Skip to content

Honor Level with Friends?

neviss··2 votes·6,889 views

Can someone honor level, level up fast if his friends queueing up togheter give him always the honor? Sorry for bad english

21 Comments

ModPrandine10 votes

Honors from pre-mades are worth less than honors from non pre-mades in order to help prevent honor farming.

neviss2 votes

I see so for example if a Friend of mine is Disonorable we would give him always the honor, how long would it take for him to get Level 1? 1 Month ? 1 Week? about like 10 games per day.

ModPrandine3 votes

{quoted}

I see so for example if a Friend of mine is Disonorable we would give him always the honor, how long would it take for him to get Level 1? 1 Month ? 1 Week? about like 10 games per day.

It all depends on his behavior and how he conducts himself going forward. Even if he gets honored every game, if he's still getting validly reported* as well then that will slow down his honor progress.

*For clarity I mean if he's still getting validly reported for behavior that's poor but not poor enough to warrant a punishment.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

A report for behavior that's poor, but not poor enough to warrant punishment isn't really a valid report. And if it actually does have an effect on honor to get invalid reports like that, that's kinda fucked up.

Umbral Regent3 votes

A report for behavior that's poor, but not poor enough to warrant punishment isn't really a valid report.

No, it's still a valid report. Riot expects a certain degree of composure and sportsmanship from their players, and falling below that line means that you're not being honorable - hence, being reported for falling below that line, however slightly, is enough to slow Honor progress.

If people want to progress in Honor, they need to be at or above that line, not below it. That's not fucked up, that's common sense.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

It should not have an effect. You are being as honorable as dictated by the nature of the game, and someone else is giving you honor-- honor from friends is already reduced because they're friends.

Common sense is that a report that is not about a punishable offense, and is thus false, should bring no punishment. Not your reversed view of, "a different kind of punishment is in order for things that aren't against the rules."

Umbral Regent1 votes

Common sense is that a report that is not about a punishable offense, and is thus false, should bring no punishment. Not your reversed view of, "a different kind of punishment is in order for things that aren't against the rules."

But here's the thing: If a report is validated (regardless of whether or not it results in a punishment directly) it is a punishable offense, and it is against the rules.

Kei143 often explains it as something along the lines of; "lighter punishable offenses build up in point value from 0 to 100, and when they reach/exceed 100, it results in a punishment."

Hence why we always say it's an issue of consistency and severity. Lighter offenses don't get immediate punishment, but can (when consistent) build up to a punishment. Harsher offenses are frequently met with quicker direct responses from the IFS.

And for that reason, negativity that validates a report - regardless of whether or not it results in a direct punishment - results in decreased Honor gain. The negativity is still against the rules, it's still punishable, but it's not immediately punishable, and it still validates the report.

Valid reports = decreased honor progress. Whether you like it or not, whether you feel like it should work differently, all that's irrelevant. That's how the system works.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

So then, if it is a valid report, it is already being punished by accumulating progress towards a ban. There is no reasonable excuse for it also to slow honor progress.

And your feelings on the matter are just as irrelevant as mine. You claimed that a report is valid even if it does not pertain to an actual offense, which is simply false. I did not say that a report that is actually an offense is invalid, as you ignorantly assumed.

Umbral Regent1 votes

You claimed that a report is valid even if it does not pertain to an actual offense

No. Don't put words in my mouth and then say I'm assuming things. Let's double all the way back to the start of things here.

...Even if he gets honored every game, if he's still getting validly reported* as well then that will slow down his honor progress.

*For clarity I mean if he's still getting validly reported for behavior that's poor but not poor enough to warrant a punishment.

Prandine mentions that negative behavior can validate a report without directly causing a player to be punished for it, and that these valid, but not punishing reports can hamper Honor progress.

A report for behavior that's poor, but not poor enough to warrant punishment isn't really a valid report.

You then try to argue that these lighter offenses should not be considered valid reports.

No, it's still a valid report. Riot expects a certain degree of composure and sportsmanship from their players, and falling below that line means that you're not being honorable - hence, being reported for falling below that line, however slightly, is enough to slow Honor progress.

Then I explained that it's still a valid report, as simply not being punished for it doesn't mean it's good behavior, and that the IFS does slow Honor progress because of that.

I tried to explain to you that being negative and below the line of expected conduct is a punishable offense - the only reason you could possibly construe that I said "a report is valid even if it doesn't pertain to an actuall offense" is that you're pushing subjective ideas into this equation.

You may not think it's punishable, that it shouldn't constitute a valid report, but the fact of the matter is that if you are below that line, if you are being negative, even if you aren't getting punished, you are breaking the rules.

The IFS sees these reports, and if they aren't directly punishable, they still result in decreased Honor gain, because, again: _If you are below the line of Riot's expectations of conduct, you are not being honorable._

...as you ignorantly assumed.

And since it's clear that you'd rather insult me and put words in my mouth, I'm calling it here.

End of discussion.

Aneirin2 votes

There is no reasonable excuse for it also to slow honor progress.

Not being honourable is absolutely a reason to slow honour progress. It's not rocket science.

Kei1433 votes

Riot punishes based on consistency x severity. Meaning the less severe reports are stored in the player's behavior history, when the total stored valid reports passes a certain threshold, the player gets punished.

In fact, most the time the toxics are not punished for 1 game of bad behavior.

Hibiscûs2 votes

{quoted}

I see so for example if a Friend of mine is Disonorable we would give him always the honor, how long would it take for him to get Level 1? 1 Month ? 1 Week? about like 10 games per day.

Longer than getting honours from people outside your group. Your honours are worth less than honours from teammates not in your group.

Dllesh1 votes

[deleted]

Umbral Regent3 votes

Can I game the system and boost to level 5 by constantly playing with a premade and honoring each other every game?

Nice idea. We had it too. So we specifically built Honor so potential exploits like this give you (and your friend) literally no benefit.

From the Honor FAQ.

If a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, then how much is zero worth?

Honoring amongst your premades provides no benefit besides the full team honor boost. You actually have to be honored by non-premade teammates to actually gain that honor's worth in progress.

Dllesh1 votes

ya know what i dont want to argue, my bad im wrong ur right, im just going to play the game, have a great day

Nevurwin3 votes

I am honor 4 checkpoint 1, my friends and I honor each other 100% of the time we play together. Supposedly its less impactful when friends honor you, but if its consistent enough, i don't think it matters.

CharDeeMcDenniz1 votes

I do not know the specifics of the system but I do know there are distinct messages that pop up with honor rewards, some that specifically mention being honored by people in your group so I would bet those honors are weighed/viewed differently

RookPusher1 votes

What idiot keeps downvoting Prandine - he's right in each instance.

ModPrandine2 votes

{quoted}

What idiot keeps downvoting Prandine - he's right in each instance.

If you're wondering why my posts are always at 0 to start with that's my doing. I like to remove the auto-upvote from my posts to get a better idea of who agrees and/or disagrees with me. It's not perfect I know but it is something at least. Appreciate the support though.

Dllesh1 votes

yup, this is one of the biggest reasons why Honor has absolutely zero (0) value to me.... you could literally be the most toxic person in the game, but you continue to get honored by your premade and not reported to whatever hell standard riot seems to have that year, you get all the rewards

DrEgg971 votes

More from Player Behavior

More by neviss