@ mods, curator in particular

jaymc1130·Nov 21, 2015·2 votes·572 views

If I can get a warning for being a tiny bit rude to some one who was rude to me first on the boards, basically throwing what he said back in his face word for word, then you sure as hell better delete the post by <snip for naming & shaming> that started the issue where he insulted me first. Do your damn jobs, ffs. No more double standards, no more picking and choosing what gets removed, if you had done your job in the first place and prevented or deleted that post there would never have been any kind of argument at all. Unacceptable, get off your asses, start using your damn brains, and get the instigators who cause trouble in the first fucking place.

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jaymc1130Nov 21, 20152 votes

I mean, now he's insulting the entire board... But it's totally fine, not at all breaking the rules, definitely not being a jerk with this post to the entire community....

But sure, go ahead and punish me, for turning his own insult against me back on him.

Really mods? Really? This you will allow? This is behavior you WILL condone?

You all should be fired as mods. This is pathetic.

nerak23Nov 21, 20151 votes

The other person's comments were rude. I hate to say this but you know as I do that more then one person has to report to get that kind of remark removed on GD.

Consider this a bump, I'm actually on your side on this one. Can't say I care for your wording starting the thread, sorry just being honest here.

jaymc1130Nov 21, 20151 votes

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The other person's comments were rude. I hate to say this but you know as I do that more then one person has to report to get that kind of remark removed on GD.

Consider this a bump, I'm actually on your side on this one. Can't say I care for your wording starting the thread, sorry just being honest here.

I certainly didn't say he sucks or that it sucks to suck like him in my initial posts with him. He flat out said it, has no punishment for it, but for me saying it back to him and turning his insult around I get a warning and punishment?

Mods are freaking idiots. If he doesn't insult me I probably don't take that hard a stance with him. If mods do their jobs and remove what might start an argument before it gets started there is no argument. If I wasn't well enough known to have people who report my posts on sight out of spite we wouldn't have an issue. There's no part of this that is in any way right, it's purely discrimination against myself and it happens with other well known posters too. It's complete bs. You can't have one set of rules that only applies to well known people and a completely different set that applies to random newcomers.

Either the rules are for everyone, or no one. Mods don't get the right to pick and choose when to uphold a rule. I'm fine with the warning, he sure as hell better get one and have the posts removed. The rule should apply to all or it's not a rule, it's just an excuse to discriminate.

nerak23Nov 21, 20151 votes

it's purely discrimination against myself and it happens with other well known posters too. It's complete bs. You can't have one set of rules that only applies to well known people and a completely different set that applies to random newcomers.

I know it does. And it bugs me, While I was never a popular GDer because I was on the side of disliking Toxiness, I pretty much stopped posting there because of the very things you bring up.

I didn't see your post that got deleted, but seeing you post in the past I believe you 100 %

What I am saying though is if it wasn't in GD it most likely would have been removed..His comment. That's what I mean, I know No one is going to like this but GD wanted to have it's own culture and was accommodated to a point. Here's the problem where is the line of that point. Do you see what I mean.

Please understand...I would be upset if I were you also, and I agree with most of what your saying...maybe it is time to rethink that line. Let me know if he gets that comment deleted will ya ?

jaymc1130Nov 21, 20151 votes

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I know it does. And it bugs me, While I was never a popular GDer because I was on the side of disliking Toxiness, I pretty much stopped posting there because of the very things you bring up.

I didn't see your post that got deleted, but seeing you post in the past I believe you 100 %

What I am saying though is if it wasn't in GD it most likely would have been removed..His comment. That's what I mean, I know No one is going to like this but GD wanted to have it's own culture and was accommodated to a point. Here's the problem where is the line of that point. Do you see what I mean.

Please understand...I would be upset if I were you also, and I agree with most of what your saying...maybe it is time to rethink that line. Let me know if he gets that comment deleted will ya ?

Oh I'm aware of all this. Really, I'm not even that peeved, it comes with the territory. I maintained a low profile for several years before becoming even the tiniest bit well known. It's just insane to punish one rule breaker and then ignore another. This post is honestly more a statement about how riot operates as a company. They are shady, vile, and corrupt and the issues they have regarding double standards apply in game as well as out. They really show their corporate colors when they pull a stunt like this, they don't even care what rules the institute or don't institute because the rules never ever mattered. It's always been a case by case basis with riot and it's employees deciding to uphold or not uphold something completely arbitrarily and shows them as what they are. A company that never can be trusted, never has been, and never will be trustworthy because they act on issues entirely arbitrarily.

And really, it's only arbitrary if you don't consider the money aspect. It all boils down to the bucks, they were upset I might drive away a player who may purchase content because they know full well I won't give the company a dime and so they decided to uphold a rule.

That's all it is really. Still, bullshit, like a rose, by any other name...

nerak23Nov 21, 20151 votes

BTW: I missed it and I don't want to break the name and shame rules so I'll try and ask this correctly....

What did you know who's daddy do to get suspended again ? Please, just basic answer...like made another thread that could mean this or that, or did he blatantly break the GD rules ?

jaymc1130Nov 21, 20151 votes

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BTW: I missed it and I don't want to break the name and shame rules so I'll try and ask this correctly....

What did you know who's daddy do to get suspended again ? Please, just basic answer...like made another thread that could mean this or that, or did he blatantly break the GD rules ?

He made threads asking for forum badges one too many times... Apparently. That's the word I've heard but I'm not getting many straight answers and this is pieced together info. And you can say HateDaddy. His name is not taboo.

nerak23Nov 21, 20151 votes

That's all it is really. Still, bullshit, like a rose, by any other name...

We agree with a lot of things :) I just believe that certain Rioters and Mods actually do care...thing is I'm glad you posted this because it's something I've been waiting for the right time to make my own thread about...I guess, it's time I said my peace also.

Other thing is I Know for certain people in charge do care...how do we as a community tell Riot how we feel ? And, how do we let them know what most people really think because----see below .....

And to bring up another unrelated subject: The troll accounts just to mess with people are insane !! Needs to stop. I have 2 accounts, I only use this one my practice/less serious account to post on here ( 1st one I used ). So, even if popular opinion is swayed one way who knows what people really want on GD ?

jaymc1130Nov 21, 20151 votes

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We agree with a lot of things :) I just believe that certain Rioters and Mods actually do care...thing is I'm glad you posted this because it's something I've been waiting for the right time to make my own thread about...I guess, it's time I said my peace also.

Other thing is I Know for certain people in charge do care...how do we as a community tell Riot how we feel ? And, how do we let them know what most people really think because----see below .....

And to bring up another unrelated subject: The troll accounts just to mess with people are insane !! Needs to stop. I have 2 accounts, I only use this one my practice/less serious account to post on here ( 1st one I used ). So, even if popular opinion is swayed one way who knows what people really want on GD ?

Oh I know certain individuals care a ton. I'm on record defending a number of them. It's not the individuals who work at riot I hate. It's the conglomeration as a whole that's despicable.

I've got 15 accounts. For almost 6 years, I've posted on one. This one. Regardless of whether my others outperformed it had less negative or positive recognition or whatever, THIS is the account I'm known by, the handle I respond to, the name I give for myself. I've really only ever posted on smurfs when forced to for some reason or another and those instances probably number less than 2 or 3 dozen total. I am jaymc, regardless of what account I'm playing on. So the smurf thing doesn't bug me much, I can see the pros and cons to both side of the debate on that point.

nerak23Nov 21, 20151 votes

He made threads asking for forum badges one too many times... Apparently. That's the word I've heard but I'm not getting many straight answers and this is pieced together info. And you can say HateDaddy. His name is not taboo.

haha making me laugh...see there is a thing to this to in my mind anyway. In GD we are allowed to mess around a bit and say peoples names..this section takes it Very seriously.

Brings me to this point: Some people don't understand what the culture of GD really is and I am not going to say I am an expert on it by no means. I'm trying to put perspective on this for everyone reading who may not understand at all.

Positives only for this post ( or maybe forever ) but, I have seen them welcome 'some' newcomers better then anyone. There are a ton of knowledge about game-play, balance etc. as there are a lot of very good players there...again though what some forum posters don't understand is that their is also comradely and jokes that go beyond what someone who reads only other sub-sections. vrs. GD could ever understand. More I could say but I'll stop.

But back to your point: Yes, Yes, Yes...I think that some people get away with more things then other simply because they are the popular or most visible posters and this IS wrong. And people/posters sometimes use this, it's like the Fish going for the worm ...can't stop themselves from the sheep mentality.

Feel like I'm giving a friggen speech but I care about GD and I also care about Riot and being a decent person...this is the time to shine...so people this is the section for it ..opinions ?? ;) or we could continue although I winded lol

nerak23Nov 21, 20151 votes

. So the smurf thing doesn't bug me much, I can see the pros and cons to both side of the debate on that point.

I don't blame you for using more then one account. I simply won't do it as much as I'd like to. Here is a short story of why--

I commented on a thread and got ambushed by 3 people...they spewed a lot of nasty things at me...I felt at no time was I any more then civil yet firm...but they continued to insult and belittle me..at one point someone said why don't you ask Riot for help and see if they give a She-i-t. So I did..only to find out later it was the same 1 person logging into other accounts to harass me.

My point is..complicated..but in my and your current situation similar. That person you are currently having a problem is clearly trying to harass you ! Thing is they don't have the guts to say their real handle/name and won't engage in a conversation...Therefore, I now am more certain that this is being carried over many threads and boards and should be dealt with...

One last thing...How does Riot do this while keeping firm with the standard they themselves have set up ? 1 answer This Board ! Comments ??

jaymc1130Nov 21, 20151 votes

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I don't blame you for using more then one account. I simply won't do it as much as I'd like to. Here is a short story of why--

I commented on a thread and got ambushed by 3 people...they spewed a lot of nasty things at me...I felt at no time was I any more then civil yet firm...but they continued to insult and belittle me..at one point someone said why don't you ask Riot for help and see if they give a She-i-t. So I did..only to find out later it was the same 1 person logging into other accounts to harass me.

My point is..complicated..but in my and your current situation similar. That person you are currently having a problem is clearly trying to harass you ! Thing is they don't have the guts to say their real handle/name and won't engage in a conversation...Therefore, I now am more certain that this is being carried over many threads and boards and should be dealt with...

One last thing...How does Riot do this while keeping firm with the standard they themselves have set up ? 1 answer This Board ! Comments ??

I have a strong feeling who it was, or at least the party they belong to. I didn't realize I was being baited as an attempt to get me banned until I put all the clues together and jgi made it clear they took offense to the name commonly used to describe them. Multiple posts in other threads all got mass reported at the same time and one post in particular in a totally different thread got pulled when it's the same name given for the crew by a dozen other posters without incident, most recently by <snip for naming & shaming> who initially did not typo jazz guzzling idiots and later edited the "I" out of jazz and made it an a. I'm a target for the group and it took me several posts with <snip for naming & shaming> to catch on that I was being baited and trolled in some petty childish jgi attempt to see me banned.

Pretty pathetic isn't it? But riot allows it. Acts like they are blind to what happens. Please.

nerak23Nov 21, 20151 votes

Pretty pathetic isn't it? But riot allows it. Acts like they are blind to what happens. Please.

Oh Yes it is !! But you are on a sub-board now that has people who can help ..If anyone feels like taking a look :)

But Jaym please allow time for something to happen on this thread.. Most people reading this section don't really understand what is going on..give it some time. Blue anyone?? want to weigh in ??

Or please there are a few of you out there that read this section and I respect you ...can anyone put something up that will help OP know that this is the board to get results ?

jaymc1130Nov 21, 20151 votes

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Oh Yes it is !! But you are on a sub-board now that has people who can help ..If anyone feels like taking a look :)

But Jaym please allow time for something to happen on this thread.. Most people reading this section don't really understand what is going on..give it some time. Blue anyone?? want to weigh in ??

Or please there are a few of you out there that read this section and I respect you ...can anyone put something up that will help OP know that this is the board to get results ?

Nah, there will be no results. Riot is letting the two of us play this out on our own terms using our own board abilities and turning a blind eye. As far as they are concerned one of us will take out the other, again, or we won't. Either way they don't have to get involved directly aside from issuing the punishment and it's a win win for them no matter which of us prevails over the other and a non factor to riot if it doesn't escalate past this point. I could outright say who it is, but let's be fair, that's not my style and now that I know what game I'm playing I can enjoy it some. In any case I'm still here, on the same account I have been since forever, and they are not. Who do you think won the last few rounds?

AJStarhikerNov 21, 20151 votes

Ok, I get that you guys are annoyed about this poster and what you believe to be double standards over GD moderation, but some of these posts are getting into personal attacks that are against the rules.

If you have issues with GD moderation, fine. I don't know how it works over there; whether there is an oversight system or if it's primarily based on votes. It may be necessary to file a support ticket about the issue. But even though they are posting over there and we can go and see the posts, attacking them from here really isn't appropriate.

jaymc1130Nov 21, 20151 votes

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Ok, I get that you guys are annoyed about this poster and what you believe to be double standards over GD moderation, but some of these posts are getting into personal attacks that are against the rules.

If you have issues with GD moderation, fine. I don't know how it works over there; whether there is an oversight system or if it's primarily based on votes. It may be necessary to file a support ticket about the issue. But even though they are posting over there and we can go and see the posts, attacking them from here really isn't appropriate.

No ones attacking anyone... Well except for me being attacked by the poster in question who is also dodging a board perma ban...

And seeing as this is the board regarding moderation on the boards it's the only appropriate board this thread can fit into.

Regardless, the point remains absolutely nothing at all will be done to uphold the rules and guidelines of the boards and the questionable actions of the poster under scrutiny will continue indefinitely. We are very aware you are not privy to the exact circumstances or information needed to understand what "fight" is about, but that's not the purpose of this thread. The purpose of the thread is now to show that riot refuses to uphold the rules they put in place and posters who in the past proved so detrimental and negative in terms of influence on the boards that they required permanent banning (allegedly on more than one occasion) are back again, causing more of a ruckus, as usual, and nothing at all will be done about it.

Point being? You can't trust this company, and the boards will never be the place that company wishes for it to be.

AJStarhikerNov 21, 20151 votes

And you called him out here. How is that not attacking him? Especially when it's unlikely he'll come over here, see it, and be able to respond? Yes, GD has it's own standards, but coming over here to post means you need to follow the rules set out in this board.

Have you filed any support tickets? If not, that may be what you need to do bring it to the attention of a Rioter who can look at the issue.

Out of curiousity, how does moderation in GD work? Is it monitored by Rioters, or is it primarily user-based? If it's primarily user-based, then I would bet there's a certain amount of popularity as a factor in moderation-- and that will result in what looks like double standards between long-term and newer posters.

jaymc1130Nov 21, 20151 votes

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And you called him out here. How is that not attacking him? Especially when it's unlikely he'll come over here, see it, and be able to respond? Yes, GD has it's own standards, but coming over here to post means you need to follow the rules set out in this board.

And I am. To the letter and as instructed by riot staff. Or this thread would have been pulled. Every post in it has likely already been mass reported by the person and party in question and is 100% under observation by same. Furthermore the mods, and Keyru specifically know exactly what is going on and why this thread is up. There are tools she has that will be used to check various aspects of what's happened and ultimately they should likely fail due to a number of precautions taken. However context from everything in this thread will identify the problem and who the problem is and this will allow the mods to passively observe in the future to ascertain the validly of certain aspects. It's the best I can do in terms of service to the boards as a whole right now without sinking to a morally questionable level.

Have you filed any support tickets? If not, that may be what you need to do bring it to the attention of a Rioter who can look at the issue.

Of course I have. A very serious issue was brought to Keyru's personal attention several months back regarding what has transpired today and comes off as an ongoing fued. I spent more than enough time in support tickets dealing with issues like this, another one will do nothing. A thread like this will flag her and the mod crew attention and the issue will be addressed or it won't, but posting here is done in purpose to let them know I'm quite serious. After the last go around I will likely be taken as such without having to cause a similar fracas.

Out of curiousity, how does moderation in GD work? Is it monitored by Rioters, or is it primarily user-based? If it's primarily user-based, then I would bet there's a certain amount of popularity as a factor in moderation-- and that will result in what looks like double standards between long-term and newer posters.

Moderation for the whole of the boards, every section if it, is handled by Keyru and the moderator outsourcing staff Metaverse. The mods are the same for all board sections, they handle every aspect of moderation on the boards in general. Like most companies Metaverse had staff scheduling so you never really know who is moderating when and can never be sure Keyru is around or not. As it is a weekend day and I already had issues with moderation it's almost 100% she's off. However this is enough of a controversy that the mod crew will notify her when she returns to work as they probably will require her insight on how to handle things, they are clearly out of their depth in dealing with this and will wait for guidance most likely.

Part of what is considered to be the problem is that we have NO player mods, players who understand what is and is not acceptable and the types of shenanigans that we occasionally see on the boards and who perpetrates them. If we had player mods it's likely we would have already had resolution to this incident. Having been a poster myself for 5 some odd years now I recognized what was happening, but it took me some time to catch on that I was being targeted and attacked. When I did realize it I almost couldn't help but laugh at the subtlety of the subversion. It was cleverly crafted and required at least a half dozen accounts to pull off. Many players support the idea of player mods and rightly so, myself included. I have never had issues with my board behavior with the notable exception of when I am targeted by attacks such as these and player mods who understand what is going on would be benficial in situations like these provided they can remain impartial. My belief is many posters would be quite capable of this and I have both been recommended and volunteered for that duty should we every get player mods.

I understand this is likely all very confusing to you, and it is meant to be in order to keep in line with the rules of the boards. Much of what I have described has been described in the vaguest of terms and that's just how it's gonna have to be lest I come under attack again. Hopefully this has helped clear some things up for you though and hopefully the appropriate actions will be taken by the mod staff when this thread receives proper review.

AJStarhikerNov 21, 20151 votes

Fair enough. Like I said, I don't go to GD. I tried a couple times at the old forums and decided it wasn't my thing. I've mostly stuck to the Behavior sections (Misc and Help/Support while there was no PB&M board) so seeing names tends to raise flags for me.

With any luck, the Arbitor system is a step towards volunteer mods.

jaymc1130Nov 21, 20151 votes

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With any luck, the Arbitor system is a step towards volunteer mods.

That was a hope I fervently expressed in the thread welcoming our new arbiter pals.

Back on the forums it seemed the only place to get a response was in GD so it drew 90% of the forum going population. With the board switch that has changed some and the addition of a front page certainly helped the other sections receive viewership and participation. GD is still the most frequently trafficked board section and it shows in the pace at which discussions and conversations move but each of the other board sections does a much better job of allowing discussion on specific topics and I've taken to visiting them all. I still love GD for the laughs and the fellowship that can occasionally be had, but serious discussions generally belong on other boards. Despite this one can often find a great deal of wisdom on GD if you take the time to pick through all the clutter and junk.

nerak23Nov 27, 20151 votes

WOW, there are a Lot of things I'd like to bring up right now, but I feel like we need to do so in due process, I'd like to add that I have been going threw (not asking for any sympathy) My Mom has been sick and there are times I can and cannot spend here...having said this I will say a few things..

jaymc1130

To any reading this Jaymc and I have a difference of approach and opinion but can talk freely. Although, we don't agree on all things there are certain things we and many do agree on..again I am not about to go in to it on this thread because I feel it needs to be talked about from many angles and threw a few threads.

If I may, the thing we disagree on the most is how the moderation deals with things going on in GD. If you don't at least read there regularly then you may not understand what is going on...

My feeling is IMO ..Riot and Mods are hampered by GD guidelines...The Culture...this creates a playground of things bordering on acceptable jokes and down right insults, and how is any one to know unless they study GD ??

Is there an answer and does Riot care ? YES, They care and my hope is threads like this brings more interest in this and many subject we as a community need to address :)

THANKS for anyone reading this threw lol :)