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people who give up(negative attitude) and ruin the chance of a comeback, by making it worse .

falldown010··4 votes·1,241 views

So in all my games so far, i have had atleast one of these players in short : they complain,surrender asap towers get lost, rush in and force players to come with them leading to useless deaths , and worst of all , going in when you should be defending

so here's how it goes most of the time, person A (mostly bot lane though) blames person B (always the supp ) Person B does the same , but blames mid,jngl or top it then continue's they keep pining, but the jungler refuses to gank,(the enemy adc was fed to the point, where he could kill the underleveled jungler) so we tell them to play safe, 1 min later, they go out again, and die again,Person B starts raging at mid, mid tells them to keep it down etc

now the worst part is always this , when the enemy team is fed, they get baron, you'd expect them to think over it , or atleast defend, but no they rush in with the 3 carry champs on your team, killing only 1 enemy, so me and other person are left to the defend, while 4 champs with a baron buff rush the nexus i told them in chat 5 times, not to go in, but Person B insisted on going in , and the other 2 naturally followed him .

I truly hate players who bring a negative spirit and drags everyone down, espially if its the support, in worst case scenario's you should never go tell them what you think , because 70% of the time, you will end up making an arguemnt, that breaks out in a verbal teamfight in your own team

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27 Comments

ComeOnAndSlamJam3 votes

As a counterpoint, I'd add that the "never give up, never surrender" players make games worse by dragging an obvious loss out from 20 minutes to 35 minutes.

It's double dumb if part of their reasoning is "you get more IP if you lose without surrendering.".

Sure. You'll get an extra 5IP on that loss. Or you could play two games in that time, and even if you lose both, get twice as much IP.

GigglesO1 votes

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As a counterpoint, I'd add that the "never give up, never surrender" players make games worse by dragging an obvious loss out from 20 minutes to 35 minutes.

Or worse a 50 minute loss because the enemy is ahead of your team, and they outscale you...

falldown0101 votes

well you can still win, but if there a person who keeps reminding the team to surrender, and runs in like a chicken with no head, then i will get pssd off as well, since my motto is never surrender, and wait for a comeback

but i can see where you are coming from, but if you work together you can make a comeback, unless like the example above, there are 2 or 3 players who keep facing them head on, feeding the enemy useless kills

falldown0101 votes

well depends, then again , if you make a comeback, it can make you feel really good, and if you win that game, i would take that game over 2 wins because you got back at them , and showed that negative person on your team , that you can still win

GigglesO2 votes

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So in all my games so far, i have had atleast one of these players in short : they complain,surrender asap towers get lost, rush in and force players to come with them leading to useless deaths , and worst of all , going in when you should be defending

so here's how it goes most of the time, person A (mostly bot lane though) blames person B (always the supp ) Person B does the same , but blames mid,jngl or top it then continue's they keep pining, but the jungler refuses to gank,(the enemy adc was fed to the point, where he could kill the underleveled jungler) so we tell them to play safe, 1 min later, they go out again, and die again,Person B starts raging at mid, mid tells them to keep it down etc

When its a 4v2 botlane it is pretty hard not to blame the other lanes. Hell, I've even had a 4v1 in toplane, where... team, what are you doing?

There is a reason these people are so frustrated. 1 4v2 can win botlane, but its never just 1, it's 3-4 of them in a row. Most of the time the people giving up are because they are tired of the BS that the other lanes aren't pushing while they are in a clearly outnumbered scenario. Also, its pretty hard to defend 1v2 or even 1v3 while the team does what? Stand in base?

ComeOnAndSlamJam3 votes

This too. I'm a support main. I've had games where the ADC and I try to clear waves and keep from getting dived.

All while the jungler farms his side of the jungle, and top and mid continue last hitting, rather than clearing waves and pushing to enemy towers to punish them for being bot.

If you don't respond to a 4v2 bot lane, by either going bot yourself, or pushing to enemy towers in top/mid, you're taking away the only drawback that 4v2 strat has for the enemy team, and you're likely throwing the game.

Who cares if you get 3 more devourer stacks, if bot gets totally fucked? Get over your devourer farming autism and help take a tower elsewhere, or go bot.

GigglesO1 votes

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This too. I'm a support main. I've had games where the ADC and I try to clear waves and keep from getting dived.

All while the jungler farms his side of the jungle, and top and mid continue last hitting, rather than clearing waves and pushing to enemy towers to punish them for being bot.

If you don't respond to a 4v2 bot lane, by either going bot yourself, or pushing to enemy towers in top/mid, you're taking away the only drawback that 4v2 strat has for the enemy team, and you're likely throwing the game.

Who cares if you get 3 more devourer stacks, if bot gets totally fucked? Get over your devourer farming autism and help take a tower elsewhere, or go bot.

100% agreement. I've actually started putting a zz'rot portal (sometimes first item) behind mid tower as the support so it has to push if the enemy roams. If the mid lane argues with you then I tell them too bad, you should have pushed to tower while we were getting 4v2'd.

falldown0101 votes

^ this, but in my experience, the enemy just destroys it , unless i defend it so yeah , i avoid zzrot now, and take the banner instead

GigglesO1 votes

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^ this, but in my experience, the enemy just destroys it , unless i defend it so yeah , i avoid zzrot now, and take the banner instead

Part of it is just having the added lane presence, because if the mid laner doesn't leave his lane and the enemy does, it forces that lane to push. If your mid laner doesn't leave lane the enemy also can't destroy it (easily).

edit: I should also note, this is behind the tower, not infront. Infront is wayyyyyy to easily destroyed.

falldown0101 votes

well i push instead, but the main thing that bothers me , is leaving towers alone, when you can defend take for this instance, i was playing as morde, defending the mid tower all the time the enemy kept tryng to push, i simply cleared the way, and defended, and gave bot lane some time to push and take the tower,

but the jungler was farming, when i asked what he was doing, he insisted on getting his devour fully stacked, because , hey its oh so important in general i dont mind defending, as long as you do something useful for the team , even if its simply killing a wave or lending a hand, but if you see a lane getting pushed , and people are gathering, and you simply keep staying in your jungle, it can create arguments sometimes

GigglesO1 votes

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well i push instead, but the main thing that bothers me , is leaving towers alone, when you can defend take for this instance, i was playing as morde, defending the mid tower all the time the enemy kept tryng to push, i simply cleared the way, and defended, and gave bot lane some time to push and take the tower,

but the jungler was farming, when i asked what he was doing, he insisted on getting his devour fully stacked, because , hey its oh so important in general i dont mind defending, as long as you do something useful for the team , even if its simply killing a wave or lending a hand, but if you see a lane getting pushed , and people are gathering, and you simply keep staying in your jungle, it can create arguments sometimes

100%, the funny thing about your devourer comment is that the junglers that gank actually normally get it first... There are some really easy ganks out there if the jungler would just look around.

Speaking of looking around. My favorite argument to not having map awareness and pinging mia's is "I was dead" Honestly being dead is the best time to look around.

56552559_DEL1 votes

I actually had to leave bot lane because of this. Im an ADC main and i play top as my secondary main role. Any time i am in bot lane, 1 of these 3 things happens:

  1. i get a shit support who only goes after the other support and blames me for not attacking the support (most of the time its a tank support which is why i never bother and instead go for the adc at that point)

  2. i get a good support but the jg is shit. i would have to deal with a 3-4v2 in bot lane for 3 times in the first 20 minutes while the jg either afk farms despite being bot side for possible help or pushes mid or top every time while giving the excuse that they need help (yea well the mid/top lane k/d/a says different asshole)

  3. i get both A and B

Ever since this new season started it has been like this for me. It has gotten worse in the past couple of weeks. Its like these people would rather complain about you failing in your lane (even though they provide absolutely no help and give no intention of helping) than actually acting as a teammate and helping by either ganking, showing presence or preventing a gank.

That is why i left bot lane for a while, just got tired of people not wanting to work as a team in a TEAM game.

GigglesO1 votes

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  1. i get both A and B

There is a reason when I don't play jungle or support I normally dislike both players.

I had a discussion with a friends (a jungle main) about this... and his argument is that the jungler is actually a "support", and when you think about it it makes sense. Junglers need to keep objective control, and they need to help the lanes if they are failing or punish the enemy if they are bad. If you think about it what are supports there for? Well they are to keep objective control, and help the adc if they are failing, or punish the enemy if they are bad...

Why do junglers get blamed for when a lane is losing? They get blamed for not helping, while the enemy jungler is doing something.

Why do supports get blamed for when a lane is losing? They get blamed for not helping, while the enemy support is doing something.

They have the same purpose, to support and help the team. Both roles can have damage carries Annie Velkoz MasterYi Vi , and both can have control carries Nunu Braum and ect...

56552559_DEL1 votes

But the main problem i am seeing with Jg is that despite the other teams jg ganking, i have always seen my jg just farming and not doing ANY obj control. If they are at krugs or gromp or blue/red buff (depending on what side you are on) and they are farming while i am having to deal with a 3 man gank squad, i would ping for help, not to gank but just to have a standoff to see who would back off first. I wouldnt need a gank, just something to relieve the pressure so i can farm again. Not only that but even if there is a 3 man squad in bot, my jg just stays in his jg the whole time without pressuring any other lane. OR he will completely neglect bot lane and continue pushing top and mid and knowing that we lose lane because while he is focused on 2 lanes we are dealing with a 3v2 in bot where they have 2 dmg dealers to our 1 (me) and our jg is helping to feed the other 2 lanes while we get starved and then WE get blamed for not winning lane. THAT is what i am having to deal with every time i play bot lane.

I actually had a WW one time where i was pinging for help the whole time pre-lvl 6 and we got tower dove and both me and my support died and i asked why the hell he didnt do anything. His excuse "because i dont have my ult yet". I didnt care about his ult, i just wanted him for his presence so the others would back the hell off and let me catch up on farm. Those are the jg i keep getting where they just outright refuse to even show presence just so the adc can catch up on farm since the enemy jg as in lane preventing that.

Its not that hard.

GigglesO1 votes

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Its not that hard.

Sometimes it is actually that hard, certain champs like WW do have a very hard time putting any presence before level 6. That is why most junglers tax lanes when they are forced to show up for presence without being able to get an actual gank off. Most of the time a jungler showing up should be an expected occurrence, so you should actually be able to fight 2v3 or 1v2 for a short period of time. Because in those cases you might be getting starved some cs, but the enemy jungler isn't getting any camps as long as you don't feed kills.

It effectively makes the enemy lose exp and gold potential...

The real problem is 3v1's in solo lanes and 4v2's in duo lanes, without your team taking towers.

56552559_DEL1 votes

All he had to do was show presence. I say its not hard because when you have a champ like WW and an ADC, you dont need level 6 to be effective, just a little presence and/or harass will work and that should be enough time for the ADC to catch up on some farm and while the other jg is in the same lane, then Top and Mid should take that opportunity to push THEIR lanes up since they know where everyone on the map is.

Whenever i get cooperative teammates that listen, its amazing how much it actually works.

falldown0101 votes

yeah, but there always a bad apple Amumu who breaks the tree from the inside

GigglesO1 votes

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All he had to do was show presence. I say its not hard because when you have a champ like WW and an ADC, you dont need level 6 to be effective, just a little presence and/or harass will work and that should be enough time for the ADC to catch up on some farm and while the other jg is in the same lane, then Top and Mid should take that opportunity to push THEIR lanes up since they know where everyone on the map is.

Whenever i get cooperative teammates that listen, its amazing how much it actually works.

Except that WW is fully melee, and rather squishy early game, and he might even just end up feeding kills if he shows up with the situation you described. Also, not all champs can push up their lanes even if they do know where all champs are. Have you laned against a zed recently? He can still completely destroy a wave of minions.

56552559_DEL1 votes

I understand that but that was only 1 instance out of all the jg i ever had. The point is just to allow the adc to get enough farm to back to pick up another piece of an item. I dont care about ganks for anything like that because most of the time, just a jg showing presence is enough for the other team to back off enough for someone to do something.

That is my main issue. The WW is beside the point.

falldown0101 votes

well in my experience, i always had to solo defend, because my team rushed in to kill the fed jax or etc and it always ended bad, on rare occasions though, i had games, where my team where in sync , and we defended, and got rid of their baron buff

but i get where you're coming from, but it comes down to your jungler in the end if you give enemy adc kills early, the jungler ganks , you can get back its fine, but if the dont go in, and just let your jungler do the work, and he ends up dyng, while you complain, he is bound to leave your lane alone

as for top, i do tp in quite some times, if can see or know , that they will go in , if i see they are coward and play so passively, then i wont even bother, because in the end, its a waste, if i end up dyng on my own

Tyrone Lannister2 votes

Heres my super secret way to not let the flamers get to me. I dont care what they say. And if they get to obnoxious then they get muted. To easy

Kallian1 votes

this is why i dont flame my supp, i recognize my mistakes in chat and ask for help on them. never forget to stay passive to your own teammates!

falldown0102 votes

doesnt work though in most scenario's from what i have seen passive players, are the most common players that this stuff happens to

a worst case scenario is when a passive adc and an aggressive support get mixed toghether if the support makes a great play, for the adc to get a double kill by example, and the adc is simply farming while the enemy is on 100 hp or so , i get annoyed by it , by quite a margin

Leblancster1 votes

Maybe if you didn't feed, win your lane, and stop playing like a complete all-around dingus then maybe.. just maybe they won't be negative. Have you ever thought about that?

Almost every single game in your match history is you feeding and losing. I wouldn't want you on my team either.

falldown0101 votes

dunno i barely talk in game, so kinda incorrect secondly i dont want to stay focussed on role , why would i want to , by any means and last but not least, i won my lane quite some times, but when the game snowballs, your lane gets taken down and since i prefer to go in to save my teammates, my score often gets rather negative, but in the end i dont care about fools like you, who judge based on kda

then again, why should i care, if you are gonna judge based on scores might as well go look at winrates zed with almost 50% winrate, damn dude, i should go play zed now :)

ps : just had a look myself, some of those are ARAM , get your facts right, before you make accusations then again ARAM equals fun and should by no means be a kda wise game

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

i understand how that sucks from your point of view. but try to see it from their point of view. it might be somethign like this -

the other team is much better than us and now they are snowballed. this sucks. but riot wont let me leave because leaverbuster and my team wont let me leave by surrender. the fastest way out of this terrible experience is to try to feed the other team an ace so they can end. might as well just blindly charge into enemies until its over.

Zaryelle1 votes

Yeah every game seems to have 1-2 people singled out as being the 'noob' of the team and sometimes even the other people will gang up on that person even if they don't actually think they're a noob. If someone is dragging down the attitude of the team severely (like constantly saying 'top lost' or 'gg we lose' over and over) I will consider reporting them, but only if they take it too far or start spamming it.

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