Can support get punishment for farming alongside Marksman ?

verysalt·Aug 1, 2017·3 votes·834 views

Is there any official RIOT information that support can not farm ? Dudes gets enraged when support takes Creep. Where there any instances when support got punished for it ?

21 Comments

SavageConcordiaAug 1, 20174 votes

Lets just say there is a reason you have a 32% win rate over your last 20 games. If you want to support, play as a support not as a gold starved mid/top laner.

verysaltAug 1, 20171 votes

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Lets just say there is a reason you have a 32% win rate over your last 20 games. If you want to support, play as a support not as a gold starved mid/top laner.

In that case you also should watch damage output by my team cuz dudes get's less damage done than Zilean who doesnt farm for 20 minutes. There is clearly something wrong with team mates, when assasin kha does 3x less damage than zilean support.

jimbeitzAug 1, 20172 votes

Zilean main chiming in dont take adc cs grab a spelltheifs it gives gold

SavageConcordiaAug 1, 20171 votes

Or there is something wrong with the support that has zero vision control meaning K6 cant flank without being spotted. Clear wards so K6 can go in from the side, if his only option is to run head on into the enemy team of course he will do no damage. You are the support, your job is to enable success from your teammates which you are very clearly not doing.

Príncess DianaAug 1, 20174 votes

I mean, the punishment would be your ad carry getting behind in gold, meaning you lose teamfights, so yeah there's a higher chance of you losing the game now.

verysaltAug 1, 20171 votes

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I mean, the punishment would be your ad carry getting behind in gold, meaning you lose teamfights, so yeah there's a higher chance of you losing the game now.

I am not talking about losing games. I am in emotional state where i don't play to win any more after freakin terrible team mates for the last 2 days. Not playing to win, i am playing to have fun :D

zPOOPzAug 1, 20171 votes

Then you are having fun at the expense of your other 4 teammates who are trying to win (kind of the core of this game). I think that's a defintion for a umm...t........l...... which is a punishable offense (depends on how far you take your t.....ling).

Príncess DianaAug 1, 20171 votes

Then stop screwing over your carry. How is making other people upset 'having fun'? Play AD Carry if you want to farm. That isn't the point of support. If I were your AD Carry, and you were doing this to me, I'd be pretty fucking pissed.

"Terrible teammates" yeah, no wonder you aren't climbing.

There's a reason why support items give you gold income in other ways, ya know.

verysaltAug 1, 20171 votes

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Then stop screwing over your carry. How is making other people upset 'having fun'? Play AD Carry if you want to farm. That isn't the point of support. If I were your AD Carry, and you were doing this to me, I'd be pretty fucking pissed.

"Terrible teammates" yeah, no wonder you aren't climbing.

There's a reason why support items give you gold income in other ways, ya know.

Talking about "terrible team mates". Just 5 min ago finished another game where me support Teemo with one complete item did exactly same damage as adc Tristana + top Malphite together.

You know what, I wish you those 2 players in your games, i wondering what you would say then about "no wonder you can not climb".

Príncess DianaAug 1, 20171 votes

I mean, last season I was bronze four at one point, this season I'm plat.

So yeah, I've had bad team mates, buddy.

Also, maybe the reason the Tristana dealt no damage was because she didn't get any gold, hmm, I wonder why...

Takeuchi 17Aug 1, 20174 votes

no, there are no instances of rito punishing anyone for creep steals; it's just very heavily looked down upon for a lot of the reasons people have already mentioned. if you want to be a good support you don't steal minion kills, it helps absolutely no one and brings your adc behind. adc need a lot of gold to buy items in order to stay relevant and deal lots of damage, as per their name.

as a support you should simply build a support item like ancient coin which will give you gold when your adc kills a minion. you can also buy a relic shield on a tankier support, so when you kill a minion you give your adc health back (in which case they will ask you to kill a minion to do so, or you should just know the right moment as a good support). supports job first and formost is protection of their adc early game and warding. eventually they should be building support items in the late game that benefit the entire team

AfterTheFallAug 1, 20173 votes

The supports job is to SUPPORT the carry. Not steal the adc's farm. Unless you want your adc to be weak in the mid/late game, do not steal his farm. You're probly the kind of guy that steals half his adc's farm and then bitches at him later on when he cant do any dmg or kill anyone lol ive seen it happen plenty of times. A few cs wont help the support with anything. Unless you have a relic sheild, dont touch the cs. Only thing you should do is hit the ranged creeps 1 time each when they get under your turret, so the adc can last hit it. Im just going to assume you're in bronze if you feel you have the need to take farm from the adc. You dont need it. Supports are designed to be gold starved and still be effective. Get it, learn it, do it.

verysaltAug 1, 20171 votes

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The supports job is to SUPPORT the carry. Not steal the adc's farm. Unless you want your adc to be weak in the mid/late game, do not steal his farm. You're probly the kind of guy that steals half his adc's farm and then bitches at him later on when he cant do any dmg or kill anyone lol ive seen it happen plenty of times. A few cs wont help the support with anything. Unless you have a relic sheild, dont touch the cs. Only thing you should do is hit the ranged creeps 1 time each when they get under your turret, so the adc can last hit it. Im just going to assume you're in bronze if you feel you have the need to take farm from the adc. You dont need it. Supports are designed to be gold starved and still be effective. Get it, learn it, do it.

And what if ADC sux or has no skill to last hit ?

The Leo CatAug 1, 20172 votes

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The supports job is to SUPPORT the carry. Not steal the adc's farm. Unless you want your adc to be weak in the mid/late game, do not steal his farm. You're probly the kind of guy that steals half his adc's farm and then bitches at him later on when he cant do any dmg or kill anyone lol ive seen it happen plenty of times. A few cs wont help the support with anything. Unless you have a relic sheild, dont touch the cs. Only thing you should do is hit the ranged creeps 1 time each when they get under your turret, so the adc can last hit it. Im just going to assume you're in bronze if you feel you have the need to take farm from the adc. You dont need it. Supports are designed to be gold starved and still be effective. Get it, learn it, do it.

I'm afraid I can't really agree here. It's ok for the support to steal some creeps. When I do play ADC, I tell my support to grab one minion every three unless they ran Spell Thief (Which penalizes the user for killing creeps). This is because depending on the champion the support grabbed they may be more item dependent, or don't need items at all.

For example. AP supports like Rakan, Janna, Sona, Soraka, etc benefits heavily from getting an early boost in gold. Rakan Enchanter will boost the ADCs damage, and keep him alive with stronger shields and healing power. His personal shield scales off of his AP as well which means it becomes less risky for him to dive into the enemy line (Building only resistances doesn't work very well on him). The Janna is already f*cking annoying and the faster she can get an ardent censor the better. Sona has been known for just fucking people up in lane, and her abilities scales well on AP. And Soraka needs to rush a Retribution and Ardent Censor asap.

For champions who don't really need the gold. The extra boost in gold helps them rush a sight stone earlier, or get some armor if you're the sort of support who needs to engage hard or face tank, Leona, Thresh, Braum.

Supports can make or break a game just like how a Jungler can make or break the game early. The support needs to do more than keep protect the ADC. The support also needs to roam to mid lane to assist. Or when laning phase is over; engage, peel for all of their team mates, or lock down major threats.

EschetonAug 1, 20173 votes

Adc scale very well with gold. Meaning you want to feed them kills and farm because it makes them insanely strong. Supports are designed to function on a budget. They don't use gold all that well. But they can build support items to get extra gold from being in a duo lane.

Taking farm is bad. Damaging minions to shove the wave into tower fast to either dmg it or back safely with a resetting wave, is good. But try to just prep the minions, don't kill them.

All of this means that supports actively farming hurts the team. And is therefore seen as trolling. Reportably.

Kei143Aug 1, 20173 votes

No.

Supports operating on a budget and feeding everything to the marksmen is just a META tactic.

Going off-meta is not a punishable offense.

However, there is a fine line of off-META strategies and intentionally griefing. The key is intent.

zPOOPzAug 1, 20173 votes

Not really punished for that action.

But taking cs from the markman is a good way to get a flame war going that will get somebody punished.

higuraAug 1, 20172 votes

no, the minions / monsters are in the game to be farmed, there are no rules saying only a specific class is allowed to farm them.

theres only a few times farming can get you in trouble and that is if you are doing it with the intention of assisting the enemy team (exsample: be out farming jungle while enemy are pushing for nexus) or if you are doing it with the sole purpose of screwing over a team mate (not takeing it because you belive thats what is best for the team but rather to intentional put a teammate behind).

however, it is far from a good idea for the support to take farm away from the adc, but thats another topic.

SchmidttyGamesAug 1, 20171 votes

Unless you're only procing Relic Shield, you are really hurting your laner. You are, literally, working for the other team at that point, by doing their job for them and starving your carry of gold.

Buy a gold gen item and do it the right way. Hell, the coin line is super OP right now. Pick up one of those and let your carry do their job.

DrugothAug 1, 20171 votes

There are exceptions of course. If minions are just dying on your tower or just dying in general and there is no one else around to claim that CS I say go ham, otherwise it's wasted gold.