Reporting Toxic, Abusive Players Does Nothing Anymore, Huh?

x Ahria x·Dec 4, 2018·8 votes·6,021 views

Honestly, does anyone else feel the same?

Let me set the stage for ya’s.

I played a game last night, in normal draft (I know, dumb idea) and at first things were going well. I tried saving my jungler who had got caught in river by my laner and their jungle. I got a double but he died though he didn’t seem to triggered by it. Fast forward to me roaming to the enemy jungle to, yet again, help my jungler who was attempting to steal the Aurelian sol jungle’s blue (who is of course near death while I’m a level 6 Diana; yummy). Yi goes to get the blue and I obviously am going to ult the Aurelion. Just as I kill him, Yi flashes from the blue buff to attempt to kill him. I’m thinking, ok if I knew he wanted that kill I wouldn’t have w’d as I e’d him. But of course now Yi is agitated and proceeds to tell me “I’m not helping you anymore” as if I’ve needed the help all game. Fast forward again to me roaming to the enemy jungle while Yi is taking the mountain drake. I see aurelion at chickens, pretty low again, so I think “eh, fuck it, I’ll send him to his fountain. All the while Yi spam pinging the dragon (objectives are important I know, but he clearly was able to solo since the other lanes were preoccupied).

Now this is where it gets wild y’all (as if Aurelion Sol jungle wasn’t wild enough).

After soloing the dragon, Yi proceeds to get pissy with me for not helping him. I said “you clearly were able to solo alone.” To which this guys response.

This guys response was....

“I had to smite!”

.........

My dude. You mean to tell me. That you had to use. A summoner spell that is required to secure objectives in the jungle? That. Is something I’ve never heard of.

Then of course you get the typical response. “Muted you whore.”

Then he goes on to tell the enemy team I’ve ks’d him all game and then the enemy team starts calling me out calling me a whore and a skank, etc etc etc. (yeah they were only trying to tilt me, I ignored it.)

Any who, long story short. How is that not ATLEAST chat restrict worthy? 14 day suspension? Honestly, I get this kinda stuff all the time, and personally I do not think it’s fair on the female community.
I. Freaking love this game. But why is it the community’s voice never heard when you report toxicity? I’ve reported people telling them to “kys”, people calling their teammates “mentally challenged” and plenty of other things. The mute button is great. I get it. But why should we have to mute people that could’ve been restricted in the first place.

Long post, I know, I just want to hear your all’s opinions on the matter.

Didn’t there used to be a like a tribunal thing where actual players decided on reports or something like that? Idk, I just got back into playing at like s6 I think.

27 Comments

GatekeeperTDSDec 4, 20184 votes

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x Ahria xDec 4, 20183 votes

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Oh my god, all of these threads with the same thing.

Bro, if your goal is to play this game for the satisfaction of seeing others punished, you need to adjust your priorities. If you can't just report and move on with your day, probably want to stop playing altogether.

Someone isn't going to get punished from one report unless it's an egregious violation of the rules, and even when someone does get punished, there's a very good chance you're not going to see the feedback report. I've only seen maybe 2 of those in the last year, usually after someone drops some seriously racist shit in chat.

Take solace in the fact that the person flaming you all game is a sad, sad individual with nothing better to do. Move on.

I wasn’t LOOKING for a punishment lol I just don’t see how that’s ok imo

GatekeeperTDSDec 4, 20183 votes

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x Ahria xDec 4, 20182 votes

Ok daddy :/

GatekeeperTDSDec 4, 20183 votes

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JabERw0cKyDec 4, 20184 votes

Sounds like a defeatist.

Perhaps if more people stood up and made some noise, things would get fixed. Instead, the masses just dust themselves off and shuffle on, and then wonder why things never change for the better. Sad.

You said so yourself: "Oh my god, all of these threads with the same thing". Well maybe someone in charge should do something about it. Is that crazy thinking?

PrìncessMononokeDec 4, 20181 votes

As if there isn't already enough kids yelling "Reported" on chat 24/7 from literally anything. You truly want to enforce this kind of behavior more? The reporting system is already being used a direct threat against players.

Rules are made and invented by people so obviously there is no perfect solution. I personally have been banned often for a good reason but that does not mean that i was only party which was breaking community guidelines. There are often 2 sides on the same story, it is not as black and white as you make it to be. Are you going to enlighten us how you would exactly act as a sword of justice here? Because what you are demanding here is something that is literally impossible. Not every toxic player act ill manner on their every single game, but you make it sound like as if this was the case with your statement there.

You honestly cannot change people personality by simply claiming they should, that makes no sense. It is a competitive environment and it often brings up the worst sides from everyone.

JabERw0cKyDec 4, 20182 votes

I think you may have misinterpreted what my point was Princess, so let me help you out.

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As if there isn't already enough kids yelling "Reported" on chat 24/7 from literally anything. You truly want to enforce this kind of behavior more? The reporting system is already being used a direct threat against players.Rules are made and invented by people so obviously there is no perfect solution

I am NOT saying the solution to toxicity is for the masses to spam reports. What I AM saying, is that the answer is not found in simply "shuffling on". Shuffling on, and ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. Ask any medical doctor and/or history major and they'll tell you the same thing.

Rules are made and invented by people so obviously there is no perfect solution. I personally have been banned often for a good reason but that does not mean that i was only party which was breaking community guidelines. There are often 2 sides on the same story, it is not as black and white as you make it to be.

I agree! If you read any of my other posts (which I'm sure you haven't), you'd see that I think the rules are silly and that there are 2 sides of the same story. In fact, most of my posts are arguing that very point. We'll talk more about this in a bit.

Not every toxic player act ill manner on their every single game, but you make it sound like as if this was the case with your statement there.

Again, perhaps you got confused. That wasn't my point at all. My point, again, was: ignoring the problem doesn't solve it.

You honestly cannot change people personality by simply claiming they should, that makes no sense. It is a competitive environment and it often brings up the worst sides from everyone.

I agree! As it was said a few posts prior to this, "assholes are going to be assholes" - GatekeeperTDS. Telling a troll not to be a troll doesn't work. Hence, why we still have so many trolls! The trolls are not being removed.

Are you going to enlighten us how you would exactly act as a sword of justice here?

I'm glad you asked (despite your slightly antagonizing/condescending tone)! FACT: Trolls have been here for a while. FACT: RIOT invented the new Automated Disciplinary System (ADS) to punish people. FACT: Trolls have not declined; at least not to a point worthy of notice. Hypothesis: the ADS/punishment system isn't working as intended, but why?

Firstly, the ADS is an unbiased robot in charge of determining right and wrong. That silly thinking aside... the system is alerted by a report (only 1 report is enough to activate it). The system scans text for no-no words that slightly change per region. Then it looks at a champions end-game stats, and item builds. Using this information; it determines if you are breaking one of the rules.

So what's wrong? Well, the robot doesn't pick up on the actions clever trolls use. Having a support stand at your turret while they spam in-game taunts while the enemy pushes and gets CS leads. Roaming out of lane 1 minute in and CS other lanes, even when they ask you to stop (we've seen this in another post). Then all of the data it collects is manipulable. It's not hard for a troll to be a troll, while still looking good on paper. Since the paper is what the ADS looks at... it's not the most reliable piece of machinery out there. INSTEAD: the system usually picks up on players who snap when suffering their 4th game of being flammed. Trolls make games miserable nearly every game, and cause (otherwise normal) people to snap. The system picks up on them and banns them.. but not the original trolls. Which allows the issue to persist.

TO BOOT: even if you are able to get a troll banned.. they just make a new account. I just saw a post of someone who is on their 26 account. What was everyone's solution? "Just ignore him". Yeah... because that is working, right?

SOLUTION: The system needs to be tweaked. Human inspection needs to be involved I have a few ideas that I think I will post in an original thread to get feedback on.

I don't have all the answers, and I don't know everything. Only a fool thinks they know everything. However, with the information that I have, I can say with 99% certainty that:

Toxicity is still running rampant. Therefore, the overall punishment system (From reporting, to ban systems, etc: designed to keep these trolls away) is not functioning as intended. Therefore, we must come together to find a solution, because ignoring the problem and proceeding as normal, will not solve the issue.

GatekeeperTDSDec 4, 20183 votes

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SHIN0BUDec 4, 20183 votes

Umm maybe that’s ok in real life but lol has SPECIFIC rules against that. They can be whatever and say whatever unless they’re breaking leagues’ rules and that’s what the board posters talking about.

JabERw0cKyDec 4, 20183 votes

I didn't miss your point, I simply disagree with it and firmly state that it does more harm than help.

Assholes are going to be assholes, I totally agree with you! Full heartedly I do! However, does that mean we need to tolerate them? Thieves are going to be thieves; do we move on, or do we call the police to have them fined/imprisoned? Cheaters going are going to cheat; do we tolerate that, or do we break up and find someone better? Just because people are too stubborn to change, doesn't mean we have to tolerate it.

And these "threads with the same thing" are a testament saying that: "we, as the community, are tired of these people ruining the gaming experience for us. RIOT, please help us, because your current system is not working."

C9 AphroliftDec 5, 20181 votes

I didn't miss your point, I simply disagree with it and firmly state that it does more harm than help.

Assholes are going to be assholes, I totally agree with you! Full heartedly I do! However, does that mean we need to tolerate them? Thieves are going to be thieves; do we move on, or do we call the police to have them fined/imprisoned?

Let's look at this another way.

If you're going to play an online game like league of legends you're going to run into toxic behavior sooner or later. It's like walking into a shady section of town, at night, alone. Is it wrong if you get assaulted or robbed? Of course.

But, you can save yourself by simply taking a different path(like muting).

Also, it's not "being tolerated" it's just you have to meet certain qualifications for Riot to dish out punishments(like playing Ezreal support and carrying your team). You can equate this to the real life scenarios of not all thieves are going to get caught. But you can still report them to the police(aka submitting a report post-game).

dnsupDec 6, 20182 votes

No.

disregardableDec 4, 20182 votes

probably want to stop playing altogether

Everyone would be better off not playing this game, but it's designed to be addictive.

x Ahria xDec 4, 20181 votes

If that’s not the truth I don’t know what is XD

PrìncessMononokeDec 4, 20181 votes

Yes this point is very valid. Usually those whom report only want to see satisfaction of someone getting banned, not to see justice served. This is why i am personally partially against current ban system. Often smack is said by both parties but usually only 1 side gets banned in the process. However there is 1 legit way not to get banned though Riot games denied this not to be case (Yes, they send an e-mail to me when i questioned about this matter from their support service) but after 28 banned accounts i think i know what i am talking about here. Also this account i am commenting with is banned. But i do not mind, sometimes what i say in chat is unjustified but usually it is not even me whom throws the first stone. Also i am not good person so i often aren't going to turn another cheek to those whom throw those stones.

I dislike that i am not allowed to speak my mind in a virtual environment, it is a competitive game and trash talk is going to happen sooner or later due the difference in skill between players you participate with. Also there is a huge egoism issue with younger players whom often blame everyone in the team regardless if they are the one feeding or not. Anyway i think the game deserves the way i am behaving because the community is just what it is.

Most players are also okay, considering the amount of games i play i get reported from like a fraction out of all games played. It is not uncommon those whom report you are also toxic themselves. In OP's case this is not what is happening, but usually the ones whom report you are also extremely toxic players. Obviously i am talking about my personal experience here so i do not know if that is common or uncommon. (The system bans players based on amount of games played/said time frame. The %-amount of toxicity is not counted it does not matter, the time frame is only key factor here. With as many banned accounts as i have i know this is a fact, despite Riot literally denied this to be the case. So players whom are equally toxic but play their games far between or should i say casually are not getting punished despite being equally as toxic in %-amount. Or maybe i am wrong here and it is just about luck for not getting reported. Which is the case from most games players rarely report you because they do not take this game as seriously if your insults are literally only concerning about the game and not attacking them on personal level.)

Also bans rarely work, it usually never change personality of said players like me for example. I wont stop arguing with players i see that aren't on the same wavelength with me and start trash talk, i will usually respond with way more ill manner. There are tons and tons of low level accounts created by banned players each day. Ban system does not work. It may give satisfaction for those whom want to report for that reason but those who truly want to clean up environment and make the toxic players feel as if they're punished it is not working. Well in some cases it might work (read; all those whiners on forums who cry about their accounts getting banned) but most of times players do not care they just keep making accounts like i do.

Well i gave my insight about this from the other side of this fence as a villain of this community which i obviously am. Nothing can truly stop players from being toxic etc. Except themselves.

ZakyiDec 4, 20183 votes

Upvoted.

I just made a post regarding this. I've heard some borderline criminal things be said in game; many involving hate speech and death threats, over the past three months I've returned to the game. Not a single notification was received that any of the reported players have been punished.

This approach Riot has towards toxicity recently has had me doubting my return.

Icy Hot ShotoDec 4, 20182 votes

It's possible he, and the others if you reported them, DID get at least a chat restriction if that is what they said, but you didn't get the notification for it. You're not likely to get the notification like you used to.

I believe a Red has said the reason for that was to prevent witch hunting? But I could be remembering wrong.

x Ahria xDec 4, 20181 votes

That makes sense tbh. I remember a premade once all reported me then they all added me like a couple days later and asked if I got banned. I’m like...no, who are you people? (I had completely forgotten them lol) then they flames me in messages so I blocked them

CharDeeMcDennizDec 4, 20182 votes

it you're talking results, it works just fine, i mean just glance at these boards

if you're talking some kind of instant-gratification every time you report someone you dont like, no not so much

x Ahria xDec 5, 20181 votes

Yeah I feel you.

Also, I may add you if that’s ok because holy shit I love your username. 10/10

CharDeeMcDennizDec 5, 20181 votes

haha thnx*[katarina-love]*

AsTheSunSetsDec 4, 20181 votes

Usually I just get punished for reporting by getting that same player on my team for the next couple games.

VreivaiDec 5, 20181 votes

I really don't know what more you want them to do. If that player repeats similar behavior in multiple games, they will get chat restricted. I suppose you could chat restrict people for the first offense, but that would be overly harsh. And even if you did that, you'd still get players behaving like this, because this behavior needs to happen before they can be punished for it. Minority Report isn't real.

x Ahria xDec 5, 20181 votes

UPDATE:

Let’s not start arguments in the comments please. I was simply stating my story and sharing my disappointment in a part of the League community. Let’s all get along and be positive :)

Ps4SAOAsunaDec 5, 20181 votes

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UPDATE:

Let’s not start arguments in the comments please. I was simply stating my story and sharing my disappointment in a part of the League community. Let’s all get along and be positive :)

I've stepped down from this game and moving on to games that are fun. I'm too old to simply deal with children at a regular basis. Now if you were at my age certainly you will eventually stepped down as well. The truth hurts these kids, so that's why i was perm banned for sure.

Total EclipseDec 5, 20181 votes

That was a great story xD You made a pathetic story (on the League Boards no less) sound absolutely hilarious. I love your energy.

Getting called a whore and a skank tho? Really? I find it hard to believe that you "get that all the time," because in my ~5,000 games I've seen that kind of shit ONE single time and I stood up for her.