19:53 AM1 votes

When i ADC or midlane i almost never ask for ganks..in my opinion, if you cant win your lane its your own fault. Usually, messaging the jungler will tilt them or make them afk. I jungle too so i see both sides of the argument. Gank is not a get out of jail free card. if youre powerfeeding the enemy thats a personal problem. [sg-jinx]

Doofy The Yam11/7/2019, 6:39:25 PM1 votes

Thats not how the game works. Its simply your fault

Grokmir11/9/2019, 12:42:25 AM1 votes

I had a top laner flame me once for not ganking top before I even finished my second camp. And I started botside. Some laners are just so delusional they might even be flat earthers.

Yin Yang Taoist11/7/2019, 12:11:12 AM1 votes

Well said, OP! I have to admire you for not getting perturbed by this. And I agree with what you said.

KnightLakega11/15/2019, 2:03:08 AM1 votes

I would like to play the devils advocate here...

Just got out of a game where I fed 2 kills to my top lane, (I was akali against aatrox.. horrible match up for me) only to have the jungler then come feed 2 more kills right after when I wasn't in lane (he somehow failed to kill the low hp aatrox twice).. and STILL blame me for "not playing safe" and "forcing engangement" even though after those 4 kills he was literally tower diving me and forcing me off, and I got no help from the team for the rest of the game...

As a jungler you need to take account of YOUR mistakes as well.. This is something I see even heavy jungler mains NOT DO ever.. Hell I've never heard anyone even mention it before.. If you feed even a single kill into a lane as a jungler you should be ganking that lane until you make up for that death. If you fuck up a lane, a gank, or feed kills into that lane, its your responsibility to make up for that mistake... not like "oh well that sucks" then move onto a different lane expecting everything to be fine...

Silverseal11/6/2019, 10:26:11 PM1 votes

If a jungler runs in 1v2 and dies to my Laker, I will blame the jungler. If the Jungler ruins my freeze while taking loads of experience, I will blame the Jungler. If the jungler makes the wave freeze in front of the enemy turret, I will blame the jungler. If the Jungler sets up a slowpush while I am in a hard matchup, I will blame the jungler. If the jungler dies while diving even though I pong him off, I will blame the jungler.

Junglers are often garbage, but only blame him if he truly ruined your lane.

It's a bit annoying that they never gank when I have ult as Camille though