@ RIOT, Permabans in general

CrisisEchoes·Feb 5, 2016·4 votes·1,578 views

Riot should allow a permabanned player to appeal the ban after a year passes, through support. Perhaps undergo an evaluation of some kind. I understand that the things said to get to a permanent ban are usually horrific, however, a lot can change in a years time. People mature, things in their life can change

You dont know if the person that was being toxic constantly had an abusive family, got picked on in school every day, ect. Its not an excuse to be toxic, but... its just my opinion, and I stand by it.

Good day, and if any of you happen to read this, thanks for your time.

(Yes I have been permabanned before, I will be completely out in the air with my bias. I am not perfect, I still rage sometimes, however, I haven't had a single chat restriction in 5 months. The occurrences have gone down, and the severity is mostly just calling the off person every 10th game a dick for harassing me, before I promptly mute.)

37 Comments

GypsyleeboyFeb 5, 20167 votes

You probably could have had a good point till

and there is a lot of money spent on accounts.

Right there.. Not because "riot wants you to spend more on a new account", but because you'll get downvoted hard since it seems like you just want to recover a banned account you spent money on.

CrisisEchoesFeb 5, 20162 votes

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You probably could have had a good point till

Right there.. Not because "riot wants you to spend more on a new account", but because you'll get downvoted hard since it seems like you just want to recover a banned account you spent money on.

There is an account I want to get recovered, I'm quite honestly gonna be frank. I don't like to obscure shit. If people want to downvote my opinion more power to them, its not like downvotes make it any less visable.

Ill remove it tho, youre right, moneys not a very important part of the argument.

GypsyleeboyFeb 5, 20161 votes

there, Good man.

MasterSomethingFeb 5, 20164 votes

Permanent Ban. PERMANENT. No take backs. Ever. The only exception is a false ban, and that rarely happens. People can change, yes- but you cannot run from consequences. If a person is being abused, they shouldn't be taking it out on others. You have the power to type whatever you want and press ENTER. You also have the power to not do that.

CrisisEchoesFeb 5, 20161 votes

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Permanent Ban. PERMANENT. No take backs. Ever. The only exception is a false ban, and that rarely happens. People can change, yes- but you cannot run from consequences. If a person is being abused, they shouldn't be taking it out on others. You have the power to type whatever you want and press ENTER. You also have the power to not do that.

You do realize exactly how long the course of a year is right... The average videogame doesn't ban an account for toxicity, let alone permanently. Im glad riot does, however, I dont think a ban exceeding a year is necessary.

Just because its currently called permanent, doesnt mean its a good thing. Some of us who came from around the beginning of season 2 got very used to being toxic in game, because it was a commonality. Not that it was a good thing, its just that habits were formed, and they are possible to break.

BdDiabl0Feb 5, 20163 votes

Been playing for ever, the community was so toxic when i first started playing. The community has calmed down but there is still so much passive aggressive comments that are meant to piss people off its not even funny. Then you have trolls, that can go 0 13 and intentionally feed by running into towers over and over again, and the people on these forums will scold you for calling them an idiot. Then they will suggest that he was probably having a bad game like they were there and watched it. Dunno man arguing with the people on this forum is exhausting, they are on these forums just to increase their up votes. People don't speak the full truth because when you go against the grain and say that riot needs to change this or, that is flawed, they down vote your comment no matter how right you are. They even down vote people that say, "well you were wrong, but i can see why you called him an idiot." Its kinda pointless to even bring your views here because its a small group of league players that even come to this forum and most of them repeat the same message except they rephrase it. They just want upvotes.

CrisisEchoesFeb 5, 20161 votes

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Been playing for ever, the community was so toxic when i first started playing. The community has calmed down but there is still so much passive aggressive comments that are meant to piss people off its not even funny. Then you have trolls, that can go 0 13 and intentionally feed by running into towers over and over again, and the people on these forums will scold you for calling them an idiot. Then they will suggest that he was probably having a bad game like they were there and watched it. Dunno man arguing with the people on this forum is exhausting, they are on these forums just to increase their up votes. People don't speak the full truth because when you go against the grain and say that riot needs to change this or, that is flawed, they down vote your comment no matter how right you are. They even down vote people that say, "well you were wrong, but i can see why you called him an idiot." Its kinda pointless to even bring your views here because its a small group of league players that even come to this forum and most of them repeat the same message except they rephrase it. They just want upvotes.

Yeah, I don't really care about league players reading this, I just hope the off chance a rioter is around and catches a glimpse of my proposition... Eh youre right its probably a waste of time. Downvotes mean very little to me, theres a tun of circlejerks on this forums especially towards permas, im not sure honestly why people are so pro permabans. Nobody I know irl agrees with a perma in the first place. Just seems like a high concentration in player behavioral.

Youre probably getting downvote botted as we speak XD

JorenciceFeb 5, 20161 votes

See everyone I know IRL belives in permas.

Your freinds must just be toxic.

MasterSomethingFeb 5, 20161 votes

Yeahuh. When were you permabanned, Mr. Salt? I couldn't give a fuck about upvotes- I just enjoy laughing at idiots.

BdDiabl0Feb 5, 20162 votes

Wasn't per-ma banned but nice try. I understand its hard to click my name and look at my previous posts. But yea pretty much what u just replied to my post, was worst for what i got suspended for.

CrisisEchoesFeb 5, 20161 votes

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Wasn't per-ma banned but nice try. I understand its hard to click my name and look at my previous posts. But yea pretty much what u just replied to my post, was worst for what i got suspended for.

Not to mention the diamond icon... its pretty hard to get to diamond holding high levels of toxicity id guess.

BdDiabl0Feb 5, 20161 votes

Like i said Im not toxic, i got banned because i asked for trolls to be reported which is a major sin i guess.

MasterSomethingFeb 5, 20162 votes

A year ban is more or less the same as a permanent- you just get your account back. What's to stop a person from playing on smurfs the whole year and buy nothing, then immediately get on their account again? It's Riot's punishment system- The Permanent ban means you either fucked up REALLY badly or you were constantly being a "yappy dog" that wouldn't shut up no matter how many times you sprayed it or hit it on the nose. Riot wanted to break that reputation they had to attract newer players to the game.

CrisisEchoesFeb 5, 20162 votes

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A year ban is more or less the same as a permanent- you just get your account back. What's to stop a person from playing on smurfs the whole year and buy nothing, then immediately get on their account again? It's Riot's punishment system- The Permanent ban means you either fucked up REALLY badly or you were constantly being a "yappy dog" that wouldn't shut up no matter how many times you sprayed it or hit it on the nose. Riot wanted to break that reputation they had to attract newer players to the game.

The thing is, If they revoked a permaban after a year, they could leave the account at the max toxicity tier, so it instantly gets banned again after a slip up. The automated system is super fast at catching it.

MasterSomethingFeb 5, 20162 votes

Yea, but there could always be that one guy who just makes another toxic game. I understand you know people can change, but if they brought themselves to a permanent ban, then they have to live with the consequences whether they like it or not.

KrugLyfeFeb 5, 20161 votes

Can't you get back on after 1,000 years?

MasterSomethingFeb 5, 20161 votes

Nope. Doesn't matter if you became 100% Paragon.

Bag o CatsFeb 5, 20164 votes

I remember that Riot tried a system a few years back that gave permabanned players a shot at getting their account back. It was called the 'level 20 challenge'. Basically, if a toxic player could level an account up to 20 without hitting the tribunal even once, they were supposed to get their permabanned account back. Supposedly the amount of players that reformed out of the ones that were picked was roughly 5%. It seems highly unlikely that they would attempt a similar program when the results the first time around were so miserable. Unless they feel like chancing it again, your permanent ban is exactly as it reads; permanent.

If you want to do some more research on this past system of theirs, I'd recommend doing a search for 'Level 20 Challenge'. You can also take a look at this link and skip down to number 33. http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/75596-tribunal-faq-updated-18-06

HorusEyeFeb 5, 20162 votes

Then that's not what "perma-" means at all.

CrisisEchoesFeb 5, 20161 votes

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Then that's not what "perma-" means at all.

Perhaps you should read the post a bit closer before making something silly like this. I know what permanent means, however, even permanent things have appeals often.

HorusEyeFeb 5, 20163 votes

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Perhaps you should read the post a bit closer before making something silly like this. I know what permanent means, however, even permanent things have appeals often.

There's no need to appeal for a permabanned account to be unbanned when the person never changed his attitude after receiving 2 chat restrictions & a 14 days ban. This is already showing a big-ass red light that this person needs to go.

CrisisEchoesFeb 5, 20161 votes

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There's no need to appeal for a permabanned account to be unbanned when the person never changed his attitude after receiving 2 chat restrictions & a 14 days ban. This is already showing a big-ass red light that this person needs to go.

That tier thing is relatively new. Its silly to permaban someone thats been playing since season 2 over it, without giving them a final chance warning that riots finally getting serious about it, not to mention a 6 month ban being long as shit. Season 2, the norm was toxicity. Im not saying it was a good thing, its just habit creating. Habits can be broken. This accounts been around 5-6 months and hasnt had a chat restriction. Youre wrong.

HorusEyeFeb 5, 20161 votes

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That tier thing is relatively new. Its silly to permaban someone thats been playing since season 2 over it, without giving them a final chance warning that riots finally getting serious about it. Season 2, the norm was toxicity. Im not saying it was a good thing, its just habit creating. Habits can be broken. This accounts been around 5-6 months and hasnt had a chat restriction. Youre wrong.

A person getting a 14 days suspension is already a final warning that he will be permabanned if he continues with his toxic behavior. Plus, having a long history of playing since Season 2 doesn't really mean anything, as every player (who started playing Lol in early/mid/late Seasons) should receive equal punishments. No exceptions. Even Dunkey received a fair punishment, despite having a long history of LoL games with him.

CrisisEchoesFeb 5, 20161 votes

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A person getting a 14 days suspension is already a final warning that he will be permabanned if he continues with his toxic behavior. Plus, having a long history of playing since Season 2 doesn't really mean anything, as every player (who started playing Lol in early/mid/late Seasons) should receive equal punishments. No exceptions. Even Dunkey received a fair punishment, despite having a long history of LoL games with him.

Guess we have a difference in opinion. Good luck to you.

Awkward CouchFeb 5, 20161 votes

Well, I commend you for turning yourself around.

What I don't understand (this doesn't have much to do with your specific request but it kind of relates) why Riot is inconsistent with permabans. Jensen or Incarnati0n had a history of DDOS attacks in League. All of his accounts were supposed to be closed on sight (http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1122163 ) Then suddenly 2 years later he's in the LCS? I mean if you're going to make a permaban account ruling like that, stick to it. Just because they are at the top of the latter doesn't mean they should get special treatment.

Sorry this doesn't directly relate to your request, but I just wanted to get it out there.

KrugLyfeFeb 5, 20161 votes

Ok I don't like to use foul language in my posts but what the fuck? Jensen and Incarnation ddosd people and they didn't get perma banned? That's complete bullshit if it's true.

Awkward CouchFeb 5, 20162 votes

Incarnation changed his IGN to Jenson. Just FYI. Ha ha. He was supposed to have all of his accounts banned on sight but was somehow able to rehabilitate and is now able to play in the LCS. I don't understand why he gets a shot of redemption while others don't even get a straight answer as to why they were banned. They should make it consistent.

KrugLyfeFeb 5, 20161 votes

Oh wow just goes to show riot doesn't give a flying poop about their non professional players.

Awkward CouchFeb 5, 20161 votes

Well to be fair, he didn't get his accounts back, he was just able to play again. And he wasn't eligable for the LCS at the time of his ban. It does seem that they do show a favoritism to Diamond + players though.

CrisisEchoesFeb 5, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bag o Cats,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6s25AxRU,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-02-05T07:47:59.201+0000)

I remember that Riot tried a system a few years back that gave permabanned players a shot at getting their account back. It was called the 'level 20 challenge'. Basically, if a toxic player could level an account up to 20 without hitting the tribunal even once, they were supposed to get their permabanned account back. Supposedly the amount of players that actually. It seems highly unlikely that they would attempt a similar program when the results the first time around were so miserable. Unless they feel like chancing it again, your permanent ban is exactly as it reads; permanent.

If you want to do some more research on this past system of theirs, I'd recommend doing a search for 'Level 20 Challenge'. You can also take a look at this link and skip down to number 33. http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/75596-tribunal-faq-updated-18-06

Yeah, They havent attempted it in a long time, and Im adding a lieu that they only allow people that have been banned for atleast 6 months, maby even a year, to get the chance. I know its permanent, I just wanna get some communication on a rioters side on the idea.

[{quoted}](name=Awkward Couch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6s25AxRU,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-02-05T07:49:12.251+0000)

Well, I commend you for turning yourself around.

What I don't understand (this doesn't have much to do with your specific request but it kind of relates) why Riot is inconsistent with permabans. Jensen or Incarnati0n had a history of DDOS attacks in League. All of his accounts were supposed to be closed on sight (http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1122163) Then suddenly 2 years later he's in the LCS? I mean if you're going to make a permaban account ruling like that, stick to it. Just because they are at the top of the latter doesn't mean they should get special treatment.

Sorry this doesn't directly relate to your request, but I just wanted to get it out there.

Im aware of jensen, he didnt get his permabanned accounts back, he was allowed to make a new account. Rito let him. Thanks for the support, toxicity is like drugs XD its addicting.(jk ofc)

ZombiemasterFeb 5, 20161 votes

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Yeah, They havent attempted it in a long time, and Im adding a lieu that they only allow people that have been banned for atleast 6 months, maby even a year, to get the chance. I know its permanent, I just wanna get some communication on a rioters side on the idea.

Well, the thing about the level 20 challenge is back when they did do it, they didn't just let anyone attempt to do it. Riot hand picked players that they believed had the best shot of completing the challenge, and even then the success rate was incredibly low.

Because of how the level 20 challenge went, it is very, very unlikely that they will do anything that allows players to get back their permanently banned accounts.

GamblerOfLivesFeb 5, 20161 votes

I agree with you man;)..Riot says, the comunity doesn;t want you back..which means, that the comunity should have the power to bring you back;)

FrankerXFeb 5, 20161 votes

i think this is a funny idea. i mean imagine this: the typical guy who wishes everyone cancer and thinks he is allowed to because yea he is such a good player and his mates are so bad. so he gets his account banned for 1 year and is waiting this whole year to play again. so the year is over he is totally hyped! he plays 2 games spamms cancer again and gets his account permabanned. imagine how mad he must be hilarious :D

TheSequelsRBadFeb 5, 20161 votes

Eh, it could work, and I like your idea of returned permaban accounts starting at the highest toxicity rank.

The problem with all these posts, is while people may come out with good ideas that could legitimately work, I honestly don't really think Riot pays attentions,or really cares. They hire professionals to set up this system, and while I like Riot, and I am thankful to them for this awesome game. They don't seem like the company to throw out their plan for some random post on the forums, if such a company even exists.

The Queen ViperFeb 5, 20161 votes

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Riot should allow a permabanned player to appeal the ban after a year passes, through support. Perhaps undergo an evaluation of some kind. I understand that the things said to get to a permanent ban are usually horrific, however, a lot can change in a years time. People mature, things in their life can change

You can do that already... by CREATING ANOTHER ACCOUNT. It's also free.

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Yes I have been permabanned before...

Well of course you are. Only people like you would create such a retarded thread.

CrisisEchoesFeb 8, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snake on bush,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6s25AxRU,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-02-05T14:37:58.428+0000)

You can do that already... by CREATING ANOTHER ACCOUNT. It's also free.

Well of course you are. Only people like you would create such a retarded thread.

KK faker wannabe.

FaceplowFeb 5, 20161 votes

I just fail to see the reason behind this lol. In a years time, I could have another account to 30, unlocked all the champs, runes, rune pages and even probably acquired a few skins.

Am I missing something?