Not every support kill is a ks

Sushicat144·Jul 20, 2017·54 votes·4,871 views

I just played a game as Annie support and went 13/3/6, immediately once I got into que our top lane riven was complaining about how I was support Annie with ignite, she said I didn't pick a support and that I "better not ks." Once we got into game Miss Fortune and I died in a 2 for 2 trade, eve got one kill, I got the other, after that we demolished lane, and I got a ton of kills, most of them by instabursting the enemy ADC, through out the whole game everyone was talking about how I was ks'ing even though I was the one earning the most kills, by doing the most damage, this annoyed me. At the end screen, I looked at the damage stats and I dealt double the damage of anyone on the team, so is it reasonable to get kills on a carry support like Annie, or should I just peel for my team and set up kills for them? Thanks

104 Comments

koshkyraJul 20, 201727 votes

Janna (Me) kills enemy in lane after my ADC already died Kalista (ADC) wtf ks

zPOOPzJul 20, 201715 votes

Janna, Soraka, etc. does so piss poor damage and attack speed compared to any adc, jg, mid, top champs that no matter the situation, if Janna/Soraka/etc. got the kill, you probably deserve that kill. LOL

Morgan le FeyJul 20, 20173 votes

I've found that Janna's super-slow AAs often get the kill a second or so after everyone else thinks the target has "barely escaped". xD

5000000000000000Jul 20, 20173 votes

Built in ignite in the autos kappa

TerozuJul 20, 20172 votes

You mean like the Soraka banana meme?

Morgan le FeyJul 20, 20172 votes

Exactly like that, actually.

TerozuJul 20, 20178 votes

I got a Penta on Janna years ago... The enemy team was that bad, and so was my team.

BlueThingamajigJul 20, 20172 votes

I once started a support Janna game 7-0, because the enemy team kept going ham for the ADC without respecting me or the tower. 15 minutes later, the ADC got a pentakill at a dragon fight.

With a definitely sufficient sample size of one game, 100% of games in which the support gets early kills leads to the allied ADC getting a pentakill.

TerozuJul 20, 20172 votes

Well yeah, if you have a fed Support building support items, you cannot die.

Morgan le FeyJul 20, 20172 votes

Indeed. Have you seen Sona with two complete Forbidden Idol items at the start of midgame? It's absolutely disgusting. xD

TerozuJul 21, 20176 votes

Seen it? Playing it (pure healing sona) carried me through Bronze 5 and 4 like there was nothing to it. Oh you poked? Negated. Oh you went all in? Negated. Oh you tried to run? item 3092 item 3116 not likely... The only reason i stopped climbing was I stopped playing Ranked. Hell, going any healer with Forbidden idols is hilarious in the pure "You can't damage my carries" sense. It's honestly fun, I don't understand why people don't play support purely to be like: "Oh you want a kill? Fuck you." to the enemy team.

My favorite match was when a darius lost lane and decided to troll because he though it was normals(asshole...) and my adc said ignore him. I did not. I followed him around and turned him into an unkillable tank with heals. Luckily my teammates followed me and we used the troll as an initiation machine.

CantKileanZileanJul 21, 20171 votes

The "Oh you want a kill? Fuck you." is the reason I play enchanters (and Zilean)

Morgan le FeyJul 20, 20173 votes

My favorite part of playing Janna is tower-divers who think they can 3v1 me.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Morgan le FeyJul 20, 20173 votes

I've had two almost-pentas on Janna. One, as AD Janna, where in the midst of the fight one of them died to our support or jungle or something. The other, in ARAMs as a full AP Janna (with Luden's and everything), where our Shyvana (I think? It was over a year ago) flashed to steal the last kill from me. That one was frustrating. >.>

Automated RivenJul 21, 201710 votes

Imho flashing to steal a Penta is the only form of ks.

Ninjapro2kJul 21, 20172 votes

This

TerozuJul 21, 20173 votes

I... I do that to my friends, and they do it to me. I also play Teemo. I'm evil...

amazinick1213Jul 20, 20174 votes

I main support and I normally just say like "mb" unless I'm trying out an off-meta pick. The ADC normally just brushes it off and says its fine.

JonxxJul 20, 201719 votes

KS = Kill Secured. It's not worth trying to give someone the kill, because it makes little difference in gold anyway, and enemy can run away with a little bit of luck. I've seen it happen many times.

eldurisJul 20, 201710 votes

The Marksman should have more damage than the support anyway since the support isn't last hitting and farming gold. If they can't secure a kill, then they need to git gud Kappa.

zPOOPzJul 20, 20172 votes

Damage generally refers to total damage dealt to champions. Cs and last hitting do not add to that damage stat

eldurisJul 20, 20175 votes

Last hitting = more gold = more damage.

PapercutOmenJul 20, 201713 votes

Its a team game, STOP COMPLAINING OVER KILLS Its a TEAM game The kills belong to THE TEAM they are not "All mine by default"

Do you see TSM or SKT stopping matches dead in the middle of a fight to sit there and cry "DUDE YOU KSed ME, WTF" No...Because they know its a team game, its about the NEXUS. I laugh in the face of anyone who calls KS and say "then pay more attention next time" Alot of these people are NOT paying attention, not watching the map, not watching the team. But when someone takes a kill, they immediately flip and dont understand why the kill wasnt immediately handed off to them.

I have played support and had adcs run away from a kill, give up on chasing it. But as soon as I brave damage and secure the kill THEY ran away from, they flip out and lose their minds like I intentionally went out to rob them.

Its a team game, Team kills.

TEAM CARRY > SOLO CARRY

Solemn SilenceJul 20, 201710 votes

i don't know why you complain about how your team complains about ksing as support. If you don't like what someone says then just mute them. I take ignite as blitz and R the enemy adc to "kill secure", and if my adc tilts from that, that's fine they can go feed. And if they ping you too much, mute pings too. Works every time, and you can climb to gold using just the mute strat alone.

Morgan le FeyJul 20, 20172 votes

I love your name with this post. xD

I've found the opposite works best for me. The chatting strat lets me build team morale and coordinate effectively. That said, it has distinct disadvantages, and doesn't work unless you're both extremely difficult to tilt and good at people-ing.

CrypticHorseAug 6, 20171 votes

But what if they all surrender and call you a troll supp for having the most kills and least deaths?

Automated RivenJul 20, 20178 votes

There is no such thing as a ks.... unless you steal the penta.

notice me Sin piJul 21, 20171 votes

if a Draven with 800 stacks is denied a kill, i think that counts as a ks. if a Kindred marked an enemy, was attacking the enemy, and is denied the kill, i think that also counts as a ks. And anything else that has to do with a champion's kit.

Automated RivenJul 21, 20172 votes

Kindred gets the stack if they get the assist. And I suppose if you flash ult to deny draven with 800 stacks then it can be considered a ks. But if your in a fight and Lulu gets a kill. I don't care if draven has 15000 stacks it's not a ks. Now if I was the Lulu I would try to let draven. Or any adc. Get the kill. But all in all ks is simply people being greedy and complaining about stupid stuff.

YrzenJul 20, 20177 votes

It's recommended for supports to give up kills for their team mates because they can generally better make use of it; the support role, by definition, is one that can function with comparatively less gold. When you play a carry Support, you're expected to make up for your lack of utility with damage, but that damage too is also meant to give your adc an edge; not necessarily yourself.

If it's a 2v2 and your partner isn't instantly within range, I recommend bursting an enemy instantly if you can rather than bursting them down most of the way because waiting for an ally to come and claim the kill leaves a window of time for them to flash away, dash away, or get peeled by their ally. If you've surrounded them, then you can offer them up to your ally, but even while you do so, you should put yourself in a position to take them out in the event that they escape your ally or start winning a duel against them.

It is always better to secure the kill than to risk trading a kill or wasting your abilities. Though your teammates might have assessed the situation differently, all that matters for your decision is what your judgement is; not theirs.

Morgan le FeyJul 20, 20173 votes

A big thing to remember, too, is that you're not only the ADC's support. If your ADC is falling behind super-hard or generally being non-helpful, it's often better to get yourself fed off of kills so you can better support the rest of your team. That 13/1/4 Jax jungle probably wants you to have Ardent Censer more than he wants the 0/8/4 Caitlyn to have her boots. :P

Mind, that is the exception. Your analysis is pretty much on the dot for most of the time. One thing of note, though, is when people are first learning to support, it's important to try different things. You can only build that judgment you mentioned in the last line through experience - just reading about it on a forum isn't gonna make it any good at all. Sometimes you'll get the kill, sometimes you won't, but only by trying different kinds of "can the adc get the kill? I'll give them a chance" will you figure out when different ADCs actually can get the kill. Only through trial and error can you learn!

Deep Terror NamiJul 20, 20177 votes

I just want to say that in the back of a support's mind, every time they accidentally get a kill they are cheering for the extra gold :3

ModPeriscopeJul 20, 20176 votes

Draaaaaaaven is the one adc you want to try to give the kill. It's a weird thing to attempt to give kills, but if the alternative is a kill getting away, go for the kill.

TheViper7911Jul 20, 20176 votes

Good luck trying to pull anyone out of their carry fantasy.

tophitJul 20, 20176 votes

Seriously, only an amateur ADC thinks a support kill is wasted. Who gets the kill doesn't really matter, what DOES matter is now the ADC has time to farm up for better items, getting first tower, etc. This is the same for every role in the game. Fed up a bit myself of being told that I ks'ed, at best I wouldn't mind if someone is a little annoyed but if someone blames a loss on a ksing teammate, they need a hard reminder this is League, not team deathmatch.

PapercutOmenJul 20, 20174 votes

But you see, thats the problem The LCS has created this "all about ME" mentality All people care about is how good they look, seeing "all kills are mine by default" They dont care about using the death to farm and get an advantage, they would rather waste it by turning around and throwing a tantrum because someone else "stole their thunder" They only care about who has the most kills (them). They only care about how good -THEY- look. They dont care the team, or the win, only the almighty "solo carry" This community has become a cesspit of arrogance and egotism.

I see the game like chess You cant see the checkmate, if all you care about is who captures the most pawns. Kills should be a SIDE-EFFECT, Not the main goal. And yeah, I am tired of seeing my adc drop to the ground and begin kicking and screaming about how "Im done, this >insert role< stole MY KILL!" rather than just taking the death and using it to farm up and push. Nah, they would rather throw a tantrum because ALL the kills didnt go to them by default. (heaven forbid the support gets even ONE kill)

Bob the ToastrJul 20, 20171 votes

The only time when I get frustrated at the support for taking kills is when I'm playing Draven and have 200+ stacks on my passive. Otherwise I could care less.

King JantyxJul 20, 20172 votes

whenever I play Draven I feel like I always go 0/x/14

137434Jul 20, 20173 votes

That is why I love Ziliean support. ADC has three seconds to get the target down. If they failed too bad kill secured.

SanKakUJul 20, 20173 votes

I picked Lulu, did the normal stuff, using Windspeaker's Blessing, picked up Knight's Vow and Ardent Censor. But I got 5 kills and 3 assists while my allies kept dying off and I didn't die once. Meanwhile, our bottom slot player wouldn't stop crying that the scoreboard was acknowledging that I was finishing off the enemy champions. Well, I'm shielding you guys but you're dying anyway, so it's not my fault. Thankfully no one else on the team was raging about it, and the team agreed to surrender because we didn't want to play with the baby raging egomaniac.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

KloqdqJul 20, 20173 votes

What annoys me is two things.

First is the support ALWAYS getting the kill. After about 5 kills I am kind of sick of it.

Second is when I die due to the support not wanting to take the kill.

I hate adc.

Praetor NotoriasJul 20, 20173 votes

I don't leave any kills hanging, period. Lag happens. My adc is retarded happens (a lot). Shen decided to suddenly ult in. They pop a heal right when the stun wears off. Janna cock blocked me again. Too many times I've watched slivers walk away that should be corpses. So now I kill that motherfucker. With an auto or what ever I have. The quicker it stops hitting my adc the quicker I can go back and buy a ward machine. If I get the kill, they were too slow anyways because I'm not building damage. If the adc turns into a crybaby I just kill them faster. It's less likely that a crybaby will be able to secure kills than someone who wants to win.

ZardoJul 20, 20173 votes

to me it's never a ks unless the person does absolutely nothing to earn the kill(think a jungler walking up, doing no damage, but chilling smites for the final damage). If a blitz gets a hook, I don't care if I get the kill or not, because he landed the hook and therefor contributed to the kill.

GreatWhiteNorthJul 20, 20172 votes

The important thing to remember is that, as support, you are in the unique position of not being able to mute other players because you need to hear them call plays.

But you will also be dragging them kicking and screaming to victory.

archerno1Jul 20, 201712 votes

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The important thing to remember is that, as support, you are in the unique position of not being able to mute other players because you need to hear them call plays.

But you will also be dragging them kicking and screaming to victory.

Annie is initiator. Annie is one who calls plays. Also engage supports should be shotcallers. ADCs are ones who need to follow plays. Not supports. Supports make plays

5000000000000000Jul 20, 20173 votes

I remember one game we had no engage, and as Morgana support, my Q was the only pick we had. So whenever I landed a Q, everyone blew their ults on the snared target.

SzGamer227Jul 20, 20172 votes

As Brand support, I get so many double kills when my adc dies and the enemy duo + jungler think they can tower dive me while my ult is up. Bronze can be a lovely place.

Radiant GøddessJul 20, 20171 votes

When every the support manages to get last hit I just kind of cry because I suck. No but really, whatever wins us lane. Unless the support is purposefully getting last hit, I really don't care

BigBellBruteJul 21, 20171 votes

Consider me your Draven support. And as we all know, when Draven does it, it's not kill stealing.

nin1ten1doMar 7, 20201 votes

Ban dat mofo who speak about LOW elo... Is likw this... [slayer-jinx-wink] i play killer Karma everytime my adc bot not farm or is r%%%%%ed and rather cry you may not take kill istead to kill.. i know i was already ADC... What i can do.. my fisrt item was rabadon why? Coz my enemy adc have faking twice cs than my.. and i go destroy mode.. ya my q deal ton of dmg.. i dont care i can do double kil if my adc dont even know to farm.. and start cry you killSteal(bro chek my dmg after game then talk..) no i dont KS.. i simply faking deal more dmg than you pus.. and you canot kill them then.. i gona make it.. 10000time... Coz you sux.. and i am full of bad self-crowned adc.. so is good you take it.. you work for whole team not to peel trash carry.. i simply take every game like 1v3 at bit and i am happy.. if adc start flame i simply mute dat trash and killy enemy(in meaning also give him free safe oportunity to farm..) Then in dat time i go help.. whole team coz i faking team play not a KDA hunt.., I help with drake my jungl or kil him alone (yas i can) then roam to midlane kill zed with freeky smile on my face then help kill enemy jungler... One backup buy another mage stuff like voidstaff and go to toplane kjll temo! Cu'z.. dat is what support do.. supporting.. team.. to win.. if any self-clowned (actualy clowned) ADC canot stay it.. then pls.. kid.. uninstal and go play minecraft! Karma