The queue dodging penalty should be harsher!!!

Dracozx·Jul 24, 2018·2 votes·1,882 views

The current queue dodging penalty for normal games and ARAM is ridiculously small. You only have to wait several minutes to 1 hour to play again no matter how many games you have dodged in the same day.

I know a lot of people who utilize this negligible dodging penalty system to make sure they ALWAYS get op ARAM champions in ARAM games. They do that by having 3 or more accounts and keep dodging if they get champions they do not want, and switch account, and queue again. The short ban time allow them to always have accounts to play. This really sucks. More importantly, their behavior wastes your time. Imagine you want to play a quick game so you pick ARAM, and you have to wait for 5 mins for queuing - dodging - queuing - dodging

Also, a small side effect of dodging is that it actually lowers the chance of other people to play op ARAM champions in ARAM game, because people cannot get the same champions in the same game, which means if you can the dodgers get queued into the same game, when you get good champions, the dodgers have less chance to get good champions, and when you get bad champions, they have more chance to get good champions. And they only dodge when they don't get good champions, which means, in the first situation, the game has more chance to be dodged, compare to the second situation.

So, the funny negligible dodging penalty makes dodgers happy, and makes good people suffer. Please Riot. Please put harsher penalty for dodging, especially for ARAM games. I would say: 15 mins for 1st dodging within the day (unchanged), 60 mins for 2nd (increased), 24 hours for 3rd (greatly increased). Also, Riot should count total dodging within a week. If a player has dodging records in >50% days that he logged in within 1 week, please permanently ban his account - he is the fxxxking constant dodger!

14 Comments

No flash no lifeJul 24, 20183 votes

Dodge function exists for those who suddenly face last minute emergencies and have to abandon the match. I have yet to see any other acceptable reason to, and if you face something urgent enough to force you to leave, chances are even a 1 day ban will prove little to no significance to you when you're focusing on dealing with those serious real life circumstances.

As things stand, people almost never use the function as intended, and the little consequence we have does nothing to stop them. I have to say I agree just because a harsher punishment doesn't really affect those who dodge based on acceptable reasons while discouraging those who do so for selfish reasons at the expense of others.

DracozxJul 25, 20181 votes

exactly! That's why I propose to keep the 15min penalty unchanged for 1st dodge but increase penalty time to subsequent dodges.

Only people who intentionally dodge in ARAM games will have chance to get the 2nd and 3rd dodge per day punishment.

zPOOPzJul 24, 20182 votes

so...you are salty because you don't get to play op champ?

DracozxJul 24, 20181 votes

that's seriously wrong. I'am angry because my game gets dodged on average 2 times before it starts. It's so fking time wasting and annoying. Imagine you want to play a quick game so you pick ARAM but you spend 5 mins sitting there for queuing - dodging- queuing -dodging.

BTW, my op Champions are definitely not op champions that dodgers think of. I love funny champions like mundo, Garen, Sion in ARAM. And I'm sure no constant dodger will dodge for not getting those champions lol.

And, are you a constant dodger?

KokuaJul 24, 20181 votes

Mundo, Garen and Sion are all great champions in ARAM, and I would gladly play them over a good percentage of other champions.

I play whatever I get, and roll for variety. I never dodge intentionally. I have dodged games unintentionally as a result of power outages, internet going out, and computer/client crashes.

DracozxJul 24, 20181 votes

exactly, you are good players. I also never dodge, and I play whatever I have.

however, do you think those players who constantly internationally dodge get enough punishment? They only need to wait 60 min at most, no matter how many games they have dodged today. And if they have several accounts, they basically can dodge whatever they want, and do not have to wait at all. Their accounts will never get banned even they dodge 100 games per month.

AeroWaffleJul 24, 20182 votes

The issue with making dodge penalties too large is you really only get the people who don't want to play past the champ select screen to avoid the penalty. They'll still not want to play and end up playing extremely reckless just to get the game finished quickly.

DracozxJul 24, 20181 votes

Well, it is the issue before Riot changed the ARAM champion selection. In the old system, people sometimes get champions that they know nothing about, so they dodge because they CANNOT play this champion instead of they WANT good ARAM champions. It's reasonable, and that's why I had no problem with the dodging penalty when the old champion selection system was on.

However, Riot has upgraded the ARAM champion selection: in addition to using your own rerolls and trading with other people, you can also pick champions that other people rerolled. That greatly increases your options and greatly reduces the probability of getting stuck to a champion that you know nothing about. I would say, unless you are very new to this game (actually I doubt whether absolute new LOL players exist), it is VERY rare that you have to dodge because you HAVE to play a champion that you CANNOT play. You can try some ARAM games yourself, and see if that happens to you.

So, the real case now is that people dodge because they WANT good ARAM champions, and this deserves more punishment.

KokuaJul 24, 20182 votes

I play ARAM for the majority of my games, and own every champion. I'm fine with playing any of them. I use rolls when I think my team needs more variety. The penalty increases for people who intentionally dodge repeatedly. If someone doesn't want to play the game with the champion they were matched with, then I'm glad I'm not playing the game with them. Queue times are fast compared to many other games, so it's not much of an issue imo.

DracozxJul 24, 20181 votes

I'm a little bit confused. you said "The penalty increases for people who intentionally dodge repeatedly", and now the penalty starts with 15 min and is capped at 60min. Do you think that's enough for people who intentionally dodge repeatedly?

KokuaJul 24, 20181 votes

That allows me to find a new game without them being in the queue. It also extends to the point where I can play multiple games without them even being able to queue still. So yes, I do believe that's enough.

DracozxJul 24, 20181 votes

well, if those constant intentional dodger's accounts get permanently banned, you will also be able to " find a new game without them being in the queue" and "can play multiple games without them even being able to queue still". Additionally, you will NEVER be dodged by the same account again and there will be way FEWER dodging happening.

WøOxerJul 24, 20182 votes

Dodge penalties should be divided from each queue, for example I dodge normal SR champ selection and dodging 2nd in ranked game I loose -10 LP, fking NON sense.

DracozxJul 24, 20181 votes

I agree. People definitely have different purposes when dodging in different queue. I think those constant intentional dodging only exist in ARAM.