AS title says. I know riot has absolutely ridiculous standards and really loves labeling as trolls and punishing people that actually trying to win. Even though they use unconventional methods.
So does anyone has even general idea where the safe line lies? Like even if your teammates were to freak out and submit enough reports, you would not get banned after manual review.
dunder kill5 votesI dunno. Playing smite support Nunu then running around the enemy jungle inting 0/14 in a 20 minute match apparently isn't enough. So you pretty much have to run it down mid with all tears to not be considered "off-meta"
DBS Ronovon2 votesI dunno. Playing smite support Nunu then running around the enemy jungle inting 0/14 in a 20 minute match apparently isn't enough. So you pretty much have to run it down mid with all tears to not be considered "off-meta"
I can second that.
EL HAMSTERO2 votesdirect quote from rioter-
Q: If intentions are clearly aimed at victory, is there an outer boundary for too unconventional a pick/build/strategy? A: No.
Marshbouy1 votesRefusing to communicate with your team (smite support singed) or having a score that's obviously feeding is where they draw the line. Even then, you have a lot of wiggle room as to what is considered "fair game."
Although if you bitch about it enough on the forums you'll probably get unbanned though.
remakoro1 votesRefusing to communicate with your team (smite support singed) or having a score that's obviously feeding is where they draw the line. Even then, you have a lot of wiggle room as to what is considered "fair game."
Although if you bitch about it enough on the forums you'll probably get unbanned though.
Wow wow wow. I remember that smite support singed. And refusing to communicate with the team was farthest thing from truth possible. He actually conveyed his intentions clear enough and pursued teamwork and coordination. -_-
Marshbouy4 votesThe guy would just mute all every game and then leave the ADC to 1v2. Just because he copy pastes a paragraph at the start of every game telling his team that he's going to force his ADC to 1v2 doesn't mean that he's communicating with his team.
That guy deserved his punishment IMO.
remakoro1 votesThe guy would just mute all every game and then leave the ADC to 1v2. Just because he copy pastes a paragraph at the start of every game telling his team that he's going to force his ADC to 1v2 doesn't mean that he's communicating with his team.
That guy deserved his punishment IMO.
Marshbouy3 votesA lot of the tactics mentioned above aren't bannable by themselves, but if you combine all of them over tens of games and hundreds of reports, it reaches a point where it is definitely punishable.
You can still communicate and work with your team even if they're muted through pings and basic knowledge like "I will group with the team to force a fight at baron" or "I will help my teammates out during this team fight." Smite support singed did neither of those things.
This guy got literally hundreds of reports about his behavior before riot finally put the hammer down on him. He ruined hundreds of his allies games. I don't care who you are and what strategy you have, that's not fun and nobody wants to deal with it.
remakoro1 votes
- I watched a replay of one of his games before he started editing his playstyle. It basically went like this. Get level three, then go into enemy jungle and counter jungle camps or proxy the waves for the rest of laning phase. His ADC would die repeatedly because they're 2v1 and at a major disadvantage. Once laning phase was over, he would refuse to group and teamfight with allies and instead opt to spend the whole game splitpushing.
A lot of the tactics mentioned above aren't bannable by themselves, but if you combine all of them over tens of games and hundreds of reports, it reaches a point where it is definitely punishable.
I saw them as well and well. If he managed to climb with that. Does it not mean that he knew what he should be doing better than his teammates?
- I thought it was obvious, but there is a really big difference between "Mute allies who are toxic to you and focus on the game" and "Mute all your teammates and play however the fuck you want, even if it means leaving them to 2v1 all of laning phase with little to know assistance"
There actually none. You are muting them in both cases and playing however the fuck you want. 0 difference.
You can still communicate and work with your team even if they're muted through pings and basic knowledge like "I will group with the team to force a fight at baron" or "I will help my teammates out during this team fight." Smite support singed did neither of those things.
Top teleport singed often not doing those things as well. So i dont see what you are getting at.
- I mean, if you want to get really technical about it, yes, but it's not the ADC's job to respond to whatever bass ackwards idea that the support forces onto them. It's also worth pointing out that the ADC isn't the only one affected here, it is the whole team because they're forced to 4v5 in teamfights.
This guy got literally hundreds of reports about his behavior before riot finally put the hammer down on him. He ruined hundreds of his allies games. I don't care who you are and what strategy you have, that's not fun and nobody wants to deal with it.
Im pretty sure this guy had above 53% winrate or so in plat or somewhere nearby. With 2k+ games on singed. Cant be sure that all of them were on support singed but he had solid winrate as support singed. If by ruining the games for his allies you mean actually carrying them to victory...
Ruining games looks a bit different. Like 10% winrate after 200+ games on 
. Or 2% winrate after 500 games on 
.
"I don't want to edit my playstyle so my teammates should edit their playstyle to fit me!" That's a shitty ideology.
Im really amazed and mildly amused by how you dont see that it actually applies both ways.
Marshbouy4 votesThere actually none. You are muting them in both cases and playing however the fuck you want. 0 difference.
lol. Now you're just lying to yourself.
If you are getting hundreds of reports from your allies about how your gameplay behavior is ruining your game, you're ruining their game and you should be punished for it.
I'm done speaking with you. It's very clear that you have a chosen opinion that is set in stone and nothing will change that.
goodnight.
remakoro1 voteslol. Now you're just lying to yourself.
If you are getting hundreds of reports from your allies about how your gameplay behavior is ruining your game, you're ruining their game and you should be punished for it.
Ya know dude. I simply know that they would report him just because. No matter how he plays. No matter what he does. Because he picked singed support and took smite. And im actually pretty sure if they weren't freaking out about smite singed support his winrate could be a lot higher.
Why? Well for example i tried going teemo support. In normals i have above 60% winrate with that but in ranked my adc goes feeding or afk or on massive fucking tllt the very moment i pick teemo. Not after something goes wrong but before minions will even spawn. It get ridiculous sometimes. We get to lane. I make double kill before we even get lvl 3, almost solo. ADC KEEPS FLAMING ANYWAY. Instead of playing just types or even ints. Wastes his summoner spells when no one is around and so on. Even so it never turns into one sided stomp but it gets impossible to win. legit 4 vs 6. "You dont deserve to win cuz you are playing teemo..." Okay.
I guess thats the behavior you would appreciate.
I'm done speaking with you. It's very clear that you have a chosen opinion that is set in stone and nothing will change that.
Well same can be said about you. right? You completely ignoring cold hard facts - he was winning with that. And trying to compare him with actual trolls. Ofc you dont sound too convincing doing that.
Coopa1231 votesBe honest. You're intentionally stubborn only to annoy him right?
Because in this case you're obviously wrong. Marshbouy explained why you're wrong very clearly and you still refuse to change your mind?
remakoro1 votesWell... Not entirely. Im just not fond of meta slaving and dont think that singed deserved punishment at all.
TrulyBland2 votesSo you disagree with the Singed in question then?
remakoro1 votesWhat if i do? Just because he said he understood the issue it does not mean he agreed with majority. Just because you are aware of something and act keeping possible impact from that in mind does not mean that you agree with that or supporting it.
I cant say that i agree or disagree with him cuz i have no idea whats his actual position is and i dont even care.
I have my own position
Im just not fond of meta slaving and dont think that singed deserved punishment at all.
And it does not matter if it puts me in disagreement with his words.
On the unrelated note. Ive seen enough people that got bashed hard enough to admit, possibly to themselves as well, that they are wrong even though they are completely right. Taking anything that person says under the pressure at face value is just silly. And threat of permaban seems as a pressure enough.
TrulyBland1 votesIt does matter quite a bit.
Riot knows the whole story, they believeD that he should be punished (and not because he went off-meta). Skyhart knows the whole story, he understood why he was punished (and that it wasn't because he went off-meta).
You know next to nothing and claim that the punishment was undeserved and strongly imply that it was due to going off-meta.
Disagreeing with pretty much the only two parties that know all about the case is, frankly, pretty arrogant. Hence why I asked. The answer to this was bound to reveal whether it makes any sense to continue discussing with you. And here you are, essentially stating that you know better than the very person affected by it.
Here's two little parting questions for you to think about: If he indeed felt so pressured, and if he didn't actually understand why he was punished... why would he continue playing support Singed? And if going off-meta was really the reason he was banned: Why did Riot let him continue playing support Singed?
remakoro1 votesIf he indeed felt so pressured, and if he didn't actually understand why he was punished
Im pretty sure i actually said that he understood (at least in the end) why he was getting punished.
Riot knows the whole story, they believeD that he should be punished (and not because he went off-meta).
Sorry i have 0 trust in riots judgement on those matters.
You know next to nothing and claim that the punishment was undeserved and strongly imply that it was due to going off-meta.
I imply that i heard of nothing related to what he did that deviated much from what common league player does or what could not be described as going off meta. When you pick singed support your team bound to go insane. So muting them right from the start actually a great decision. Which possibly didnt occur to him at first. Ignoring your team when they trying to diminish your chances for victory is also a great decision. Both those things widely done by lots of league players. Lots, possibly most of league players also play whatever they want. It just commonly fits better into meta in its playstyle and form cuz... You will do better with things actually made for your purpose.
Yes ofc i dont know entire story as good as that singed himself and can only make judgement based on the parts of the story that became public. Same actually goes for everyone else. And based on what reached me or that i was able to find i came to conclusion that ban wasnt really deserved.
I get your point. You say - well the thing isnt that he picked singed for support. The problem is him abandoning his ADC and not following every word of his team like obedient dog as proper support should do. How is this NOT playing off meta? Instead of babysitting your ADC you go and roam trying to win advantage for your team in other places around the map. And this is the part what actually got him reported and was deemed as refusing to cooperate with his team. But did his team try to cooperate with him? He actually played non meta. It isnt about picking unconventional support but using that slot for completely different purpose.
Meta is league is so rigid that playing something other than 1 1 2 + jungler is completely unthinkable. You might even get burned as heretic for that. Most meta deviation permitted would be picking champion that isnt doing that well in that role or that wasnt played in it with great success by someone with great media impact. Even then you might get reported as troll.
Disagreeing with pretty much the only two parties that know all about the case is, frankly, pretty arrogant.
Sorry for having my own opinion and capable of making my own judgement. Thats probably really offensive?
What other factors in his playstyle im not aware of? From your words one might guess that there is something i do not know and possibly would not be saying what im saying if i knew about that.
TrulyBland1 votesThe problem is him abandoning his ADC and not following every word of his team like obedient dog as proper support should do.
That part didn't change, and yet he wasn't banned again.
Instead of babysitting your ADC you go and roam trying to win advantage for your team in other places around the map.
That part didn't change, and yet he wasn't banned again.
It isnt about picking unconventional support but using that slot for completely different purpose.
That part didn't change, and yet he wasn't banned again.
You point out a lot of reasons that you claim to be the reason for his ban... yet none of those lead to another ban. I take it you chose not to think about those questions I asked in the end.
Silent Gravity3 votesI saw them as well and well. If he managed to climb with that. Does it not mean that he knew what he should be doing better than his teammates?
He had a negative winrate with it.
He would play regular style to win again to keep himself at his target elo.
NocturnalSheild7 votesWow wow wow. I remember that smite support singed. And refusing to communicate with the team was farthest thing from truth possible. He actually conveyed his intentions clear enough and pursued teamwork and coordination. -_-
Yea his intentions went like this "yo imma play what i want fuck you"
remakoro1 votesYea his intentions went like this "yo imma play what i want fuck you"
But he said that didnt he? That actually allows you to pick something that can farm sitting solo under tower. Or something that would be lots harder to kill. Like 
OR You can go for some shift and place some kind of ADC on mid like or 
or whatever. And place on bot long range AP caster for example that would be able to just farm en mass 
Marshbouy3 votes"I don't want to edit my playstyle so my teammates should edit their playstyle to fit me!"
That's a shitty ideology.
NocturnalSheild1 votes"I don't want to edit my playstyle so my teammates should edit their playstyle to fit me!"
That's a shitty ideology.
Damn beat me to it lol.
Marshbouy1 votesI tend to hover on threads because I have no life, so that's how I beat you to it xD
DepressedAhri2 votesThat could swing both ways, though. Should I tell my team every game that I am playing ADC and I want to play a marksmen and get all the CS and kills in lane and expect them to follow suit?
Cause if I said that I'm likely to get trolled.
TrulyBland2 votesHe actually conveyed his intentions clear enough
Yup... last second so nobody could change anything about their choices anymore... or dodge. [Edit: Could be I'm confusing this with the Nunu case, admittedly. It's been a while.]
Fun fact: Even the Singed that was banned understood and acknowledged why they were ultimately punished.
thank you for your lengthy reply. i think i finally understand the issue. i will be more mindful of my impact on other players in future games.
Either way, all of that is moot given that Riot changed their policy in this regard.
afmghost1 votesIf I want to try something, I tell everyone so they can at least prepare. I can tell you two thinks I tried that worked well.
Twisted Fate ADC: you're likely to lose the early game, but get a good crit/attack speed build and you're golden once you get enough items. Master Yi ADC: Works best with Braum. If successful, your opponents will accuse you of cheating.
Coopa1231 votesTwisted Fate ADC works in theory but is way weaker than all other meta adc's. Master Yi ADC sounds so disgustingly bad, that I imagine it only works in the lowest of elo's or if you're way more skilled than the elo you're in atm
afmghost1 votesTwisted Fate ADC works in theory but is way weaker than all other meta adc's. Master Yi ADC sounds so disgustingly bad, that I imagine it only works in the lowest of elo's or if you're way more skilled than the elo you're in atm
I mean like I said, it works under certain conditions. I mean you cannot put any points on your Q on TF, and you need to have a good support or weak opponents. Yi ADC is more conditional because I had a Braum support. I could stack his passive easily so it gave a huge advantage. Plus I think my opponent was learning Jhin, so he was already at a disadvantage.
Coopa1231 votesthat I imagine it only works in the lowest of elo's
So? Does it fit?
Bazooka Blade1 voteswelp time to make you sick http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Bazooka%20Blade