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Only deathtreats hate speach and telling someone to kill themselves is toxic. TLDR at bottom

Jaynin··3 votes·1,223 views

Something as small as calling someone a dumbass or when someone lets you die 3 times in a row for no reason and you call them a coward for refusing to risk their life to win a fight you set up for them. When you start bashing someones kda or telling them to just leave that is what a mute button is for. Things like that should not be reportable, they do nothing to anyone but annoy them. Boohoo grow the hell up. Im not saying that person is not a dick but seriously grow the hell up, this is a game not a diplomatic event, why the hell is it being arbitrated like the slightest hiccup needs to lead to execution.

The most toxic thing in this community is the people who will report at the drop of a hat when you get someone banned for something minor it shows you have power this makes people want more and more. People report over the stupidest shit now. It only will get worse.

I don't know if i am the only one or not who is tired of all the report malphite for being 0 3! inting ! Sona: EZ! come here i have ult! Lets attack them! EZ: ok! Sona: ULTS stuns both of them uses q and passive almost killing one stun ends and she dies ez still farming in the back. Three times later. EZ: WHY ARE YOU SUCH A FUCKING COWARD?! I am going to support someone else. EZ: REPORT SONA TOXIC!!!! Ziggs: get off my lane. Sona I don't wanna support ez. Ziggs: TOO BAD C*NT GET THE FUCK BOT. Sona: NO! Lane is ganked ziggs dies REPORT SONA! Proceeds to cuss out sona and let her die. Sona goes top and top is cool with it and proceeds to get a double kill with sonas help but the rest of the team spends all game arguing and blaming sona. jungler bot and mid all report sona.

Reports should be something akin to filing a police report. A serious thing that should not be filed over arbitrary bullshit. Your feelings being hurt doesn't matter, the mute button exists for petty things. You will never find an example of someone being thrown in jail for calling someone an idiot.

TLDR: the community is too petty and reports for stupid things which causes more toxicity than it solves because everything they don't like they report for. MUTE PEOPLE.

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Chermorg17 votes

I put it this way before and I still will:

I mute you so I don't have to deal with your negativity, annoyingness, flaming, etc. I report you so nobody else has to deal with it.

scazzman3 votes

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I put it this way before and I still will:

I mute you so I don't have to deal with your negativity, annoyingness, flaming, etc. I report you so nobody else has to deal with it.

YOU may report for that reason. But the vast majority of the people who report are either trolls deliberately trying to get people banned, people reporting not because they were annoyed or offended. But because they lost and want to take it out on someone. Or your run of the mill vagina hat wearing snowflake who has no business on the internet period.

Since riot judges whats considered toxic based on what the community reports. Petty reporting and trolls have artificially lowered the threshold of punishable behavior. A fact riot ignores

Chermorg4 votes

What is your source that says that the vast majority of people who file reports are trolls?

scazzman2 votes

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What is your source that says that the vast majority of people who file reports are trolls?

Read the rest of my statement please.

scazzman2 votes

Granted i can only use personal observation since riot refuses to collect any sort of data on this.

But in my experience.

Its roughly 5% people actually reporting for the right reasons 15% bait banning. 50% people salty after a loss. 30% safe spacers

TrulyBland1 votes

Personal assumptions is not the same as personal observation. You don't know when somebody reports. Even if people who say they will report would always report, and even if your assumptions on their reasons would be correct, you don't actually have any fucking idea how many people report without saying literally anything.

It doesn't help that you claim 30% are "safe spacers" which is a complete bogus category to begin with since it depends exclusively on your personal opinion on whether their report was legitimate or not. It's also 100% irrelevant, because those are still people who are using the report function honestly and in good conscience.

Which means that even in your personal "observation", which has a statistical bias in what it actually observes, and which unavoidably is subject to negativity bias (and all those other beautiful biases that make memory/experience a lousy replacement for statistics), there are actually 35% honest reports.

scazzman2 votes

You completely ignored half my comment and then decided to mic drop. Did you just not read it or are you trying to discredit me by spin doctoring?

EvilDustMan1 votes

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You completely ignored half my comment and then decided to mic drop. Did you just not read it or are you trying to discredit me by spin doctoring?

because the rest of your post was also silly?

AirKingNeo1 votes

The fact he plays the game like anyone else and most can attest to this.

Colgate Gator1 votes

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I put it this way before and I still will:

I mute you so I don't have to deal with your negativity, annoyingness, flaming, etc. I report you so nobody else has to deal with it.

Don't mind if I borrow this from you, sounds good and right to the point.

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

I completely understand where you're coming from, but the thing about punishments for calling someone a "dumbass" etc. is that they aren't given for just doing it once in a while, they are given when it's ridiculously frequent and/or excessive, and they start by giving you chat restrictions instead of bans. While Muting is a really great tool to put a damper on people that want to treat you like garbage or are just frustrated too and taking it out on others, it's not a good preemptive solution; Muting is to prevent more of it from happening in the game, but it doesn't excuse the behavior because once you're forced to use it the person was already likely negatively impacting the game for you. Most everyone is playing to game for fun, they don't come here to intentionally be bad (and often it's just a perception or false blame for being bad), so they don't need to be talked down to and trashed by their own team any more than you want it to happen to you or for you to have a poorly performing teammate that makes the game less enjoyable for you.

Jaynin1 votes

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I completely understand where you're coming from, but the thing about punishments for calling someone a "dumbass" etc. is that they aren't given for just doing it once in a while, they are given when it's ridiculously frequent and/or excessive, and they start by giving you chat restrictions instead of bans. While Muting is a really great tool to put a damper on people that want to treat you like garbage or are just frustrated too and taking it out on others, it's not a good preemptive solution; Muting is to prevent more of it from happening in the game, but it doesn't excuse the behavior because once you're forced to use it the person was already likely negatively impacting the game for you. Most everyone is playing to game for fun, they don't come here to intentionally be bad (and often it's just a perception or false blame for being bad), so they don't need to be talked down to and trashed by their own team any more than you want it to happen to you or for you to have a poorly performing teammate that makes the game less enjoyable for you.

Maybe but sometimes you get 5-7 games of teams who do nothng but troll you or send the entire game arguing to the point you say shut up and play or shut up and leave. Eitehr way it still is not toxic. But banning someone for getting mildly frustrated is morally wrong.

Jo0o4 votes

If you're going out of your way to insult your teammates and detract from their gaming experience, that's toxicity. Be productive or shut up.

Jaynin2 votes

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If you're going out of your way to insult your teammates and detract from their gaming experience, that's toxicity. Be productive or shut up.

If youre going out of your way to insult your teamates you can be muted if its not hate speach its not toxic. Someone annoying you is obviously not somone whose gonna say anything constructive so just mute and get over it. There is zero justification for making the assumption you did or banning anyone for something so absolutely MINOR and petty.

Jo0o3 votes

So you think Riot's official policy should be that, as long as you avoid a small list of specific words, you can say whatever you want and let the community self-police?

Enjoy every game devolving into a clusterfuck of bullshit bickering, even more than it already faces. What benefit does your new world order carry?

Jaynin1 votes

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So you think Riot's official policy should be that, as long as you avoid a small list of specific words, you can say whatever you want and let the community self-police?

Enjoy every game devolving into a clusterfuck of bullshit bickering, even more than it already faces. What benefit does your new world order carry?

Yes you have the option to mute if you choose not to use it you choose to be involved in the bullshitery. You have agency USE IT.

Jo0o4 votes

Mute is a great option to mitigate one's frustration with another person's bullshit, but it's purely reactive, and it causes communication to break down. If Riot is comfortable with "muting" being the sole line of defense between people being jackasses and people trying to just play the fucking game, they might as well remove the entire chat function, because it will no longer serve any positive purpose.

Jaynin1 votes

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Mute is a great option to mitigate one's frustration with another person's bullshit, but it's purely reactive, and it causes communication to break down. If Riot is comfortable with "muting" being the sole line of defense between people being jackasses and people trying to just play the fucking game, they might as well remove the entire chat function, because it will no longer serve any positive purpose.

If it is to the point you consider muting communication already broke down a few miles back. The function of the chat SHOULD be social interaction which should not be thought policed. Some people are dicks some people frustrated. Some people cant handle that others can. You shouldnt lose an account or your money or work just cause you got trolled or where frustrated and argued a few games in a row.

In fact the most toxic i usually see someone get is you suck. Muted then nothing else. The problem comes when REPORT SUCH IAND SUCH FOR TOXIC THEY SAID I SUCK you DO suck. Instead of ignoring it now theres a debate going on because triggered baby has hurt feewings. They apparently care so deeply for what a random stranger thinks of them that they choose to derail an entire game over one frustrated comment. But noooooooo thats too awful both them should be punished when you could just mute and move on. They should hundreds of dollars for the inconveninence of you having to push a mute button that is stupid.

Silent Gravity3 votes

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They apparently care so deeply for what a random stranger thinks of them

If the things you say are so completely worthless that everyone should ignore you...why are you saying anything at all?

Chermorg4 votes

As I said above in my other comment, the mute button is to prevent the current game from being impacted by a player's toxicity. The report feature and punishments are issued to prevent other games from being impacted by a player's toxicity.

People calling for reports or saying "report X they are toxic" is not okay either. However, the proper response to that is also a report - how do you expect them to learn that it's unacceptable if you just mute them and move on and they're never punished.

You keep advocating for the mute button - but all that affects is yourself. You then complain about the toxicity in the game, yet you say that we should not be doing anything to punish toxic players because "there's a mute button".

Jaynin1 votes

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As I said above in my other comment, the mute button is to prevent the current game from being impacted by a player's toxicity. The report feature and punishments are issued to prevent other games from being impacted by a player's toxicity.

People calling for reports or saying "report X they are toxic" is not okay either. However, the proper response to that is also a report - how do you expect them to learn that it's unacceptable if you just mute them and move on and they're never punished.

You keep advocating for the mute button - but all that affects is yourself. You then complain about the toxicity in the game, yet you say that we should not be doing anything to punish toxic players because "there's a mute button".

Argument 1: That logic is incredibly badly flawed. If i play a bunch of games and in 9 of them i am nice then three in a row im mildly bad then 9 i am nice then 1 am bad and now im punished with a ten game chat ban cause of 4 out of 22 games what stupid kinda logic is prevent future toxicity? No that's stupid i am usually very nice you troll me or you intentionally screw a game for me because i have done something you didn't like im gonna say something, If you just make a mistake i will not say something. I am not toxic i am very nice i say gj thank you well done and gg all the time. Its the few times i get assholes and say something that i get punished for, You logic makes no sense. You view everyone as a future offender who ever messes up instead of someone suffering one or two times. You know what would make this so much easier to show it is a flawed system? Context. Someone is being harassed all game and then snaps and says shut the fuck up you stupid bitch no one anywhere would punish that person. Clearly that is self defense. Your logic says that person should be permanently banned from the game because they dared be human.

All of you keep saying that it doesn't matter what happened to you all that matters is you did anything back. That is all that matters you where raped? aawwww you killed your rapist and escaped get ready to be locked up again. That is your logic. All bad things are not evidence of future bad things. The reason i advocate for the use of mute over report is not because i approve for toxicity or think its ok. The problem is no one should EVER lose their account cause they got trolled and said something mild. If you don't use hate speech you are never truly toxic. If you do get punished with a ban. No one should ever have to lose hundreds of dollars over something petty like all these people do. The fact that you think its ok makes you a horrible person a truly bad person.

You are literally the type of person who would throw a staring homeless person in jail for life because they stole food from a dumpster behind a grocery store thinking it means in the future they clearly will steal something bigger and more valuable. You are the tye that thinks one crime means it is justified to view that person as bad. You can claim oh you have to do it a bunch. No you don't for a fact i can tell you 3-5 times and you are punished. Even if those times are 20-30 games apart. No matter how mild that infraction is you can get life in prison (perma ban) because omg you called someone an idiot 4 times once in 4 different games. Boo fucking hoo grow up people are sometimes dicks usually as a reaction perhaps not a justified one but usually as a reaction to someone else. Context matters what you do matters and the punishment you get only in a totalitarian regime such as north korea or this community is saying someones a pile of shit a capital offense.

xFresko1 votes

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So you think Riot's official policy should be that, as long as you avoid a small list of specific words, you can say whatever you want and let the community self-police?

Is the report system community self policing outside of the zero tolerance words? If you dont report, nothing happens, so it's really the community showing what they're fine with, as most punishments are a build up of frequent reports for lesser infractions.

Jaynin1 votes

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Is the report system community self policing outside of the zero tolerance words? If you dont report, nothing happens, so it's really the community showing what they're fine with, as most punishments are a build up of frequent reports for lesser infractions.

No that is individuals with WILDLY different things they are not ok with having free reign to dictate what is and is not ok. There is no real build up. If you dont use hate speech you shouldn't ever receive any ban at all. longer and longer chat bans sure. But NOT a ban. You should never lose hundreds of dollars because some baby got offended.

Silent Gravity3 votes

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You should never lose hundreds of dollars because some baby got offended.

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Im not gonna just take abuse you call me shit i call you dick.

It sounds like you get offended when people call you shit.

Jaynin1 votes

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It sounds like you get offended when people call you shit.

That isnt a contradiction.

This Is Your Dad3 votes

While I agree that people are petty in some cases, let me turn this around back at you and ask: Why are you so easily offended by people messing up or you messing up?

I miss my ult, no one dies. Reaction I get: OMFG YOU &^$%^& WTF WE LOST YOU'RE SO ^%$^%^. Someone tells me to push top as a team but 3 of my teammates are mid and top isn't really a good place to push right now. Reaction we get: %#^#& I'LL ^%&#$&% FEED IF YOU DON'T &$$ YOU &$^&^#$!

Tell me who is offended.

Jaynin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JjgR3w7A,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-02-17T01:03:09.602+0000)

While I agree that people are petty in some cases, let me turn this around back at you and ask: Why are you so easily offended by people messing up or you messing up?

I miss my ult, no one dies. Reaction I get: OMFG YOU &^$%^& WTF WE LOST YOU'RE SO ^%$^%^. Someone tells me to push top as a team but 3 of my teammates are mid and top isn't really a good place to push right now. Reaction we get: %#^#& I'LL ^%&#$&% FEED IF YOU DON'T &$$ YOU &$^&^#$!

Tell me who is offended.

I'm not necessarily offended i am more this is my promos why in this of all games do i get YOU. The guy who says imma help you in the fight you just planned with me and then watch you start it and be like NAAAAAAAAAAH this juicy minions roite hurr 3 times in a row. And then you decide you know what then imma support someone else. Oh that person didn't want your help and intentionally let them kill you when you set up a double kill for them. And argument ensues the rest of the game because jungler mid and bot feel like they should be able to dictate my actions and i feel dfifferent. At least top wasn't a dick, oh no top accepted my free double kill he got two more kills after it.

So to be honest while these people piss me off and i wanna beat their heads in, i won't and i don't think them being jerks should get them banned either no matter how much it derailed the game or annoyed me.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

The thing is, different people have different opinions about what constitutes toxic behavior, and society as a whole sets the bar a lot higher than you seem to.

It is good to be resistant to that sort of behavior, but not everyone is, or if they are, they still do not tolerate it.

U GOT WRECKT LOL1 votes

Love the post, sounds good to me. People are too offended nowadays all because of Obama preaching that you can you get free stuff in life if you just act offended.

This Is Your Dad2 votes

Obama? Really? Most of the people that are offended are not fans of Obama. Personally I think there are people that are easily offended.I can't tell a joke these days because people are offended because their great great grandfather's dog also suffered from -insert joke here- but there are instances where people are extremely hateful and should just be silenced. Mute does do the job BUT when I mute people they tend to start intentionally feeding, steal my jungle camps and fake a teamfight to get back at me because I muted them.

Mobile Phone1 votes

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Obama? Really? Most of the people that are offended are not fans of Obama. Personally I think there are people that are easily offended.I can't tell a joke these days because people are offended because their great great grandfather's dog also suffered from -insert joke here- but there are instances where people are extremely hateful and should just be silenced. Mute does do the job BUT when I mute people they tend to start intentionally feeding, steal my jungle camps and fake a teamfight to get back at me because I muted them.

No reason to talk to him he's triggered let him be a "big boy"

U GOT WRECKT LOL2 votes

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This Is Your Dad1 votes

I'm kind of amused that you're blaming Obama for the Florida shooting.

U GOT WRECKT LOL1 votes

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This Is Your Dad1 votes

I feel like you hang out with the wrong crowd. I think the difference in opinion is caused by the fact that each side sees the other side as mentally ill, but maybe.... they both are? Extremism and radicalism always goes both ways.

U GOT WRECKT LOL1 votes

I'm having a hard time seeing how this has much to do with what I just said, but I do agree with you that a big problem is that one side wants to stomp their feet and cry and vote no on every single possible thing that benefits the country so THEY can blame the other side for not improving the country, and then vica versa when the other party is in power. All of the senators need to go and get middle class people who want to better the country in place.

DrFiveMinusMinus1 votes

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I'm having a hard time seeing how this has much to do with what I just said, but I do agree with you that a big problem is that one side wants to stomp their feet and cry and vote no on every single possible thing that benefits the country so THEY can blame the other side for not improving the country, and then vica versa when the other party is in power. All of the senators need to go and get middle class people who want to better the country in place.

How is this happening on a goddamn League of Legends boards thread

Jaynin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JjgR3w7A,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-02-17T00:55:19.611+0000)

Obama? Really? Most of the people that are offended are not fans of Obama. Personally I think there are people that are easily offended.I can't tell a joke these days because people are offended because their great great grandfather's dog also suffered from -insert joke here- but there are instances where people are extremely hateful and should just be silenced. Mute does do the job BUT when I mute people they tend to start intentionally feeding, steal my jungle camps and fake a teamfight to get back at me because I muted them.

Look im not saying do nothing about the minor stuff, but just banning them is ridiculous. Instead you could just use continuous chat bans for people who only do things like passive aggressiveness or sarcasm. You are not a toxic part of the community because you had an unlucky set of games with trolls or selfish people in them and went off mildly. At the same time you did go off mildly. you should get a chat ban just to remind you to cool it. I 100 percent amd certain that 99 percent of people banned for toxicity are not toxic they are just mad at a few games. In fact i can guarantee you that a lot of them are in the vast majority of their games neutral or nice. But they have those bad few where they where in no nonsense mood and nonsense happened Or you just cost them their promos by arguing all game and they had to try and get you to focus on the game and riot bans people for that too because "not on topic of game" which happened to me. Do i think the other people involved should lose their account for being actual dicks? No. Because im not 2 with a such an inflated sense of self importance that i think other people should lose hundreds of dollars or time because they where mean to me the only time i ever met them. No one should lose their account because you get offended to the point you call the police over being called an idiot, cause that sounds idiotic to me.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

Speaking from experience, I'm a grumpy person. I'm a pessimist. I don't see the good in people. I get mad from time to time. I haven't been punished in a long time because I don't make it a habit. I feel like if you're habitually negative you may not see it but for instance people on my track team have pointed out that I'm a very negative person, when I just consider it a sense of humor that's just dry. So I have to change my behavior to declare my intent. I have changed the way I do things and I don't feel particularly oppressed. We can have bad games but there's a limit. Play when you're in a good mood. Ignore the small mistakes your team makes, because they may not always be mistakes. I had a tristana rocket jump into a tower and our yasuo started raging about how he was bad. I said nothing at all. 3 minutes later I engage as tryndamere and scatter everyone and my adc picks up a quadra. Each play is a different set of circumstances, but many people take one wrong move and attribute it to the total skill level of the person. give it time.

Jaynin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JjgR3w7A,comment-id=0004000000010000,timestamp=2018-02-17T01:58:29.927+0000)

Speaking from experience, I'm a grumpy person. I'm a pessimist. I don't see the good in people. I get mad from time to time. I haven't been punished in a long time because I don't make it a habit. I feel like if you're habitually negative you may not see it but for instance people on my track team have pointed out that I'm a very negative person, when I just consider it a sense of humor that's just dry. So I have to change my behavior to declare my intent. I have changed the way I do things and I don't feel particularly oppressed. We can have bad games but there's a limit. Play when you're in a good mood. Ignore the small mistakes your team makes, because they may not always be mistakes. I had a tristana rocket jump into a tower and our yasuo started raging about how he was bad. I said nothing at all. 3 minutes later I engage as tryndamere and scatter everyone and my adc picks up a quadra. Each play is a different set of circumstances, but many people take one wrong move and attribute it to the total skill level of the person. give it time.

I should probably make the disclaimer i specifically play soloq not with friends so i have the issue of having 4 potential offendees every single game. That does not mean i am negative more often than you just that i end up reported more often. I don't let one or two mistakes get to me. Its the 40th or 50th SAME mistake that gets to me. LEARN SOMETHING YOU SACK OF POTATOES ._.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

I also only soloq and I hit a losing streak but you just have to shrug when shit gets that bad. I just try to have fun in a losing game when it happens, and I got a lot of ragequitters recently.

Jaynin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JjgR3w7A,comment-id=000400000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-17T02:13:19.716+0000)

I also only soloq and I hit a losing streak but you just have to shrug when shit gets that bad. I just try to have fun in a losing game when it happens, and I got a lot of ragequitters recently.

Well i dont care about losing the problem is the why am i losing. I am not claiming to have been perfect or even better, but i at least don't abandon allies to die cause i don't like them.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

But the important thing is just let it go. Getting angry in chat either makes them feel better about being a dick or gets you banned. Don't justify their trolling with your reaction.

Jaynin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=JjgR3w7A,comment-id=00040000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-17T02:16:22.846+0000)

But the important thing is just let it go. Getting angry in chat either makes them feel better about being a dick or gets you banned. Don't justify their trolling with your reaction.

Im not gonna just take abuse you call me shit i call you dick. Nothing is wrong with that, Nothing. Except rito is more concerned with thought policing than making sure their game is good.

U GOT WRECKT LOL1 votes

Another noteworthy thing is that people in Overwatch are actually banned for sending in reports over some of the stuff you mention, because it is a waste of people's time who have to look over the bans 1st off, and they believe people should actually have somewhat of a sack and use the mute button if they don't like it. Unfortunately you have people who will always support it because they get off on the satisfaction of getting someone's account permanently banned.

Jaynin1 votes

Just stick around for a few minutes after every solo q game youll understand the reason people report are not good ones.

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