Some sort of ban reset for extended periods of good behavior

Spiffy Senpai··3 votes·482 views

I'm sure a lot of people are going to flame me for this, and it's probably already been suggested, but as someone who has proudly owned their League account since the day they started playing back in mid-season 2, I believe there should be some sort of soft ban reset for extended periods of good behavior.

Yes, I've had my account banned before, but I've had this account for so long that I can't even recall the first time it happened.

There is some sort of fake reward for having "good behavior" but does this good behavior mean anything when there is the possibility of the account being permanently banned due to a period of bad behavior? not everyone can be perfect all of the time and mistakes are likely to happen, despite the vast majority of the time being generally good or neutral behavior.

I constantly have this dreading feeling that my account is going to be taken away if I have a single bad behavior game ( mind you, I hardly ever consider my behavior that bad even in the worst of times ), no matter how often I usually have good ( even honored ) games.

anyways, this isn't really about me. it's just a suggestion. should long periods of good behavior be more rewarded, with the possibility of one day dropping off one, or all, previous bans? it could even be based off of the activity of the account, to prevent people from just logging off for months on end waiting for a ban to drop off.

I just feel like maybe there should be some kind of drop off for bans, either through hard work, time, effort and reformation. having your account for 6 years or more, you're bound to have quite a few bad behavior games. but I feel like the consequences of those few games shouldn't outweigh the vast majority of good behavior games, with the ultimate penalty being to have your account permanently banned after three strikes. three strikes over the course of 6+ years? can there be a little more wiggle room? especially for those that are very active, and have had their accounts for very long periods of time? surely, if you've had the account this long and haven't been permanently banned already, despite being an active player, then you really aren't a bad person.

so in short, here is my suggestion:

  • long, extended periods of good behavior should warrant some sort of ban drop off ( so long as the account is active )
  • the periods of time between bad behaviors should be based on how long the account has existed
  • reformation and effort to correct behavior should be recognized and allow ban penalties to either drop off or adjust accordingly

the three strike rule feels like it mostly only accommodates those that are consistently toxic over a short period of time ( ex: 1-2 years ) but it isn't really as fair to those that have had their accounts for 5+ years. it feels like the longer you've had the account, the more dire the consequences become if you make a mistake, have a streak of bad games, and so on. so, perhaps if the player has gone, lets say, a year without having any sort of bad streak of behavior, shouldn't that be rewarded with a ban drop off? or at the very least, the consequences of the ban to be less harsh? I feel like this would cause people to strive for good behavior much more, knowing that they can actually reform, and NOT lose their account if they had a bad streak.

please only offer constructive thoughts and criticism on the subject. [sg-ahri-2]

13 Comments

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

Good news! You actually will already decay ban tiers due to sufficient good behavior, and can even go down to a clean account status.

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286#h1q3

Zonderic1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=In5E98fL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-03T09:46:31.153+0000)

Good news! You actually will already decay ban tiers due to sufficient good behavior, and can even go down to a clean account status.

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286#h1q3

The bad news is if you have to play 1000 games to have it drop a tier but have 3 games maximum where you get reported and did no matter how slight even go towards the line you get perma banned even if youre on game 999/1000

Good behavior isnt relevant only not having bad behavior EVEr during that interem matters. Please dont lie to people.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

Says the person claiming it takes 1000 games to drop a tier. Good behavior will expedite it, neutral behavior will be slow it, toeing the line behavior will stall it.

Zonderic1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=In5E98fL,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-03T20:56:43.508+0000)

Says the person claiming it takes 1000 games to drop a tier. Good behavior will expedite it, neutral behavior will be slow it, toeing the line behavior will stall it.

That was OBVIOUSLY an example. Good behavior may expedite it but when it takes 3 months of good behavior and spamming games to drop a tier it is unfeasible to never make a mistake. This game actively encourages trolls because there are no proactive tools to fight them. You must be passive and allow yourself to be abused and yes that is actual abuse, and then tell on them after and pray riots shitty bot detects it. Because if you ever say anything even if you get 10 games of afks or trolls in a row, and that can happen, you will be banned. It is incredibly difficult to be nice to someone who thinks so little of you that they are willing to make you lose a game you coulda won. They think your time means nothing that your effort means nothing and that you mean nothing. Especially if it is in ranked. Losing because of a troll ruins 3 games worth of effort with one loss. You win a game then you get trolled and lose wasting 25 minutes plus ten for q and lobby in 2 games or more time so that's an hour plus now you have to make up for the game that was lost by the troll so about an hour and a half of your time is wasted by the effort of one troll holding you hostage with riots help.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Then how would you give a proactive tool to combat trolls?

Vote kick in pregame lobby; abusable by premades or even randoms who don't like a pick.

Kick and replace in game? People will cycle through to try and get better results.

Refunding LP? There would be a delay and probably would never realize it. On top of being potentially abusable.

Open to ideas.

Spiffy Senpai1 votes

I don't think this is even close to what I was explaining. it may take more for you to receive a ban, but that doesn't change the sentence that you receive. if you've been banned twice, you'll still receive a permanent ban on your next ban, no matter what it takes to receive it and how much you've improved, changed, or reformed in between.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I know what you mean, you will actually go down the punishment tiers and can get a lower tier punishment given sufficient reform. The punishment tiers are;

  • 10 game chat restriction
  • 25 game chat restriction
  • 14 day account ban
  • Permanent account ban

Let's say you go up the punishment tiers and eventually receive a 14 day account ban. That means that a permaban is next. However, if you show sufficient improvement over time you will start dropping down those tiers one at a time. The first time you decay that means your next punishment is a 14 day account ban, and so on.

You are correct that good behavior makes it less likely you'll be punished, but you do also decay down the tiers.

Spiffy Senpai1 votes

and yes I realize there is an honor system for "good behavior", but the rewards seem fake. you aren't REALLY being rewarded for good behavior. you're just receiving shiny "you did it!" stickers. if you have any marks on your account, they're bound to catch up to you some day, if you play the game long enough.

Spiffy Senpai1 votes

and another thought, because im an insomniac.

is it even possible for a player to own an account for 6+ years and not receive a single ban, despite being an active player? surely, I can't be the only one who thinks that it is absurd to expect a person to be on their best behavior in well over 3-4k games. even if you had between 100-150 bad behavior games, out of 3-4k games, that could still be cause enough for you to receive a permanent ban! I feel like that is just insane.

Mordius1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Spiffy Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=In5E98fL,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-03-03T09:50:43.191+0000)

and another thought, because im an insomniac.

is it even possible for a player to own an account for 6+ years and not receive a single ban, despite being an active player?

Yes, many people have.

AJStarhiker1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Spiffy Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=In5E98fL,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-03-03T09:50:43.191+0000)

and another thought, because im an insomniac.

is it even possible for a player to own an account for 6+ years and not receive a single ban, despite being an active player? surely, I can't be the only one who thinks that it is absurd to expect a person to be on their best behavior in well over 3-4k games. even if you had between 100-150 bad behavior games, out of 3-4k games, that could still be cause enough for you to receive a permanent ban! I feel like that is just insane.

raises hand

S1 with no penalties. It's not about being on my best behavior, it's about knowing when to hit Escape instead of Enter.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Closest I got to a punishment was the warnings they used to send out. (rip confusing warnings).

EvilDustMan1 votes

Good behavior: Key fragments

Bad behavior: Get banned, be an asshole, contribute to the social entropy.

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