Riot Tantram: Seeking Clarity on Previous Ban

Keldjur·Aug 13, 2018·2 votes·2,691 views

Hello.

1.5 years ago I was permanently banned, and received input from Riot Tantram on this thread. While I understand my behavior may have been deemed unacceptable, I'd like to ask for more clarity on the specifics of the accusations against my account Lovepet [EUW], as I am still unsure what precisely led to my punishment.

I would like to request more information on the following:

Examples of my improper behavior from the games mentioned. I give you permission to post part or all of my chat logs. A list of previous punishments, preferably with the date of the punishment. If possible, an estimate of the percentage of reports I received that were considered valid vs. the percentage considered invalid. I hope you are able to provide this, and I thank you in advance for your time. If you cannot or are not willing to, I understand.

Thanks to the Djinn for helping me make this thread.

42 Comments

ModThe DjinnAug 13, 20188 votes

As I stated at your last thread:

Simply wait, and do not respond to anything you feel is intended to provoke or anything you feel is off-topic. Just show that you can be the bigger person. Finally -- and most importantly -- be willing to admit that you might be wrong, and this could be deserved. If you are not willing to at least potentially admit fault, Tantram's time is wasted.

You are not doing this. Instead, you are doing THIS:

Cause he made the claim I had intentionally fed and soft-trolled whatever that is but never put forth any evidence for this. Let me ask you something... if your idol and favorite person in this world walked up on stage and say something that goes everything that you know, do you believe him just because he is your idol?

I have given riot permisison to post these as long as they dont take them out of context, not that I think they care.. they basically do what they want at this point it looks like.

I am not sure you understand that you are asking for something he is under no obligation to provide, and that means that your only real chance of getting the information you want is if you have a legitimate curiosity and do not merely want ammunition to further your accusations of lying. You broke the rules, he responded on your previous thread, and now you are asking him to dig deeper, which is something that 99.99% of banned players do not get. Further, I meant it when I said "As long as your thread is premised upon nothing but the assumption that he is lying to you, I can all but promise you he will see no reason to give you the time of day."

I see no reason, based on your behavior in the thread, to believe that you are using my wording in the tone it was intended, but rather merely as a nicer front for the same blunt Tantram-is-lying antagonism your previous thread was, and I do not see any reason he would see otherwise either.

KeldjurAug 13, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ijnjzgrq,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-13T11:21:36.969+0000)

As I stated at your last thread:

You are not doing this. Instead, you are doing THIS: Let me ask you something... if your idol and favorite person in this world walked up on stage and say something that goes everything that you know, do you believe him just because he is your idol?

I am not sure you understand that you are asking for something he is under no obligation to provide. You broke the rules, he responded on your previous thread, and now you are asking him to dig deeper, which is something that 99.99% of banned players do not get. Further, I meant it when I said "As long as your thread is premised upon nothing but the assumption that he is lying to you, I can all but promise you he will see no reason to give you the time of day."

I see no reason, based on your behavior in the thread, to believe that you are using my wording in the tone it was intended, but rather merely as a nicer front for the same blunt Tantram-is-lying antagonism your previous thread was, and I do not see any reason he would see otherwise either.

I am waiting but Im also responding to people who have questions and who is ignorant about the situation... but sure once again I take your advice and I ask of you to remove my comments if this helps tantram to answer my questions.

Also, I have never claimed I was innocent and I have not even talked about getting unbanned... so why would I not admit fault if I made a fault? I have yet to lie to you and yet to be wrong.

"I am not sure you understand that you are asking for something he is under no obligation to provide." <--- Yes you are 100% sure cause I informed you about that I did understand this 100% ... was that 2 or 3 days ago. That's why the thread went from "tantram answer" to "Lets speculate about why tantram did what he did" ... but noone wanted to speculate, people wanted to talk about other things not related to the topic.

What rules did I break?

He did respond...yes with a picture and an Image. I ask him to dig deeper cause that is what I believe you suggested and helped me with.

I see and once again then I ask of you to remove my comments if that helps him come in here and clarify his previous statements.

"I see no reason, based on your behavior in the thread, to believe that you are using my wording in the tone it was intended" <-- I just made a thread about this. I believe I told you this about 20 times... Please dont assume the worst. Allow me to explain myself and what I have not said to you but to other rioters, you cant translate your own feelings in to text and then claim someone is using a "tone" . Its not fair and how can I prove that you are in fact wrong in these assumptions that you yourself made out of thin air?

You viewing things in your own angle... that is what this thread is about: I talk about it and I talk what consiquenses it has had for me and also what it doest to the community and how its overall bad and not benefitting in the least. That's why I ask of you to once again stop assuming the worst about me. If you dont undertand ask and Im more then willing to explain myself.

Im not perfect and I did forget that you told me not to engage with provokative comments. Im sorry about this <-- I can admit fault when I see it and understand it.

If I had your contact info I could run everything by you first so that you can design it as you want in order for noone to misunderstand it or read things in to it that is not there... you know, assuming the worst.

Im here, trying to be open, honest and frindly. So far I dont see the same of you, that's why I was somewhat shocked that you did help me make this thread cause that is an act of kindness... but then you say these things that are just wrong about how I feel, think or act. <-- They are wrong!

Once again, if you think and feel that removing my comments increases the chance of tantram coming in here and providing the information that is requested or shed light on the situation or however you want to put it... then go ahead and do it. As previously stated Im here, Im honest , I cooperate and I try to be as respecful as I can. You expect a level of respect out of me, can I expect the same out of you? Cause I believe that you would punish me if I were to question your motives behind your words.

Once again I offer my contact information and my open hand in order to remove misundertanding and assumpions from the equation.

ModThe DjinnAug 13, 20186 votes

{quoted}...you cant translate your own feelings in to text and then claim someone is using a "tone".

You can, and it is done all the time. Writing has a tone. Behavior has a tone. When you use a post designed to ask, respectfully, for advice or for evidence, and then in the comments display the sort of behavior that I mentioned above, it is clear that the tone of the original post was insincere, because your behavior is not in keeping with the initial tone of the thread.

If I had your contact info I could run everything by you first so that you can design it as you want...

Bluntly, it is not my job to preapprove everything you do. I offered input into your last thread, and here because I saw you explicitly not following what I laid out as your best chance -- if still a rather unlikely chance, given the last two threads.

...Cause I believe that you would punish me if I were to question your motives behind your words.

You can question my motives all you want, provided you follow the Universal Rules while doing so.

KeldjurAug 13, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ijnjzgrq,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-08-13T11:52:38.438+0000)

You can, and it is done all the time. Writing has a tone. Behavior has a tone. When you use a post designed to ask, respectfully, for advice or for evidence, and then in the comments display the sort of behavior that I mentioned above, it is clear that the tone of the original post was insincere, because your behavior is not in keeping with the initial tone of the thread.

Bluntly, it is not my job to preapprove everything you do. I offered input into your last thread, and here because I saw you explicitly not following what I laid out as your best chance -- if still a rather unlikely chance, given the last two threads.

You can question my motives all you want, provided you follow the Universal Rules while doing so.

I dont agree with you at all and here is why. Take Sarcasm and Irony as an example. Both need body language and tone to be performed. You can't do it in text form... saying that someone sux and then claim it was sarcasm, because you cant set a tone in your voice and you cant show body language.

Same with: Ohh you are so damn good djinn, you are the best lolplayer I have ever seen <-- Was this sarcsm or me genuinely thinking you are good? You have no idea since there is no voice and there is no body language.. this is where you have to assume and I asked you a lot to not assume, but rather to ask me what I mean and allow me to explain myself... This because you have missunderstood a lot of what I have done and said (as I have proven) and I have been punished for these missundertandings (wich I have proven). I ask you once more to allow me to explain rather then you assuming the worst.

Writing has no tone... or at least I dont have, the worst I use are the words I use, there are no tone behind them, I dont yell them nor whisper them. I want them to be read as is and with the definition that comes with the word. If the words that forms the sentence is not understood I ask you to allow me to explain myself, that is all really.

Tone to me is when I get angry, you can hear my voice get louder and I start using a lot more swear words and trying to unleach my inner fury... Its also when Im flirting and I speak softly and calm , using words that conciders to be more beautiful...

If I type the sun went down, the sun went down. I dont mean it sarcastically nor ironically... the sun went down.

"and here because I saw you explicitly not following what I laid out as your best chance " Again this is not true and I wrote to you about this... very recently. I told you that I made a misstake, I forgot that you asked me not to engage with provokative people... and if you have been following me you know this is what Im doing and the reason for why I do it (I made a thread about it explaining why) This is just a test, feel free to ignore it: Im here telling you this over and over because I do see you all the time explicitly not following what I laid out as your best chance to understand that you keep assuming the worst<-- This is a test. Its built on the theory that everything got a password... hence is this the passowrd to understanding? This is not ment as a provokation nor a tone.. its based on a theory on communication.

I have been punished from these forums while following the rules.

The Djinn, one again and I believe this is the 3rd time I offer you my contact information and my open hand... If you want to keep doing this the long, boring and time consuming way then we can do that... If you want to do this the fast, short and productive way you just have to take my open and outreached hand.

KeldjurAug 13, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ijnjzgrq,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-08-13T11:52:38.438+0000)

You can, and it is done all the time. Writing has a tone. Behavior has a tone. When you use a post designed to ask, respectfully, for advice or for evidence, and then in the comments display the sort of behavior that I mentioned above, it is clear that the tone of the original post was insincere, because your behavior is not in keeping with the initial tone of the thread.

Bluntly, it is not my job to preapprove everything you do. I offered input into your last thread, and here because I saw you explicitly not following what I laid out as your best chance -- if still a rather unlikely chance, given the last two threads.

You can question my motives all you want, provided you follow the Universal Rules while doing so.

So, what do you think is a resonable amount of time to determine tantram wont comment on this and I can move on? Clatification: How long should I wait before I can make the same thread as I previously did where we are allowed to speculate about the actions since the person who made the action wont speak about them? You know, like they do in other forums "Why did trump say this!?" <-- This question has been talked about and speculated about a lot... am I allowed to speculate about rioters actions within these forums?

These are genuine question with no ill-will behind them nor anything evil at all. I believe I was fair waiting until a work-day before I posted this thread that you helped me with. As previously stated, Im trying to be as respectful and cooperative as I can and I have quesitons on how to avoid getting punished by you when I try to make threads... Can we talk about that or can you help me or who should I do what with to get help in here?

ModThe DjinnAug 13, 20183 votes

{quoted}So, what do you think is a resonable amount of time to determine tantram wont comment on this and I can move on?

Two to four days, as he's often here but not always.

Clatification: How long should I wait before I can make the same thread as I previously did where we are allowed to speculate about the actions since the person who made the action wont speak about them?

If you continue to make frequent call-out threads targeting an individual (Riot or otherwise), then I will warn you in advance that they may be moderated for spam.

am I allowed to speculate about rioters actions within these forums?

Within reason, yes. If you repeatedly make threads calling out a specific individual over a 1.5 year old issue that the Rioter in question has already weighed in on personally, we may have issues. You do not get to keep calling him out personally simply because he hasn't provided the evidence you want, especially since a Support Ticket (not the boards) is the best way to get additional information on a punishment, and providing additional evidence is not Tantram's job.

KeldjurAug 13, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ijnjzgrq,comment-id=00030000000000010000,timestamp=2018-08-13T12:43:09.557+0000)

Two to four days, as he's often here but not always.

If you continue to make frequent call-out threads targeting an individual (Riot or otherwise), then I will warn you in advance that they may be moderated for spam.

Within reason, yes. If you repeatedly make threads calling out a specific individual over a 1.5 year old issue that the Rioter in question has already weighed in on personally, we may have issues. You do not get to keep calling him out personally simply because he hasn't provided the evidence you want, especially since a Support Ticket (not the boards) is the best way to get additional information on a punishment, and providing additional evidence is not Tantram's job.

Again the Djinn: Please stop the assumptions. My motivaiton nor my reasoning was never to call out anyone. <-- PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS If you want I can absolutly call out individuals but as they are not obligated to comment nor answer me there is no point in doing this. For you to assume that is even crossing my mind... again assuming the worst. I asked you top stop this I even made a thread about it where I explain it so I dont have to say it over and over and over again.... These are also not frequent.

This is a rhetorical quesiton: How many peopel have called out Gaben when they have problems with Steam? <-- To prove my point... and my point is that you , him and a lot others are related to riot games. Noone here got a problem with any of you indivudally nor personally. I have a problem with the systems and principles you uphold... like this assuming the worst principel and system. As of now Im doing everything I can and I try to be as clear as I can and even using you as exampels to prove that you are in fact doing what Im saying you are doing, and that it in fact causes problems for others, like me. These are systems... if these were individual calls, then why would anyone allow this behavior from a single individual? Noone wouldnt, but when its a system and everyone does it, its accepted. Just like any civil disobedienc, cause you cant punish them/us all.

Spam... yes, I made a thread about this too and we have to make a new thread about this. If I were to google "spam computer definition" you get this: When not referring to the tasty potted meat product, spam is unsolicited junk email sent indiscriminately in bulk, often for commercial purposes. Much of it is sent by botnets, networks of virus-infected computers, complicating the process of tracking down the spammers. If you ask an IT professor or educator you get about the same answer... Only from uneducated people in the subject you get the answer "it means to repeat" ... it doesnt. What the general population in lol think spam is, is in reality "flooding": Flooding or scrolling on an IRC network is a method of disconnecting users from an IRC server (a form of Denial of Service), exhausting bandwidth which causes network latency ('lag'), or just disrupting users. Floods can either be done by scripts (written for a given client) or by external programs. <--

Please understand that you once again assumes the worst. Thats not at all what Im doing and once again I ask you to ask me to explain rather then you assuming the worst. I dont call him out, if he want to clarify what he said then so be it, Im more then willing to listen and cooperate if that helps him to answer, I have proven this and said this.

Understand that I have already asked one of you in these forums what to do about my situation... he/she said "I dont know" <-- At that time all my accounts are banned in the ticket support. ALl my accounts were banned in these forums. There were 0 way to get in contact with you... If you were to look at this accuont Im using now its kinda new, Im the only one playing on it and I made it. You can not make a thread in here nor comment unless you are level 10(?) that means what, 50-100 games of lol(?) . I didnt have the time nor the reason to do it at that time. I made this current account to play with friends on EUW becuase my other account was on EUNE, when I reached level 10 I did remember I could make threads again... so I did <-- This is what happen. Again, Im here explaining so noone have to assume the worst nor try to speak for me. Okey, I wait 2-4 days and then you help make me a "Speculate about tantram" thread.. is that okey?

Also, 4th time since you ignored it previously... My arm is stretched out and my hand is open. Im willing to share my contact information for you to help me avoid troubles in the future. <--

Thing is I can absolutly make a support ticket, buy my expierence from there.. well you have seen it already and if you have not. They have lied to me , treated me really badly, assumed the worst, not listening to me, labeled me, judged me, ignored me etc etc etc... only becuase.. yeah you tell me... cause they won't.

ModThe DjinnAug 13, 20183 votes

{quoted}My motivaiton nor my reasoning was never to call out anyone. <-- PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS

Your thread title explicitly does this: Riot-Tantram lying, why? That's specifically calling him out, as is the thread saying "here's all this stuff he said that isn't correct." If that is not your intent or your motivation, then your wording and your presentation is not reflecting your intent at all.

If you ask an IT professor or educator you get about the same answer... Only from uneducated people in the subject you get the answer "it means to repeat" ... it doesnt. What the general population in lol think spam is, is in reality "flooding": Flooding or scrolling on an IRC network is a method of disconnecting users from an IRC server (a form of Denial of Service), exhausting bandwidth which causes network latency ('lag'), or just disrupting users. Floods can either be done by scripts (written for a given client) or by external programs. <--

What matters is the board definition, not the IT Professor definition. Repeated threads by an individual on the same topic qualify as spam, and are subject to potential removal.

At that time all my accounts are banned in the ticket support.

This should be an indication that something in the manner of your inquiries is not appropriate. Banning someone from support is not something that is done lightly.

Okey, I wait 2-4 days and then you help make me a "Speculate about tantram" thread.. is that okey?

Also, 4th time since you ignored it previously... My arm is stretched out and my hand is open. Im willing to share my contact information for you to help me avoid troubles in the future. <--

No, that is not okay. It is not my responsibility to help you tailor your threads or content every time you want to post something, especially when I personally think you have gotten all the feeback from Riot you are likely to get. I offered help on the last thread you made, but this is not something I want to take on as a pet project.

Best of luck to you, but this will be my last post on this subject.

KeldjurAug 13, 20181 votes

"Your thread title explicitly does this: Riot-Tantram lying, why? That's specifically calling him out, as is the thread saying "here's all this stuff he said that isn't correct." If that is not your intent or your motivation, then your wording and your presentation is not reflecting your intent at all."

No this is wrong as well. The Djinn, how many times have I now asked you to stop assuming but to ask me to explain my own wordings for you? Im right here and I believe I have answered any question that has been coming my way and I have also explained everythign that people wondering about or gotten wrong, trying to be as respectful as I can... and honestly, I know that I would be banned really fast if I were to act as I believe you are acting right now.

I wrote to you today, this: "I am not sure you understand that you are asking for something he is under no obligation to provide." <--- Yes you are 100% sure cause I informed you about that I did understand this 100% ... was that 2 or 3 days ago. That's why the thread went from "tantram answer" to "Lets speculate about why tantram did what he did" ... but noone wanted to speculate, people wanted to talk about other things not related to the topic. <---

Please allow me to explain myself, noone has to assume anything about me nor what I do nor what I say. Im here able to answer questions <--- By assuming the worst about people you are in fact provoking them. Im not that easy to provoke (and thank a holy power for this)

" If that is not your intent or your motivation, then your wording and your presentation is not reflecting your intent at all." this is why I talked to you about not everyone speaking english on the same level as you... <-- remember this converstation? I beleive i wrote to you like 3 time about this. This is why you need to allow people to explain things to you and you should not assume the worst just becuase not everyone is able to express themselves as well as you do.... or the way you do to translate things the way you do.

"What matters is the board definition, not the IT Professor definition. Repeated threads by an individual on the same topic qualify as spam, and are subject to potential removal." <-- This is also a thread I made. If I say Hello <-- rest of the world this is me greeting someone. If your board translate this in to a bad word and you ban me... what's the purpose of that? If you can't play by the rules of the world... using the same language as the rest of the world and same principles.... but you need to reform and change the meaning of words... then why are you doing this? Why cant "bird" mean "bird" and "spam" mean "spam"? Why do you need to change the way you talk to cater to uneducated minds? ... It only results in educated minds calling you(no not you personally) out on your ignorane about the langauge and the history of internet. <-- This is what I did in another previous threat trying to get a discussion going as to why you change definition of words in order to punish players. (thats me speculating from experience with you)

"This should be an indication that something in the manner of your inquiries is not appropriate. Banning someone from support is not something that is done lightly." well it was... and you can believe me or not... I was banned for asking to speak with a supervisor... I logged on to my other account and made another ticket where I asked to speak with a supervisor and I got to to speak with one... want to logs to prove that Im telling you the truth? Once again you assume the worst.. well you assume that you and your co-workers did everythign 100% and Im the evil force here... that is not the case and I ask of you to stop assume and try to be objective. As a former support myself I can honestly tell you that I never let my personal feelings or opinions get in the way of my support. I was objective and focused on a solution/fix... not to argue with a client nor to assume the worst about them. I did however assume what might be the issue for the customer based on "cold reading" during a conversation... but those are assumptions where you dont try to speak for someone else but rather excluding potential problems.

"No, that is not okay. It is not my responsibility to help you tailor your threads or content every time you want to post something" I understand and I am very thankful that you did help me with the previous thread.. the post-thread assumption about me having a tone etc was not very pleasing though. I could really have been without that as there were not tone at all. I posted it as was only added that you helped me (credit where credit is due) and then went on to do a misstake by engaging with provokers... a misstake Idid admit cause Idont have pride and I can admit misstakes, can you Djinn?

"especially when I personally think you have gotten all the feeback from Riot you are likely to get." Ofc , why would I think any other way with the experience I have? Also everything points to me being correct about most everything and have yet to be proven wrong once.

"I offered help on the last thread you made, but this is not something I want to take on as a pet project." I understand... but this is not the way I look at supporting. Personally when I was a support I looked at myself as the link between the customer and the company. I was there for the customer and not the company. I was there to help and guide the customer within the company cause I knew the company and the customer didnt. I made suggestions based on customers needs, not companies needs... why? Cause according to business school a customer focused company is a proffiting company.

"Best of luck to you, but this will be my last post on this subject." I doubt it... but okey. I hope that one day I get my point across.

MOLTinaTORAug 13, 20184 votes

No this is wrong as well. The Djinn, how many times have I now asked you to stop assuming but to ask me to explain my own wordings for you? Im right here and I believe I have answered any question that has been coming my way and I have also explained everythign that people wondering about or gotten wrong, trying to be as respectful as I can... and honestly, I know that I would be banned really fast if I were to act as I believe you are acting right now.

I don't think you understand what he's trying to say. He's saying that the way you presented your stuff came out as you calling him out. Your intent maybe different but your presentation came out as Djinn said. He's no assuming anything.

KeldjurAug 13, 20181 votes

Remember why I made this thread? I made it by request from you and by help from you. Reason was to avoid people coming in here and going offtopic, I believe you said they wouldnt.. well... now we are here and it looks like you were wrong. Will you do something about it or should I wait 2-4 days and then just let all the off-topic comments have it (Within the universal rules ofc) ?

Btw, are you allowed to be offtopic... if you are allowed then why am I complaining and not ruining everyone elses thread like people are doing with mine? .. you know, being part of this community as I experience it.

EvilDustManAug 13, 20183 votes

{quoted}

Spam... yes, I made a thread about this too and we have to make a new thread about this. If I were to google "spam computer definition" you get this: When not referring to the tasty potted meat product, spam is unsolicited junk email sent indiscriminately in bulk, often for commercial purposes. Much of it is sent by botnets, networks of virus-infected computers, complicating the process of tracking down the spammers. If you ask an IT professor or educator you get about the same answer... Only from uneducated people in the subject you get the answer "it means to repeat" ... it doesnt. What the general population in lol think spam is, is in reality "flooding": Flooding or scrolling on an IRC network is a method of disconnecting users from an IRC server (a form of Denial of Service), exhausting bandwidth which causes network latency ('lag'), or just disrupting users. Floods can either be done by scripts (written for a given client) or by external programs. <--

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming

https://www.templetons.com/brad/spamterm.html

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/09/how-the-word-spam-came-to-mean-junk-message/

I, meanwhile, actually have sources.

KeldjurAug 13, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ijnjzgrq,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-13T11:21:36.969+0000)

As I stated at your last thread:

You are not doing this. Instead, you are doing THIS: Let me ask you something... if your idol and favorite person in this world walked up on stage and say something that goes everything that you know, do you believe him just because he is your idol?

I am not sure you understand that you are asking for something he is under no obligation to provide, and that means that your only real chance of getting the information you want is if you have a legitimate curiosity and do not merely want ammunition to further your accusations of lying. You broke the rules, he responded on your previous thread, and now you are asking him to dig deeper, which is something that 99.99% of banned players do not get. Further, I meant it when I said "As long as your thread is premised upon nothing but the assumption that he is lying to you, I can all but promise you he will see no reason to give you the time of day."

I see no reason, based on your behavior in the thread, to believe that you are using my wording in the tone it was intended, but rather merely as a nicer front for the same blunt Tantram-is-lying antagonism your previous thread was, and I do not see any reason he would see otherwise either.

I have deleted my previous comments by your request, feel free to remove them 100%.

Kei143Aug 13, 20184 votes

Just lock the tread. I don't think anything productive will come out of this.

It's just spam.

PurpleYukariAug 13, 20185 votes

It seems like the OP has all the information he needs on why he is banned and is just dragging this out because he doesn't want to accept it, and wants to harass riot employees and anyone else until he gets unbanned. Are we done here?

MOLTinaTORAug 13, 20184 votes

I just saw riot Tantrum's pinned comment. You did a lot of bad stuff according to what he said, that game that you got banned for is nothing compared to what you did, according to his pinned comment.

KeldjurAug 13, 20181 votes

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MOLTinaTORAug 13, 20183 votes

Yes, so what did I do then? Cause he made the claim I had intentionally fed and soft-trolled whatever that is but never put forth any evidence for this. Let me ask you something... if your idol and favorite person in this world walked up on stage and say something that goes everything that you know, do you believe him just because he is your idol?

You did what he said you did. He can see everything about your account. He's not my idol, I believe him because he's a riot employee and he got more credibility than you do. If he said you did that then he's not bluffing. Why would he? Why would he pull shit out of his ass for no reason? Makes no sense.

KeldjurAug 13, 20181 votes

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MOLTinaTORAug 13, 20185 votes

No I did not do what he said I did, that is why I made the previous thread and this thread and did question him in the original thread. If I did what he claim I did there would be no problem in showing everyone what I did and that Im lying about not doing it. I have given riot permission to show logs and everything related to me in their clients.

So you're saying that he's lying about your punishment for no absolute reason?

I understand he is not your idol, never claimed he was... and this is where I would like to ask you to stop assume. Please answer the question I posted you: Let me ask you something... if your idol and favorite person in this world walked up on stage and say something that goes everything that you know, do you believe him just because he is your

To answer your question, NO. This rhetorical question is irrelevant to this topic btw. I don't know why you keep pushing it.

I can answer questions without any problems, but everyone else seams to have huge problems answering my quesitons, heck even to understand them.

We understand what you're trying to say. You're saying that riot Tantrum is lying and you did nothing of what he said.

You can believe what you want to believe and you can have whatever opinion you want. So what? Your opinion doesnt matter at all to me since my opinion doesnt matter to you, what goes around comes around... you get out what you put in.

Except that yours isn't an opinion. You're blatantly saying that riot Tantrum is lying. This is called an accusation. You're accusing him of lying.

No he does not have mor credibility then I do and riot employees have been caught lying and being evil more then I have... you have yet to prove that I have lied once while I can bring up at least 50 cases where riot-related people have lied or been evil. So again your opinion doesnt matter to me cause it doesnt even touch the truth of my life experience.

But then again, ask yourself. WHY would he lie in the first place? Why would he go through the fuss of creating all those fake stuff that he said you did? You being someone that he holds no grudge against. Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

rtbf223380511Aug 13, 20181 votes

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I just saw riot Tantrum's pinned comment. You did a lot of bad stuff according to what he said, that game that you got banned for is nothing compared to what you did, according to his pinned comment.

Link?

MOLTinaTORAug 13, 20181 votes

Link?

The OP provided the link. Click it and check the pinned post.

7deadLeeSlnzAug 13, 20184 votes

Geez, just let it go. You can create 10 more threads about this and it wont change a thing.

I can bring up at least 50 cases where riot-related people have lied or been evil.

'kay then, post a link where a Riot employee has done so and did not get some form of punishment.

VoldymortAug 13, 20184 votes

you're not going to let this go, are you?

MOLTinaTORAug 13, 20183 votes

you're not going to let this go, are you?

The OP is literally taking every point presented to them, twisting it around so they can answer it their way and throwing a pointless, irrelevant answer to the one who made the points. This is the whole thread.

EvilDustManAug 13, 20188 votes

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The OP is literally taking every point presented to them, twisting it around so they can answer it their way and throwing a pointless, irrelevant answer to the one who made the points. This is the whole thread.

OP should consider a life in politics

ModPrandineAug 14, 20182 votes

To quote Wizard101 Central member Magus Zeppers:

Ever read or hear of the story "The boy that cried wolf", these "this is that last straw" threads follow the same pattern.

Thats what I get from many of these complaints. I dont mean to attack anyone, but when they themselves attack (You cant tell me you werent attacking others* on the matter), why should they expect anything in return?

...

As far as "educated" opinions, you got them. You just cant handle them because they did not fall in line with your beliefs. Welcome to the real world.

I try to be "civil". And I respect your opinion when stated in a reasonable fashion (not necessarily a rant screaming im gonna quit). Understand that its a two way street.

You yourself lashed out regarding "educated" responses. This in itself shows a lack of respect to others, simply because they did not agree with you.

K A R M A

*edited to fit more in line with this discussion.

disregardableAug 13, 20181 votes

the chat logs are in the thread, though.

colonel crancAug 13, 20181 votes

please. How many threads are you going to make?

DrCyanideAug 13, 20181 votes

You might be able to take advantage of the EU's GDPR law to request all chat logs, all previous punishments, and the reports against you, provided you can log in on that account still (which you should be able to) and are willing to wait up to 30 days for the response.

Not sure on the valid vs invalid breakdown of those reports, but it might be included with that data already.

zPOOPzAug 13, 20181 votes

I think you can request those info for like $5 without going through all the fuss of the law. There's a form to request all your chat logs and reports somewhere.....

DrCyanideAug 13, 20181 votes

My understanding was that the $5 was to request some of that information. The EU's law made it so that tech companies required to tell people what data they have on them when requested, and to my understanding it's free of charge.

zPOOPzAug 13, 20181 votes

I see

Silent GravityAug 13, 20181 votes

It's free now.

zPOOPzAug 13, 20181 votes

really? Do you happen to have link?

Imperial PandaaAug 14, 20181 votes

There should be an option when filling out a support ticket to request it.

Silent GravityAug 14, 20181 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new To create a ticket.

Then select: "I need help with account management, data requests, or deletion"

With the option, "I would like to request my account data"

In 30 days (the delay is to prevent giving this information out to a compromised account) Blitzcrank bot will email you the results.

Jo0oAug 13, 20181 votes

Bro.

Quiet DudeAug 13, 20181 votes

http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/are-you-feeling-it-now-mr-krabs-gif-1.gif

XidphelAug 13, 20181 votes

As a Rioter once said:

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

ChauvinPlaysLoLAug 25, 20181 votes

I’ve been reading these discussions and must say, Keldjur, man, what do you want?

Discredit Tantram? I’m sorry but I see little to no chance in that happening. Remember, you’re in the small percentage of people that are actually punished. Your behaviour on the Boards just goes to show you have a hard time letting go mate.

Just move on. Life is more than getting smited on the Boards.