Just wondering ^^
I was honour level 4, got in a bit of a fight in one game, resulting in a chat restriction, but also compeltely resetting my honour level to 1.
I don't mind the chat restriction that much, I mean I absolutely deserved that after that game, but instantly dropping 3 honour levels seems a bit much for one bad game.
ModThe Djinn7 votesThe reason a punishment resets your honor is being if you are toxic enough that you are punished, you are not being an honorable community member. Part of being honorable is following the Summoner's Code, and to get punished you have to not be following it.
TheWizardM2 votesYes, but everyone has bad days. It's unrealistic to think people can be 100% angels every game, unless of course, they /mute all at the start of the game, which is exactly the problem I have with this system. It doesn't discourage toxicity, as the chance of actually getting a punishment is qutie low, and it doesn't seem to scale with the severity of toxic behaviour. This results in one of two things;
The result of this is quite visible in-game, as most players either start the game with a /mute all, or is extremely toxic. It's very rare to see people that actually have a friendly convo in chat (except when playing with premades, of course). I have yet to find another game with a similar situation in chat.
ModThe Djinn3 votes{quoted}Yes, but everyone has bad days. It's unrealistic to think people can be 100% angels every game...
This is why the system has some leeway built in. I get frustrated like everyone else, for example, and sometimes get a bit snippy or sarcastic at a team if I'm in a bad mood, but I've been playing for 9 years without a chat restriction of any kind. In order to get a punishment you either need to step well over the line, or step slightly over the line frequently.
TheWizardM1 votesIn that case the system does a really bad job of showing this, as the quoted reason for the punishment was the chat log of a single game. As far as I can tell, the system doesn't have any leeway at all, and is very inconsistent with enforcing rules, which results in the opposite effect (as I described in my previous comment).
ModThe Djinn1 votesIn that case the system does a really bad job of showing this, as the quoted reason for the punishment was the chat log of a single game. As far as I can tell, the system doesn't have any leeway at all, and is very inconsistent with enforcing rules, which results in the opposite effect (as I described in my previous comment).
If you have the chat logs I might be able to help you see why one game might have been enough here.
TheWizardM1 votesI don't have them rn, though I did make another post about that. I was quite negative towards my adc, who had banned my champion and was complaining about how bad the team was doing, which really triggered me as I was already in a bad mood. I didn't use slurs or attack him personally though. I did use the word 'fucking' alot.
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Game 1 In-Game TheWizardM: My adc banned myh pick :D TheWizardM: Lucian you have no fucking right to complain about the rest of the team TheWizardM: you fucking banned the pick from a teammate TheWizardM: you jsut lost you your lane though TheWizardM: cuz im not interested in playing this game TheWizardM: in the slightest TheWizardM: let alone heling you TheWizardM: helping* TheWizardM: report lucian negative attitude: he banned my champion intentionally TheWizardM: and thats a reason because....? TheWizardM: this is a fucking normal TheWizardM: you dont ban your support's champion TheWizardM: if you're not happy with your support's pick, you dodge, you dont fucking ruin the dame for them TheWizardM: when my champ is banned by my adc, im not going to dodge. Im not going to get a fucking dodge timer just because my teammate is TheWizardM: a troll TheWizardM: just end pls. Kathus and Lucian are premade and they wont surrend, instead opting to complain in chat TheWizardM: Surrender isnt about losing, its about not having fun. You ruiend the game for me lucian. The tears I only bought about 5 min agp TheWizardM: when I was hoping hte surrend vote would go through TheWizardM: the ban? Lol I havent had a punishment in months! Wanna know why? I'm not a toxic lobby troll TheWizardM: Just end please. I got people to report, block, and blacklist TheWizardM: I didnt int lol TheWizardM: like i fucking said TheWizardM: i bought the tears just before the surrend vote TheWizardM: no int indeed TheWizardM: we lost lane TheWizardM: and i got cought out in their invade TheWizardM: while you're at it, report kucian and karthus. You dont want toxic people that ban their allies' champions in your team TheWizardM: lucian
ModThe Djinn3 votesI don't have them rn, though I did make another post about that. I was quite negative towards my adc, who had banned my champion and was complaining about how bad the team was doing, which really triggered me as I was already in a bad mood. I didn't use slurs or attack him personally though. I did use the word 'fucking' alot.
Wait nvm found them
I think what triggered this is the sheer amount of chat spent complaining about your teammate compared to doing anything else, and the fact that you started buying trollish items right before a surrender vote, and ended up with them as the game continued. Those are two behaviors the system really doesn't like.
TheWizardM1 votesThe chat log is pretty short...
Either way, buying the tears was quite toxic yes (though I don't see how that should affect a chat restriction specifically).
The problem I have with this system isn't necessarily that it is harsh, but that it is unclear. If a system is unclear to it users, it is percieved as random. This is the same reason almost no computer comes with an actual random number generator in their hardware - tricking the players into believing something is random by concealing the patterns behind it is good enough.
Combining such perceived randomness with harsh punishments results in the opposite of the intended effect.
Kei1433 votesPunishments are based on consistency x severity. Punishment is not random or happens by chance.
You can have off games and you won't get punished for it unless you were using hate speech.
One thing we can agree on, is that the system's visibility and clarity can use a lot of improvement.
TheWizardM2 votesYes, because a system that is unclear about how it works has the exact same effect as an ectual random system. Heck, most computers base their rng on the pattern being unclear, rather than no patter existing at all.
The Nocturne God2 votesThe system makes it terrifying to chat. I have been at honor 2 checkpoint 3 for a long time.
TheWizardM1 votesExactly. I play online games to socialize, I mean, what else is the point of it being online? And yes, sometimes the mood turns bad. That happens, but making a system that discourages talking in an online game altogether seems weird to me.
The Nocturne God2 votesThe problem is that there is a huge age range for this game. What is socially acceptable to say to a 21 year old is not socially acceptable to say to a 5 year old. Unfortunately, the system is designed with the mindset that we are all 5.
TheWizardM1 votesThat the rules are strict is absolutely fine by me, but they are enforced so inconsistenly that they achieve the opposite effect. Making chat feel like russian roulette does one of two things:
Pika Fox2 votesI do think it might be beneficial to have a proper warning tier or have the first chat restriction not remove honor. If people reform quickly or get removed quickly, im fine with having the first one be less punitive. But anything that gets an instant 14 day and after the first, should definitely drop.
Avasía1 votesYeah this is what I'm saying, but screw us for slipping up, right? Just one time. That's all it takes. I got a chat ban just because I wanted to FF and told them to stfu for spamming my chat.
Avasía1 votesThis happened to me too because I kept bugging my team to FF and stfu. I should've just gotten a warning instead of my honor stripped. Sorry that I fell into an argument with people who were spamming my chat that it was my fault they were losing even though they were inting Riot. Makes no sense. It's really unfair for just one simple slip up and now it's going to take months to get it back up. Seriously? Imaqtpie had to beg people to honor him just so he could get honor 2 back in 3 months. The punishment is absolutely unfair especially to people who rarely ever slip up except for one game. Just one game. That's all it takes. The honor system is flawed and unbalanced and so is their banning system. I had people inting and griefing in my chat before I did and I was the only one that got the blame. This game is unbalanced and flawed. Argue and try to prove me wrong and change my mind all you want, but I honestly won't believe it. I should've just gotten my chat ban and now I have to take so long to get my honor back? My girlfriend barely got her honor 2 back. It took her MONTHS to get it back. Why is it like that? Why do you make it so hard for people? It's ridiculous.