SOOOOO is the tribunal ever going to be fixed

TyranosRex·May 3, 2016·5 votes·890 views

So the tribunal has been in maintenance for a while and it really doesn't seem to be making any progress*[slayer-jinx-unamused]*

13 Comments

1letternameMay 5, 20162 votes

The message saying you were banned by the tribunal has been delete and replaced with a fuck you message. I got banned for starting ranked again and climbing to my previous elo.

Harmony11May 6, 20161 votes

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I got banned for starting ranked again and climbing to my previous elo.

Somehow, with the lack of a report card (or any kind of evidence) I find this very hard to believe.

eastcoastblazeMay 5, 20162 votes

No.

Tribunal wasnt banning enough people because the people reviewing the tribunal were wctual people, capable or understanding context, basic human emmotions, and being able to show empathy. In the tribunal if you say a teammate tell the person being reviewed "i hope your mom dies from cancer and you kill yourself from grief" and you responded with "your a piece of shit go fuck yourself" youd get a pass.

Not on lytes autoban bot.

TrulyBlandMay 6, 20163 votes

Actually, no... you wouldn't get a pass. Why do you think Riot enforces the "no retaliation"-rule, to begin with? It's because it was an apparent pattern in Tribunal. Most people actually agree with that rule.

eastcoastblazeMay 7, 20161 votes

You would get a pass because back when the tribunal was in place i routinely gave the person a pass if it was something like the situation above and I had a 93% correct case review.

TrulyBlandMay 7, 20162 votes

Then your experience was different from mine. In fact I remember a lot of threads made by banned people that accused Tribunal voters of only reading the chat of the offender and ignoring the context. The exact same thing people are complaining about now, people complained about then... And just like now, back then people wanted to return to the old system (i.e. Riot manually distributing bans) because it was much better at judging context. And just like now, back then this argument was bullshit, because the rules had always been the same and people had always been punished for retaliation.

The only thing that keeps changing is Riot's capability of strictly punishing people according to those rules. And then people are surprised when they get punished for doing something that they usually got away with, but that was never actually allowed according to Riot.

eastcoastblazeMay 7, 20161 votes

I took the time to read every case, yet got 93% correct ratio, so in most cases if they got punished id say they actually deserved it

TrulyBlandMay 7, 20161 votes

That's not the point... the point is people blame whatever they can to shift the blame away from themselves. The moment Riot no longer manually distributed bans, people would seek to blame the system, and the eternal scape goat has always been "ignored context". This particular context (aka: "But he started it!") has always been ignored. It has been ignored by Riot's employees, it has been ignored by Tribunal and it is now being ignored by the automatic system.

If such specific cases were pardoned, it was usually brought up by Riot as the downside of Tribunal, since it was always erring on the side of pardon (to minimize false positives), and as a result was lenient in cases where neither the majority of the playerbase nor Riot would have actually pardoned.

Demon King MaouMay 3, 20161 votes

Nope too expensive! ;P

EvereldaMay 4, 20161 votes

lets see its been how many months........yeah its pretty obvious by now that tribunal is either soon(tm) or not gonna happen ever

(soon tm means as soon as we get around to it which will be somewhere between later today and never)

Harmony11May 6, 20161 votes

Tribunal as we knew it has been replaced by the automated system. Even with the Tribunal live I believe a vast majority of players (I mean well over 90%) were punished, and people were constantly on the old forums whining about how people just spammed punish without reviewing the cases. Ever since we switched to an automated system the number of cases I've seen Riot overturn has been in single-digits, and almost as many have been escalated to permabans from lower offenses. I remember at least one person went from chat restriction to perma thanks to whining and asking Riot to review his case, only for them to find he slipped through the cracks.

When Tribunal comes back (likely some time after the new client) it will be more for evaluating all types of players, positive and negative, and being a reward/punish system that augments the automatic system rather than replaces it. A vast majority of cases will still be taken care of by the instant-feedback system. Until then Riot and the Player Behavior team are more focused on improving the accuracy of the automated system (which as I said is already extremely accurate if not lenient).

blkh1May 7, 20161 votes

Why worry about making something for people to do when a machine can do it more efficiently?

RPHXLeeroyMay 7, 20161 votes

Wait so if its an automated system is there even a point to filling out that little text box as to why you're reporting that person? Its not like Riot has some kind of advanced AI that can understand what I'm explaining.