The Season 5 Peek

XxXJoshXxX·Apr 23, 2018·3 votes·1,191 views

Has anyone else noticed this game went downhill from season 5. Season 5 the game peeked and I started at the end of Season 3 and it used to be so much fun. Ever since then it's went downhill.

-Removed Tribunal -Trash ban system -Afks/trolls/inters/feeders are allowed to do whatever they want -You get banned for playing off meta (singed support) -Balance Team ignores the player base and balances around LCS -Rework team ignores player base -Rito doesn't care about the players and cares about the money, effectively killing their game -The fact that this post is gonna get an extreme amount of downvotes for pointing out the obvious truths that no player wants to admit. -The flawed matchmaking system -Every game is a stomp -Every game is nowhere close to a hard tough game that shows off the skill of the players and increases skill. Just stomp or get stomped.

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ChermorgApr 23, 20184 votes

-Removed Tribunal

The new system is faster and more consistent

-Trash ban system

The ban system is the exact same as it was in Tribunal days - except players are punished within minutes after a bad game, instead of days/weeks later

-Afks/trolls/inters/feeders are allowed to do whatever they want

This is untrue.

-You get banned for playing off meta (singed support)

That ban was reversed and they improved their systems and policies so that sort of thing doesn't happen again

-Balance Team ignores the player base and balances around LCS -Rework team ignores player base

Take a look at Red Tracker and tell me they ignore us and don't listen to us.

-Rito doesn't care about the players and cares about the money, effectively killing their game

People have been saying this since 2011-2012 and it's still around.

-The fact that this post is gonna get an extreme amount of downvotes for pointing out the obvious truths that no player wants to admit.

The post will get downvotes because it has no substance worth discussing. The voting system is used to elevate well written posts and de-elevate posts that are little more than bitching.

-The flawed matchmaking system

How is it flawed? Just because you aren't challenger?

-Every game is a stomp -Every game is nowhere close to a hard tough game that shows off the skill of the players and increases skill. Just stomp or get stomped.

Maybe if you don't give up games early you wouldn't get stomped. Focus on your team, not on yourself.

ChompyWulfApr 23, 20181 votes

Faster, yes. More consistent? Debatable.

Bans have been passed out for "harassment" without people even flaming problem teammates, which relates to....

If trolls are punished, it's unseen. Feedback or commonly lack thereof from IFS suggests that people can regularly troll and you'll never know if they are actually punished.

Red tracker...empty words. Volibear is still in a far worse game state than other champs further up the VGU chain. As far as caring about players, they care about the sheep who will buy all the Jhin, Ahri, MF, and Lux skins, while a tenth of the roster is ignored for years. They rework lore to be "inclusive" and clearly upset a lot of fans. They keep revealing skins that fans don't like, barely tweak them and release anyway. (Yorick, Irelia, Eve....) Proof is in their product, they don't care about minority fans. Luckily, sheeple continue to accept the crap and keep them profitable.

People often only vote based on if they agree, not structure or value of the discussion.

Asking him how its flawed would be more meaningful if you don't passive aggressive attack him.

You can't possibly think he's the only one who sees this as streamers and fans have been hating the imbalance of the game for over half a year. Stomps are far too common.

ChermorgApr 23, 20183 votes

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Faster, yes. More consistent? Debatable.

Bans have been passed out for "harassment" without people even flaming problem teammates, which relates to....

Do you have proof of these inaccurate bans? Please provide it if you do - the only times I've seen them (and I can count on one hand how many times that was since tribunal ended) they have been quickly reversed.

If trolls are punished, it's unseen. Feedback or commonly lack thereof from IFS suggests that people can regularly troll and you'll never know if they are actually punished.

What right do you have to have a witch hunt and combative attitude against others? Having the attitude of "omg did i get a player punished" is exactly the reason we can't have nice things such as notifications every time someone's punished.

Red tracker...empty words. Volibear is still in a far worse game state than other champs further up the VGU chain. As far as caring about players, they care about the sheep who will buy all the Jhin, Ahri, MF, and Lux skins, while a tenth of the roster is ignored for years. They rework lore to be "inclusive" and clearly upset a lot of fans. They keep revealing skins that fans don't like, barely tweak them and release anyway. (Yorick, Irelia, Eve....) Proof is in their product, they don't care about minority fans. Luckily, sheeple continue to accept the crap and keep them profitable.

So in other words, if they don't please you, they must not please anyone. They are obviously unable to please everyone, and you may just fail to accept that your opinion differs from the majority.

People often only vote based on if they agree, not structure or value of the discussion.

Coming from having been a part of multiple forum communities, you'd be surprised how often this is not the case.

Asking him how its flawed would be more meaningful if you don't passive aggressive attack him.

You can't possibly think he's the only one who sees this as streamers and fans have been hating the imbalance of the game for over half a year. Stomps are far too common.

Maybe you have a different experience than I do. Kinda weird since most of the complaints about stomping happen in low ELO (bronze-silver) which I'm a part of. But whatever.

ChompyWulfApr 23, 20181 votes

First, I'm finding amusing how my post quickly is at -1 while yours was bumped up to 2. Did you really offer meaningful discussion where I did not? Kinda underscores my point that people will vote based on their opinion and not content.

I started a thread about a bullshit chat ban I got for chatter with teammates about someone who trolled us. Cussed at our mid Lux once for standing and trading AAs with enemy ADC, rest of chat was about issues related to the "support" Teemo behavior, not even insults or flame directed at him. Was deemed "harassment" I don't have time to dig up half a dozen other chat ban topics relating to minimal/no cursing or slurs. This also ties into feedback...

If you see troll behavior or flaming every three or four games, and you never receive feedback that someone was punished thanks to a report logged, it undermines even having a report system because people have no faith it works. It's meant to offer feedback of someone is punished so you know Riot is trying to clean up the game compared to back in Tribunal when there was no notice or hope of toxic behavior getting cleaned up. It's not a matter if a witch hunt or combative attitude, but adding awareness. (Also, ironic, you accusing me of being combative when you are being the same in posts.)

As for the examples I gave of balance and skins...stick your head out of the sand. A lot of Yorick mains did not like Arclight. There was widespread uproar about the Varus lore change (and people instantly branded fans who hated the lore flip as homophobic), just as much indignation about new "Frostblade" Irelia, many fans irritated MF got a second skin within 6 months, that Jhin got 3 in a year, dissatisfied with the Eve look and a Rioter finally let slip that when a skin hits PBE it basically is going to release that way unless it only gets minor tweaks and is still unpopular. Riot doesn't listen and care, just listen to let us know what is heard and nothing really is done. It's not just me, don't try to paint it as so.

Finally, Bronze and Silver comprise over 50% of the playerbase where people complain the balance leads to stomps. So yeah...what does that suggest? It's not a minority complaint.

Hellmaximus1Apr 23, 20183 votes

LMAO Back in season 3-5 every game I played in someone was getting stomped. Season 5 had the devourer meta, with new champions dominating every game. Season 4 was a yasuo release and sion relaunch. season 3 was when you could solo carry as long as you got fed off a bad laner. Not only are those just some of the issues with the game, but the negativity of the game was WAY worse back than, players would intent left and right, afking was common place when most players had to play on 100 ping at best, upwards of 110 on average. Than there was the scripting back than, which was barely punished at the time due to riots lack of detection, boosting was more rampant than it is today. Also there was no ff at 15, no IFS, no just promoted protection, no instant way for riot to fix minor bugs and issues that released with patches.

Also I guess you forgot about the pick order of draft, where last pick was always support and people would just run it down mid if they didn't get the role they demanded.

LegendinaboxApr 23, 20182 votes

Preach.

Umbral RegentApr 23, 20182 votes

Okay, I'm going to try to address all these, even the parts that are probably better suited for another board. I'll do this just once (the digression, that is), so, if I get a small slap from the Moderator(s), I'll be fine with it.

The Tribunal: The Tribunal was iceboxed indefinitely because it was too slow and inefficient to actually serve as a punishment system. Between players having to be incentivized to do it in the first place, they also had to remove the incentives to try and keep people honest instead of just clicking "punish" for the IP, and even still, most punishments were issued months after the offense itself occurred. The Tribunal was fun, but that sure as shit doesn't mean it was good.
The IFS: I'm going to guess that you're calling it "trash" solely because you disagree with the rules about negativity. The IFS is really good, and it's a godsend compared to the Tribunal. It isn't perfect, but Riot's been slowly-but-surely honing it and adjusting it to ensure players who disregard the rules get punished quickly. So, lemme ask you; would you prefer hardly anybody get banned in a timely manner, or would you prefer rulebreakers get their just desserts ASAP?
Gameplay Toxicity: No. Unless you have solid evidence to back this up, no. It's been stated several times, gameplay toxicity is much harder to catch than chat toxicity. If you have some sort of fool-proof way to catch trolls and intentional feeders, you had best tell Riot about it. (but, IMO, I doubt you do - we, as players, are pretty unreasonable when it comes to negative experiences. Some things we might consider trolling actually aren't, and so on.)
Off-Meta Bans: Doesn't happen. You can play off-meta anything you want, you won't get punished for it as long as you're playing to win.
Balance Around LCS: Simply put: no. The balance team balances around both low-skill and high-skill players. Some Champions (Kalista, Ryze, Azir) are perpetually stuck in "LCS balance", but virtually every other Champion is balanced around the middle-ground.
VGUs: Is this about the whole Frostblade Irelia kerfuffle? Honestly, that's the only thing I could imagine would relate to this, because so much of everything in the recent VGUs has been spot on.
Riot Money-Grubbing: Prove it.
Downvotes: I see more opinions in your post than truths.
Matchmaking: That it's flawed is of no question. Everything is flawed in some way, but how flawed it is is up for debate. In another board, of course, Player Behavior isn't about matchmaking, after all.
Steamroll Games: Maybe at your MMR they are, but, I rarely get a stomp match. They're more like even struggles, and I seldom find a match where there's no opportunity to bounce back.
Skill Games: Again, your only coming from your own perspective. I get to express my skill more than frequently in my matches.