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Can you get banned if you didnt do anything wrong but people still reported you

ShakeDatYasuo··17 votes·8,216 views

so i was playing a blind pick after doing some work in my garage. and it was chill i was having fun. and then i get ganked by their whole team and instantly die, so i say "hello can you guys call mia pls" and then this one guy is like "we did, dont try us, we are a group of four and will get you banned" and the rest of the game they proceeded to say stuff in /all chat like "omg no way yasuo just called me a fking nger" and other completely untrue stuff. and telling them to report me. and i know for sure they all reported me for being "toxic" even tho the only thing i might have said is "fuck" when i died and almost killed someone but idk if thats chat restrictionable. and also they spam pinged me the whole game to the point i had to take off my headphones because it was driving me mad. Which brings me to my other point being, Why is it not an option to completely mute pings, like i know some people /mute all in the beginning of games which i might start doing because its cancer, and people would /mute all pings if it was an option and riot might not like to just cut off all communication. but shouldnt it be my choice if i want to cut out communication, at the very least there should be a better system that limits how much pings you can ping, like if you ping 100 times in 10 minutes thats obviously a problem.

But is it possible for me to get something stupid like chat restriction or even a ban because these children wanted to be upset.

UPDATE I didn't get banned or even chat restriction, YET.. Thanks for all the helpful comments :)

47 Comments

ModPrandine10 votes

From Riot Tantram:

Actually, Erdrik is correct here.

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing .. unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

Great Muta4 votes

Here's the issue though.

Say I'm toxic in Games 1-4. But in game 5, I behave and am given a bogus report anyway that triggers the punishment. I would still be punished due to behaviors in Games 1-4, so the bogus report would be technically counted.

Magical Player10 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=708Kyjme,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-03-11T00:10:29.096+0000)

Here's the issue though.

Say I'm toxic in Games 1-4. But in game 5, I behave and am given a bogus report anyway that triggers the punishment. I would still be punished due to behaviors in Games 1-4, so the bogus report would be technically counted.

You're still toxic, the report 1-4 are still valid riot doesn't need x amount of games to punish a user 1 game is enough So even if report 5 is bogus 1-4 are still damning evidence against you

Great Muta3 votes

This is correct and is exactly what I'm saying.

If someone has a history of toxicity, even if the report that triggered the punishment was false, that will trigger an investigation and get you banned due to your history.

What should happen is - If a bogus report triggers my punishment, that report and the punishment should be thrown out completely.

Basically, if I'm feeling spiteful, I can false report you, gambling that you said something in a previous game. Even if my report will be thrown out, past behaviors will be used as evidence to justify your ban.

The other thing is we don't know how far back Riot goes through your history to justify bans. Is it x games? Is it x months? The further you go back, the more likely you will be to find something.

Limmie4 votes

It wasn't the report that triggered the punishment, what triggered the punishment was your own toxic behavior in the previous games. The false report merely triggered the discovery of the behavior.

The notion that if a false report leads to the detection of genuine bad behavior, then they should turn a blind eye to it is nonsensical. Imagine if somebody tells you your wife is cheating on you with the neighbor, you investigate it and find out that she isn't doing anything with the neighbor but with her coworker instead. Would you just overlook it because the original accusation was false?

Great Muta1 votes

It wasn't the report that triggered the punishment, what triggered the punishment was your own toxic behavior in the previous games. The false report merely triggered the discovery of the behavior.

The problem is 95% of lol players could be banned under the current standards when calling someone a retard is all it takes. Any swear words are offensive language. Any arguments are negative or verbal. Leaving is an AFK, doing poorly could be considered an int feed, begging the team to surrender is negative. Asking for reports is negative. Any complaints are negative. Any insults are verbal. Not grouping probably has a category. The jury is out on picking off meta/off role with the Support Nunu situation since they banned then unbanned him, amongst other issues.

The notion that if a false report leads to the detection of genuine bad behavior, then they should turn a blind eye to it is nonsensical. Imagine if somebody tells you your wife is cheating on you with the neighbor, you investigate it and find out that she isn't doing anything with the neighbor but with her coworker instead. Would you just overlook it because the original accusation was false?

It's really not what is going on here.

If you are throwing out bogus reports and it is the one that triggers the punishment, that report and the punishment should be thrown out. If you get reported the next game legitimately, then it's a fair ban.

Again though, that all depends on how far back Riot is going here, which is a big question that needs answered. How many games do Rioters look back on when justifying bans? Is there a set number of games or is it up to the staff member to decide? If there is no set amount of games, it would leave the door open for interpretation and that's never good.

We also have another issue with the various reporting categories. Verbal, negative and offensive language are all 3 different categories. Do all players know this and/or care? I'm doubtful of that. I'm personally a revenge reporter and if you get me mad, I'm going to pick 3 categories to report you in because I can. We also do know, when you get banned, it doesn't specify whether it was for negative or verbal, even though they are separate things. Mine says "extremely inflamatory and offensive", but yet I didn't use swear words or use offensive verbiage. That's no report category, so I would think the verbal and negative reports counted together even though they are separate things. That's not right.

RacoonHunter1 votes

I agree, but here's another thing. It may trigger a report, but the system itself will kick back at least 1-2 games of toxic. say if your toxic games 1-2 but nice games 3-4 and super toxic in game 5.. the game will see that 3-4 you were good and that 5 you probably got tited and would ignore it.

This can be shown in logs when you are chat restricted or banned as they only go back 3 games.

Magical Player3 votes

You can ask riot how far they go back(you can ask for more info on you're specific punishment if you like, my guess is depending on current punishment they can go back farther) My guess is seasonal reset (aka 8-12 months)

So let me get this straight you think 1 report triggers the system to review your account.... reporting triggers the system to review the game the report was filed to. If a report is seen as valid the system then monitors to see repeat behavior to punish a user if your toxic 4/5 games and game 5 is a false report regardless 4/5 games you were toxic you should be punished

You can be punished over 1 game(very hard unless one of the big nono's)

Great Muta1 votes

There was no seasonal reset this year as far as I'm aware. I know I didn't hear about it like I did last season and I do know I got banned after the season started anyway, which shouldn't have been possible with a reset.

I think that:

  • 95% of lol players probably could and should be banned under current standards, but the standards depend on if you got reported or not and that's always going to vary. I've had days where I've reported 20+ people alone. All were legit bans and AFAIK, no one got banned.

  • A bogus report can trigger a ban. Even if the report is proven to be bogus....

  • Riot looks through your chat history to justify bans. We don't know how far back they look or if they follow the same standard for everyone and since 95% could probably be banned, you are probably getting banned.

Magical Player1 votes

Takes on average to earn back season rewards/loot boxxes after being punished so The season reset just means everyone starts off eligible to earn rewards, doesn't mean they're entitled to earn them if they're still punished(i'm not 100% on this point)

95% where are you getting this number from?

Bogus report only scans a game for review nothing more if the game aligns to a pattern of behavior then punishment is given out

Yes riot does look through your chat history to give out punishments. However!!!! a false report does not add into the calculation if you're reported 4/5 games and 4/5 are legit reports you are boned regardless of the 5th being legit or not as the other 4 would of tripped the punishment

Great Muta1 votes

Takes on average to earn back season rewards/loot boxxes after being punished

I've gotten rewards after 2 week punishments. It takes a few months or upwards to 60-70 games to get them back. And the second you have a string of bad matches, you get banned and lose them anyway. In the current system, I had full rewards and got banned.

The season reset just means everyone starts off eligible to earn rewards, doesn't mean they're entitled to earn them if they're still punished(i'm not 100% on this point)

They didn't do it this year. If you can find me an official statement from Riot that there was a behavioral reset, I'd like to see it.

95% where are you getting this number from?

The bar for what is reportable is so low that just about everything in the game is reportable. When people are getting banned for saying the retard, when that's all it takes, anything can get you banned.

Bogus report only scans a game for review nothing more if the game aligns to a pattern of behavior then punishment is given out

And as I said, 95% of players could be punished under current rules, so everyone could be punished if someone were to review their games.

A normal anonymous game/sport in anything is going to have flaming and insults and stuff. League doesn't understand this and expects the temperament of Barney the Dinosaur at all times.

This game is very competitive. People really care about what happens and people are putting money into this game through IP boosts and buying champs. Not to mention how much time this game takes. It's an investment, not a game. I care about what happens in my games and expecting me to just sit back and let someone make a sucker of me without me saying anything is never going to happen.

However!!!! a false report does not add into the calculation if you're reported 4/5 games and 4/5 are legit reports you are boned regardless of the 5th being legit or not as the other 4 would of tripped the punishment

When a bogus report is made, it should nullify the report and triggered punishment. It doesn't right now.

Riot is also not clear on what negative attitude vs verbal abuse is, even when they ban you as they don't ban you for one or the other. They ban you under a different term, which replies than negatives and verbals stack. And if Riot doesn't know the difference, then how can the players who get to report people for 3 categories and don't care anyway? That's the real stuff we are talking about with bogus reports. Negative and verbal are very different, yet Riot counts them together and players are going to revenge report in their 3 category maximum because no one has gotten punished over false reporting for a long time.

And as I've stated, due to Riot's tolerance being so low for bad behavior, I think 95% of players could easily be banned if someone looked through their history, if calling someone a retard is all it takes. So if you go through a players history, you will find something somewhere, especially if you go back far enough.

Magical Player1 votes

Low tolerance??? If by this you mean they punish for harassment after several games then yes I suppose it is low I'd disagree with you about 95% would be punished if reported

in addition No we should not nullify a punishment because of 1 invalid report 4/5 games you were toxic riot can punish off 1 game alone unless the one game is invalid, then we can toss out punishment

You've never been punished for false reporting your value input to the system has always been reduced for false reports

Lets be clear league of legends is not an investment for a user it is a hobby, unless and I mean unless you turn it into a job streaming- pro play for 95% of the community this is a hobby

Did you know: Riot allows for "normal anonymous game/sport in anything is going to have flaming and insults and stuff. " to a degree it becomes a problem when "kys you %%%gg3tlord 360 noscpe btch,fuck your mum" now that entire statement is beyond acceptable behavior aside from cod where nobody gives a shit not even the developers and yes league may be a tad more strict than the average but they could be club penguin strict as well

"I care about what happens in my games and expecting me to just sit back and let someone make a sucker of me without me saying anything is never going to happen."

Look at this way by you lets say trash talking a troll, what are you accomplishing? does it change the outcome of the troll/feeeder/afk? Does it make the game not happen?

zecastar4 votes

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You're still toxic, the report 1-4 are still valid riot doesn't need x amount of games to punish a user 1 game is enough So even if report 5 is bogus 1-4 are still damning evidence against you

There is a threshold. It's not just "was this guy ever toxic?" or most of the playerbase would probably be punished. For an ethical and correct system, that threshold has to be the same for everyone. If you introduce false evidence to tip someone over the edge, that is not moral or acceptable in any way.

Likewise, if you're nearly past the legal alcohol limit while driving and I inject you with whiskey, it would not be moral if you got arrested for it. It doesn't matter that it's better if you drink nothing at all before driving. There are rules and they need to be applied uniformly. This is basic logic and moral reasoning. It's never OK for false evidence to count against you in any way. It doesn't matter what you did in the past. The triggering evidence has to be valid or it's all BS.

Limmie4 votes

Likewise, if you're nearly past the legal alcohol limit while driving and I inject you with whiskey, it would not be moral if you got arrested for it. It doesn't matter that it's better if you drink nothing at all before driving.

That's a completely invalid analogy. A better one would be, if there was a cop sitting on the side of the road with a speedgun, and he would stop and ask for a breathalyzer test if people went past above the speed limit. If the gun turned out to be overestimating speeds, then yeah, you couldn't be punished for breaking the speed limit. But if the test proved you were DUIing, then of course you would get punished for that.

The false report didn't increase the severity of your actual infractions in any way, it just increased the likelyhood that they would be discovered.

Magical Player3 votes

{quoted}

There is a threshold. It's not just "was this guy ever toxic?" or most of the playerbase would probably be punished. For an ethical and correct system, that threshold has to be the same for everyone. If you introduce false evidence to tip someone over the edge, that is not moral or acceptable in any way.

Likewise, if you're nearly past the legal alcohol limit while driving and I inject you with whiskey, it would not be moral if you got arrested for it. It doesn't matter that it's better if you drink nothing at all before driving. There are rules and they need to be applied uniformly. This is basic logic and moral reasoning. It's never OK for false evidence to count against you in any way. It doesn't matter what you did in the past. The triggering evidence has to be valid or it's all BS.

Let me repeat 1 game , 1 game is enough to warrant punishment false reports do not count against a user a report only triggers a game to be reviewed if you are toxic 4/5 games the 5th game is reviewed and found to not relate to your toxicity is moved out, the remaining 4 games are still more than enough to warrant punishment

False evidence is not being counted against you

0F9mA5CCNi1 votes

these riot advisor fanboys are gonna find every excuse on the planet to call you toxic. fuck them and fuck this game its literally a lost cause these losers will do everything in their power to conform to the babies who spam report all day.

0F9mA5CCNi1 votes

literally the fattest lie ive ever seen on screen. i literally got reported for absolutely nothing after i had a team use the n word all day and i got banned for it i checked the reform card and not a single slur or bad word was used on my end. fix your game because this is the 4th time this has happened to me.

ModPrandine

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literally the fattest lie ive ever seen on screen. i literally got reported for absolutely nothing after i had a team use the n word all day and i got banned for it i checked the reform card and not a single slur or bad word was used on my end. fix your game because this is the 4th time this has happened to me.

Okay first off, I don't work for Riot, I'm just a volunteer boards moderator. Second off, if you're confident you've been falsely punished then you won't mind posting your entire unedited Reform Card in it's own separate thread.

Dynikus6 votes

nope. If you didn't do anything wrong, you're fine. All them reporting you would do is make their future reports weighed less. I hope you reported them, though.

ShakeDatYasuo2 votes

Okay thanks and yeah I reported them

zecastar2 votes

I can't believe people still think this. You get instant feedback within seconds of a game being over. No one is reading your chat to understand anything - not even an AI (beyond some keywords and elementary phrases). It's based primarily on the frequency of reports you had on your account relative to the rest of the population. The rest are just lies to promote trust in the system. Riot can barely make intelligent bots, let alone an AI capable of comprehending English within seconds and fully understanding the context of what is being written even when no profanity/death threats/etc. are used.

scazzman1 votes

{quoted}

I can't believe people still think this. You get instant feedback within seconds of a game being over. No one is reading your chat to understand anything - not even an AI (beyond some keywords and elementary phrases). It's based primarily on the frequency of reports you had on your account relative to the rest of the population. The rest are just lies to promote trust in the system. Riot can barely make intelligent bots, let alone an AI capable of comprehending English within seconds and fully understanding the context of what is being written even when no profanity/death threats/etc. are used.

yup. it probably just auto chat restricts the top 5% of people reported for chat related offenses

EndlessSorcerer5 votes

Reports flag your games for review.

If you haven't done anything punishable, you won't be punished for it.

ShakeDatYasuo1 votes

Okay thanks

zecastar5 votes

Yes. There are no actual rules (the ToS is a joke and can be twisted to apply to anything). If people report you frequently and incorrectly, all that will happen is that those reports with time become "correct" according to the system. If people don't like what you say, it means you have no right to say it according to the system. It doesn't matter if you're right or not. It's about how they feel. It's actually pretty ridiculous but that's how it works at a fundamental level.

The comment by Riot Tantram is not true (even the Nunu support player proved this - as did many others). Report frequency matters A LOT and validity much less so (mostly Riot's fault for not having clear guidelines). Or perhaps it's better to say that validity has no objective basis outside of what people agree with. If they agree that saying "you're a fluffy kitten" is verbal abuse, you'll eventually get banned for it. It is still true that if you say nothing at all you can't get banned for verbal abuse.

Magical Player5 votes

Report frequency matters in the sense of manual reviews where if you have hundreds of reports against you Normal players don't earn 100's of reports in a short time frame the support nunu did The ifs works by tracking a users behavior to develop a case for punishment manual review steps in to do random checks on the system or handle outliers that the system doesn't quite know how to resolve

You can not get banned for verbal abuse if you say nothing....... that is illogical

0F9mA5CCNi1 votes

Illogical. Same word used to describe your ToS this is my fourth time getting banned for absolutely nothing and im not the first person to have this happened to them. stop trying to cover up for how garbage your game is

0F9mA5CCNi1 votes

Very true statement.

Great Muta3 votes

You could be. Depends on what was said.

Fake reports do work. Say I'm toxic in Games 1-4. If I behave in Game 5 and someone puts in a bogus report anyway, Riot would look through my history and uphold the ban due to being toxic in games 1-4.

TittiesRUs3 votes

That actually happened to me. I was really toxic in one of my games so I got reports, justifiably so, but then two other games I behaved just fine but I got bogus reports from teammates due to a bad score xD. I ended up getting banned because of that.

Troll for Trump3 votes

Yes and no.

If you're toxic in any sort of borderline way, the system might flag it as toxic. You don't know the exact parameters, but they are pretty broad. Mostly to appease to oversensitive people. Best not to say anything. Don't even bother communicating, if it will have a bit of edge on it.

If you type, and are reported a lot, one of those will likely end up triggering something.

Basically, you can't type a lot or communicate unless you're 100% positive and cheerful like lux.

Telephone Booth2 votes

Of course not. Imagine a system where people could report you for no reason and you get banned lol

RacoonHunter2 votes

To be honest, if the computers don't find anything wrong, you wont get anything. Hell, the computers allow intentional feeders to continue to play and people who say N gg F g O (fill in the blanks) to keep playing although the second word is up in the air as it's also the name of a cig over in europe.

hell, you can spam pings all game and wont even get a ding on your account under the new system. I'm only saying this because the system is a joke tbh.

TittiesRUs1 votes

Instant feedback can actually ban you if everyone reports you in one game. It's why you get those messages that they have been banned like the instant you exit the game if you have say an inting teammate

ShakeDatYasuo1 votes

Im lucky the other team didnt believe what they were saying because ALL of them were saying different stuff constantly and spamming everything in /all chat which made it very unlikely that i was typing 100 fully formed insulting sentences in 10 minutes. But ive been cucked by the instant feedback Robot bitch before so anything is possible... Hopefully justice will prevail.

Limmie4 votes

{quoted}

Im lucky the other team didnt believe what they were saying

It wouldn't matter at all, one report does exactly the same thing as 9. More reports don't trigger more punishments nor more quickly. A premade of 4 hold as much report power as a single person. In fact the system was deliberately designed that way exactly for this reason.

ShakeDatYasuo2 votes

oh okay

SirPurrr2 votes

{quoted}

Instant feedback can actually ban you if everyone reports you in one game. It's why you get those messages that they have been banned like the instant you exit the game if you have say an inting teammate

They say punished not banned. You just wish that inting teammate got banned. They're much more likely to get banned for some words people don't like than actually making the game intentionally unwinnable.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Not really, but the problem is Riots rules of what is "wrong" are ridiculously strict, so to a logical person it may seem as though it was for no reason.

OneTrickZilian1 votes

Yes. If you was suspended previously then for a simple thing like "sigh" or "fu" can get perma banned.

Master Vemira1 votes

Yes, and eventually you'll get banned for something so non toxic, that it will make you toxic.

deoje2991 votes

Theoretically no, but it does happen occasionally.

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Short answer: Yes but it wouldn't happen realistically.

NotSpecialDude1 votes

Reminds me of a "lovely" game I had a few days ago. I went jinx adc and our support went twitch and we were up against a cait/morgana.

It didn't end well for any of us.

That said, both the malz and the twitch began fishing for a response out of me. They pretty much blamed me for every fight that went south and with the exception of a "kys" from malz, worded their statements in a very passive aggressive way. Essentially they wanted to make me the scapegoat for the match and most likely report me for toxicity. (probably to cover for the fact that our mid malz went 0/7 and the twitch went 2/8 stole so a lot of cs)

I stayed otherwise silent, and defended myself only when accused of trolling, by explaining my logic. I am almost certain they reported me, but I comfortable knowing that I behaved myself and it didn't pass my attention they they never directly argued against my logic.

Favorite moment:

Malz and twitch start a fight against the whole enemy team but die almost instantly. I didn't join in cause I was 2 levels lower then everyone else.

Malzahar : WTF jinx?

Jinx : What did you think I could have accomplished?

neither of us said anything for 10 mins

later... right before the nexus is destroyed.

Malzahar : What did you think I could have accomplished?

Jinx : I don't know.

CARNAGE69 yt1 votes

a report either True or Fake trigger a review of that game if you said something terribly wrong you WILL get banned if its a fake report NOTHING will happen i think that every player has a "report score" if you report a lot of people and no one gets punished the system will start ignoring your reports if everyone you reported got successfuly punished your reports will be concidered more

best way to not get banned is not speaking it might be hard not to anwser to someone calling you out but its the best thing to do Ping are more than enough to communicate and /mute all is still a good option if you're tilted [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Hyquiem1 votes

Lol too lazy to click 9 times Xd. IMO I would just play the game normally, and mute all even if they spam ping they will be so frustrated they themselves will trash each other it happens.

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