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Festival of Permabans Can Riot fix the problem?

Maniaco02··3 votes·743 views

I'm just asking myself, is this a team video game? I think it is right? So If I play bad or such, I might get told by my team that I didn't do good right? I'm wondering why riot is trying to ban any negative person in their whole community. There seems to be a really high increase in permabans since the automatic queue as been in function. Riot needs to start respecting the involvement of their player, some are now loosing years of account work and a lot of $$$. I can see how some people being racial or being harassing can deserve the treatment, but many people have shown log where they got permabanned for almost no reasons, reasons not any other game would ban someone for.

My question is this: Isn't the system made in place to encourage a better behavior of players? It seems that once you received a 14 day ban, no matter how good you try to improve your behavior, any reports for even a slight negativity will lead you to a ban. Their system must let players a real way to improve. Talking about experience, when you receive a 14 day ban, nothing really tells you what you did wrong. Yes for sure you can see chat logs, but what in those logs were the reason you got banned?

Nobody explains you : was it because you asked the people to report a troll? was it because you said GG in middle of a 0 / 20 game? was it because you used words like, shit? bad?horrible? You take any of these and it may or may not be the reason why you got banned. I don't see how saying GG at the middle of a lost game, with maybe 1 or even 2 afk in it, or saying to a intentional feeder that he played poorly this game is a reportable thing (not a 0/5 guy, someone that shows intentional behavior because let's see, someone said he was bad, then he's playing bad intentional, happens often).

From there, I get it that it isn't the perfect behavior, but it isn't usually a good reason to ban people. If someone then takes his 14 day ban in consideration, tries to think about it, even ask riot about it (they will answer an automatic message with not a single helpful comment) and makes changes to is behavior, why would you permaban him for the slight negativity, he probably toned it down a lot from the 14 day ban but riot won't care because they won't check, chats are taken out of context and the system is automatic? Everybody get negative and bored when playing with intentional feeders and trolls for over 20mins, sometimes twice in a row, but I don't see why people should get banned for even using the chat when this happens.

If riot says it's only the 0.0006% of the player that get permabanned, why won't they really check it out? They will probably see that most of these player are trying to reform and improve, probably already improved enough for an acceptable behavior. They need to stop the automatic permabans.

Am I just crazy or this permaban festival is starting to be a huge fail on riot part?

15 Comments

TeemoJenkins8 votes

Don't flame, don't allow people to bait you, and you'll NEVER be punished. Working as designed. /endthread.

Maniaco022 votes

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Don't flame, don't allow people to bait you, and you'll NEVER be punished. Working as designed. /endthread.

Yah, if we listen to people like you, encourage trolls because they know that they have the system on their side. We are humans and we have a right to speak/type, and dislike loosing because of an individual making it on purpose. Chat should be used because this is a TEAM game, not a solo console game. Please don't comment if you have nothing to say.

DrCyanide6 votes

encourage trolls

Trolls are encouraged by reactions. They get their kicks out of teammates flaming them. If you don't want to encourage trolls, don't give them what they want.

We are humans and we have a right to speak/type, and dislike loosing because of an individual making it on purpose

And where in there do you specify that we have to be degrading while expressing how much we dislike the situation?

You don't have to like the troll, you don't have to be silent even, but don't give the troll what they want and make the experience worse for the rest of your team while doing so.

Maniaco021 votes

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You seem to think I would rage at a troll and exchange with him a whole game. It isn't the case, I use to do it years ago but then I realized what trolls were and stopped feeding them. What I'm talking about here is the right to tell them they are bad and lead to the defeat by their intentional behavior, and yes maybe call them feeders or trolls, and ask for a report when it's really obvious (I learned I should not do that even if it's right in my mind). I will never rage at a troll and let them feed off me (or degrade a teammate like you seem to think), in facts I usually mute them half game now, but for riot, only expressing to someone that they played bad or they are feeding is enough to sanction you nowadays. That is where I find it to be the problem.

selvatica1 votes

Clearly you have never played against a "troll" there are MANY games where no one has said anything but some kid just runs down midlane feeding non stop until ff20. They do not say anything at all so they never get banned either.

Maniaco021 votes

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Clearly you have never played against a "troll" there are MANY games where no one has said anything but some kid just runs down midlane feeding non stop until ff20. They do not say anything at all so they never get banned either.

I must say that this isn't really of a problem. You just wait the 20 minutes and everyone will report. The trolls riot needs to address are the people that will start trowing or feeding intentional as soon as one player in the team says 1 thing to them; can either be constructive or not, they will just start loosing on purpose.

Anyway this is getting off the topic a little, what I am trying to prove here is the fact that the automatic ban system is being a failure in helping people improve their behavior or even letting them a chance to do so.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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I'm just asking myself, is this a team video game? I think it is right? So If I play bad or such, I might get told by my team that I didn't do good right? I'm wondering why riot is trying to ban any negative person in their whole community. There seems to be a really high increase in permabans since the automatic queue as been in function. Riot needs to start respecting the involvement of their player, some are now loosing years of account work and a lot of $$$. I can see how some people being racial or being harassing can deserve the treatment, but many people have shown log where they got permabanned for almost no reasons, reasons not any other game would ban someone for.

It is not letting people know that they did bad that gets people in trouble it is how they let them know.

Players are not punching bags for people to vent their frustrations on.

My question is this: Isn't the system made in place to encourage a better behavior of players? It seems that once you received a 14 day ban, no matter how good you try to improve your behavior, any reports for even a slight negativity will lead you to a ban. Their system must let players a real way to improve. Talking about experience, when you receive a 14 day ban, nothing really tells you what you did wrong. Yes for sure you can see chat logs, but what in those logs were the reason you got banned?

By the time someone gets a 14 day ban they are already a frequent or very severe offender. At that point improvement is just not enough. Less negative is still negative.

I'm not really sure what more they can reasonably be expected to do other than give people the chat logs. If someone can't see the negativity in them then there probably isn't much hope for them. They could direct people to this forum to get more clarity I guess.

Nobody explains you : was it because you asked the people to report a troll? was it because you said GG in middle of a 0 / 20 game? was it because you used words like, shit? bad?horrible? You take any of these and it may or may not be the reason why you got banned. I don't see how saying GG at the middle of a lost game, with maybe 1 or even 2 afk in it, or saying to a intentional feeder that he played poorly this game is a reportable thing (not a 0/5 guy, someone that shows intentional behavior because let's see, someone said he was bad, then he's playing bad intentional, happens often).

You are given a reason for the ban and there are ways, like this section of the forums to get bethere insight. People are often just more interested in finding excuses.

From there, I get it that it isn't the perfect behavior, but it isn't usually a good reason to ban people. If someone then takes his 14 day ban in consideration, tries to think about it, even ask riot about it (they will answer an automatic message with not a single helpful comment) and makes changes to is behavior, why would you permaban him for the slight negativity, he probably toned it down a lot from the 14 day ban but riot won't care because they won't check, chats are taken out of context and the system is automatic? Everybody get negative and bored when playing with intentional feeders and trolls for over 20mins, sometimes twice in a row, but I don't see why people should get banned for even using the chat when this happens.

Improvement is novel but is insufficient if at the end of the day you are still in the red. If a guy goes to jail for robbing three banks you don't forgive him robbing a gas station when he gets out because he improved.

They aren't getting banned for "using chat". They are getting banned for perpetuating the situation. Everyone in the game is already dealing with the same thing you are frustrated with. You raging just becomes another thing they have to deal with.

If riot says it's only the 0.0006% of the player that get permabanned, why won't they really check it out? They will probably see that most of these player are trying to reform and improve, probably already improved enough for an acceptable behavior. They need to stop the automatic permabans.

If you think there was a mistake you can submit a support ticket and get riot to look at it. People disagreeing about what should constitute a punishment does not make it a mistake though.

Rage never makes a situation better. You mentioned trolls several times. What does raging at a troll accomplish? Nothing. The troll wants to make you mad so raging at them is just tossing him a treat for his efforts. It's like feeding a stray cat and then complaining that it hangs around your house. Mute, play the game out as best you can and report at the end. Anything more and you are making the problem worse, not better.

Maniaco021 votes

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What you people doesnt seem to get is that people are not getting banned for raging at the moment. They are getting banned for any kind of negativism past their 14 day ban. I haven't been raging at anyone for months, probably since my like 45 chat restriction or whatever. As for negativism, if you think this game should be 100% chat positive with never any sign of negativism, idk what you dream of but you will never achieve this in any way. This isn't a world where words like bad, poorly, sarcasmed please, or such should be banned because they aren't positive words. We aren't playing in a church or with 3 years old for all I know.

I'm sorry if we aren't all as good or positive as Jesus, but as I remember, I think even him had his doubt and down moments, so please get over yourself and stop pretending everyone can be all but positive when they are stuck with horrible players who tries to tilt them or lose a game by intention, telling them they are bad and ruining the game is something you should be allowed to say and not banned for it loosing all you have built.

SmokedAlmonds4 votes

After getting a 14 day ban you are expected to be on your best behavior. If your best behavior is negative then what choice is left other than remove you?

It's about chat that is emotionally negative not about a negative topic. Replacing things like "you suck stop feeding" with constructive feedback. This is about basic civility not creating some fluffy rainbow enviornment. The entirety of the simmers code could be replaced with "don't be a dick".

Telling someone they are bad is at best useless and more realistically it is counter productive. Calling someone bad doesn't make them better. Yelling at a troll doesn't stop them from trolling. They aren't trolling because some random guy never told him not to. Raging at a troll is done at the entire communities expense. The people in that game now has to deal with a troll and a rager. The troll got exactly what he wanted so instead of getting bored and moving on they keep doing it because you just reaffirmed that he can get exactly what he wants when he trolls.

Astôlfo2 votes

Except there is no problem.

selvatica1 votes

There are tons of people getting banned right now. And as u said if you get a 14 day suspension might as well start making a new account because if you say ANYTHING afterwards and get reported you will be perma banned and Rito will do nothing. I've gotten a 14 day suspension for having 4 lines of chat in only ONE game in which i jokingly called someone a "moron". ONLY negative thing i said all game. got the suspension....looked at chat log. was only from that ONE single game. the system is broken.

The reason, all these kids need their safe places because the world is filled with rainbows, unicorns, and everything will be easy. Oh wait nvrmd, lol. Would seem that the "mute" function that keeps these children's precious minds safe is to hard for them to click.

Maniaco021 votes

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Well I'm sorry to hear that. I get it that moron isn't a nice word to say, but without harassing, my father often called me like that when I was a kid and did stupid shit lol. Like u said, LoL is a peaceful and wonderful land.

selvatica1 votes

Right, i am from the real world that call's people out on stuff they do. My father did the same to me, if i did something incredibly stupid he would ask me (mostly tell me). "boy you are a special kind of stupid". Nowadays though all these "children" have to be loved and cared for and protected from the real world so that when they hit adult hood .........they have no clue how to assimilate.

Maniaco021 votes

You are right, but have you not ever had a day with like a 10 lose streak, mostly because of your teammates? This lovely time when you report someone for intentional feeding and they match you 3 games in a row with the same person, only 1h30 of your day spent with someone you dislike and that troll a chat so that everyone is getting negative, both teams. You should behave and say, ... well i don't even know what you should say when this happens, yes you should mute and not talk, will it always happens, nah sometimes you'll defend yourself... so what? as long as I know these people are still playing and acted, and chat way worst then I ever did. There is those time when you also try to give hint to people because they are 0/ something and they just start tilting you and all chat making the other team want to report you for no reason. You can't expect someone to be 100% positive, I'm sorry

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