I find it strange

This Is Your Dad··11 votes·866 views

I find it strange that people hurling death threats at random people and calling people obscene names in response to a tactical dispute in game would say that the people that don't want to put up with that kind of behavior are oversensitive snowflakes. I mean, it's the social equivalency of me walking by you and bumping you on the shoulder on accident, and you deciding to follow me to my house and set it on fire, on purpose, and then calling me oversensitive because I reported it to the police. Then your rationale dictates that the proper response should have been to go to your house and burn it down too, and then shoot your dog just to assert my dominance over you. I mean really, who's the oversensitive person?

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MisterSki2 votes

This is a false equivalency...

This Is Your Dad2 votes

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This is a false equivalency...

Then tell me, what is the appropriate, logical response to a misplay in which you respond by telling me to kill myself and my entire family and shoot up my school? What is the logical response to telling me I'm adopted or autistic? How is that kind of behavior rational? How can one respond to irrational behavior that would satisfy the instigator in a way that maintains a grasp on reality?

MisterSki3 votes

I am not saying that it is but, man it's online shit from a person you will never meet. Equating that to ACTUAL atrocities is intellectually dishonest.

This Is Your Dad3 votes

{quoted}

I am not saying that it is but, man it's online shit from a person you will never meet. Equating that to ACTUAL atrocities is intellectually dishonest.

So you suggest ignoring/ muting a person who is instigating the behavior, which is logical. However, it does not actually address the behavior itself. In real terms: Suppose you meet a very vulgar, violent person who commits a crime. The social equivalency to jailing a criminal would be muting chat in game. Now, that addresses the problem, but in a way that does not create a solution. The person is now in jail. What gains are to be had from jailing over half the community? They no longer contribute positively to the environment they inhabit. They are simply bad people. Now instead of jailing our population, would it not be more profitable to reform them, creating a more consistent marketability for the entire community to utilize? In other words, would it not be better to put a drug addict or overly-aggressive, behaviorally challenged individual through rehabilitation and then release him back into society, so that the community can appreciate his contributions, and so that the violent offender can now come to understand that he had an issue that needed to be addressed, wherein he became a much more content individual?

MisterSki1 votes

You are still drawing lines from online bullshit to real world issues... This is a game that has created a hyper-competitive atmosphere in which winning is rewarded and nothing else you do matters. So unless you change how the game rewards its players you won't be able to treat the cause of toxicity.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

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You are still drawing lines from online bullshit to real world issues... This is a game that has created a hyper-competitive atmosphere in which winning is rewarded and nothing else you do matters. So unless you change how the game rewards its players you won't be able to treat the cause of toxicity.

Okay, so if winning is the only thing that matters, then why do players "competitively" tell their teammates to kill themselves? Generally the emotional response to this situation is to stop trying to win. If it were strictly a competitive response, then mute and continue playing would be appropriate, but that doesn't address the fallacy in the emotionally charged antagonistic attack on the individual. I don't care if you tell me I suck with a champion, that I can't play a role, or that I deserve bronze 5. All of those comments pertain to the game at hand. Telling someone they're autistic or that they need to kill themselves is, as you put it "still drawing lines from online bullshit to real world issues".

MisterSki1 votes

When people rage at teammates it is normally because they are doing poorly or the person at which they are raging is doing poorly. People have to rely on their team to play well in order to win. This creates a hyper-competitive mentality that makes people mad and they need a way to relieve that anger. I am not saying it is okay to say those things but you are complaining about a symptom while ignoring the disease.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

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When people rage at teammates it is normally because they are doing poorly or the person at which they are raging is doing poorly. People have to rely on their team to play well in order to win. This creates a hyper-competitive mentality that makes people mad and they need a way to relieve that anger. I am not saying it is okay to say those things but you are complaining about a symptom while ignoring the disease.

What is the disease? Doing poorly? I totally get where you're coming from if you mean sitting through 20+ minutes of complete bs because one or more of your teammates has you stuck in a descending opportunity to win. I just think there needs to be a line drawn because all people of all ages play this game, and so telling a 7-8 year old kid to kill himself if league is his only outlet just isn't appropriate. At the same time, I've told my adc that he was csing poorly and he started raging at me and feeding on purpose. Reactivity comes in varying levels, but a logical, humane approach would be to avoid racial slurs, death threats and homophobic or sexist slang simply because it's not a form of communication.

MisterSki1 votes

It is how the game is set up. It ONLY rewards you for winning. I will break down how this is true so we can gain a better understanding.

  1. You can only get a higher MMR by winning
  2. You get more IP for winning than losing
  3. You need a first WIN of the day not a first game of the day
  4. You can only get keyfragments in games you WIN
  5. You can ONLY gain LP by winning
  6. Ranked rewards are given out based on winning not who played the most or who has the better stats. There is a stats screen at the end of every match but it is irrelevant because the only thing that matters is if it says victory or defeat in the upper left-hand corner. This makes the game hyper-competitive and makes people rage when they are losing. Reward good players for being good players not simply because they win.
This Is Your Dad1 votes

{quoted}

It is how the game is set up. It ONLY rewards you for winning. I will break down how this is true so we can gain a better understanding.

  1. You can only get a higher MMR by winning
  2. You get more IP for winning than losing
  3. You need a first WIN of the day not a first game of the day
  4. You can only get keyfragments in games you WIN
  5. You can ONLY gain LP by winning
  6. Ranked rewards are given out based on winning not who played the most or who has the better stats. There is a stats screen at the end of every match but it is irrelevant because the only thing that matters is if it says victory or defeat in the upper left-hand corner. This makes the game hyper-competitive and makes people rage when they are losing. Reward good players for being good players not simply because they win.

I think that expanding the honor system would be a good change of pace for riot. You can now win rewards (non-gamechanging) for being friendly, helpful, showing teamwork and never giving up (honorable opponent) but a player is limited to a certain amount of honor and before rewards are handed out a manual review of the person's season behaviors would occur. A player must honor 1 person every 5 matches, and can only honor 1 person for each match. Other than that idea, I got nothin'.

MisterSki1 votes

Using stats to affect how people are ranked would be nice too. You can use cs, kda, healing, damage done, kp%, wards and all the other nice stuff on the stats screen.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

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Using stats to affect how people are ranked would be nice too. You can use cs, kda, healing, damage done, kp%, wards and all the other nice stuff on the stats screen.

Maybe averages, and not for the actual rank, but who you're paired up with each match would be great. It might cause a huge balance issue in the long run though.

MisterSki1 votes

At least it would match people that play to win with people that play to win and while mismatches would occur I don't think it is any different than what occurs now.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

{quoted}

At least it would match people that play to win with people that play to win and while mismatches would occur I don't think it is any different than what occurs now.

It might be good to pair up a couple bad kda/whatever stats on each team to get them into a game but make it even?

MisterSki1 votes

The only way would be if it were the same number of bad players on both teams. Too often it is mismatched where they have 3 feeders on one team and 1 on the other.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

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The only way would be if it were the same number of bad players on both teams. Too often it is mismatched where they have 3 feeders on one team and 1 on the other.

It does get complicated when say, top has to pick before the enemy top lane and gets countered hard. I've been tower dived from 0 deaths to 5 before in extremely bad matchups with enemy jungler and midlane interference

This Is Your Dad1 votes

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The only way would be if it were the same number of bad players on both teams. Too often it is mismatched where they have 3 feeders on one team and 1 on the other.

Or even when your team feeds like hell and you're 2/2 or something and then the whole enemy team decides to pay top a visit and whammmmo your kda goes to shit.

MisterSki1 votes

Yeah but you could always lane swap away from it or give up some pressure to help elsewhere.

aZ3R0n1 votes

{quoted}

Reward good players for being good players not simply because they win.

Mastery 6 and 7.

MisterSki1 votes

That isn't a reward.... You have to have champion shard/IP in order to even unlock it.

aZ3R0n2 votes

You said above that you would like players to be rewarded for their performance in a match besides the win/loss outcome. Your team can lose horribly, but you can still get mastery tokens if you did exceedingly well. It rewards players for performing well on champions they dedicate themselves to.

Also, by getting S- rank or better, you can earn Hextech Chests regardless of whether you win or lose. Therefore, there is always an incentive to play your best.

MisterSki1 votes

That isn't a reward that matters. So you are champ mastery 7 on 20 champions. If you are in bronze nobody cares what your champ mastery is. In addition if somebody sees a champ mastery 7 player and they don't perform at the level they deem acceptable you will just get flamed. It's a weak compensation point at best and a stupid money making ploy at worst. You can only earn key fragments in wins. So have 20 hextec chests but they do you no good without keys to open them. Better use that RP for keys... Hence MONEY MAKING PLOY....

TheOGAfksorry1 votes

Agreed

MisterSki1 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

BLACK REALM GOD3 votes

umm... im sorry that you think the people you meet online are from a fictional world and that your computer is a gateway to a magical wonderland of AI. there's literally nothing different from telling someone you want them to die over the internet and calling someone's home and telling them you want them to die. the distance doesnt matter. intent to do harm is of course worse, but that doesnt mean that you should be allowed to get away with criminal activity just because you dont understand the effects of mental anguish. Beyond that harassment is a crime and is considered highly punishable in some areas. The only reason why a lot of harassment goes unpunished is because people DONT stand up for themselves, crimes are committed INTERNATIONALLY, and in the event of two people arguing both would end up getting reprimanded.

  • mental anguish

n. mental suffering which includes fright, feelings of distress, anxiety, depression, grief and/or psychosomatic physical symptoms. It is distinguished from physical pain due to an injury, but it may be considered in awarding damages for physical injury due to a defendant's negligence or intentionally inflicting harm. Where there is no physical injury damages can still be awarded for mental anguish if it is reasonable to presume such would naturally flow from the incident. Examples: holding a pistol to one's head, any threat of bodily harm when it appears it could be carried out, swinging with a scythe even though the assailant missed, or witnessing injury or death to a loved one. There are also situations in which the obvious result of the alleged wrongdoing would be mental distress due to embarrassment or reputation through libel, and therefore damages can be awarded to the distressed party. However, there are limits: in general, breach of contract judgments cannot include damages for mental anguish due to the loss of a deal or employment. But then there is the case of the shop which failed to deliver the bridal gown in time for the wedding---mental anguish flows naturally (along with the bride's tears) from such a breach. (See: damages, mental suffering)


  • an example of a law against harassment

The following is an example of a state law dealing with harassment:

"S 240.25 Harassment in the first degree.

A person is guilty of harassment in the first degree when he or she intentionally and repeatedly harasses another person by following such person in or about a public place or places or by engaging in a course of conduct or by repeatedly committing acts which places such person in reasonable fear of physical injury. This section shall not apply to activities regulated by the national labor relations act, as amended, the railway labor act, as amended, or the federal employment labor management act, as amended.

Harassment in the first degree is a class B misdemeanor.

S 240.26 Harassment in the second degree.

A person is guilty of harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person:

He or she strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects such other person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same; or
He or she follows a person in or about a public place or places; or
He or she engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose.

Subdivisions two and three of this section shall not apply to activities regulated by the national labor relations act, as amended, the railway labor act, as amended, or the federal employment labor management act, as amended.

Harassment in the second degree is a violation.

S 240.30 Aggravated harassment in the second degree.

A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, he or she:

Either (a) communicates with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or (b) causes a communication to be initiated by mechanical or electronic means or otherwise with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or
Makes a telephone call, whether or not a conversation ensues, with no purpose of legitimate communication; or
Strikes, shoves, kicks, or otherwise subjects another person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same because of a belief or perception regarding such person`s race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct; or
Commits the crime of harassment in the first degree and has previously been convicted of the crime of harassment in the first degree as defined by section 240.25 of this article within the preceding ten years.

Aggravated harassment in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

S 240.31 Aggravated harassment in the first degree.

A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the first degree when with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, because of a belief or perception regarding such person`s race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct, he or she:

Damages premises primarily used for religious purposes, or acquired pursuant to section six of the religious corporation law and maintained for purposes of religious instruction, and the damage to the premises exceeds fifty dollars; or
Commits the crime of aggravated harassment in the second degree in the manner proscribed by the provisions of subdivision three of section 240.30 of this article and has been previously convicted of the crime of aggravated harassment in the second degree for the commission of conduct proscribed by the provisions of subdivision three of section 240.30 or he has been previously convicted of the crime of aggravated harassment in the first degree within the preceding ten years.

Aggravated harassment in the first degree is a class E felony.

S 240.32 Aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate.

An inmate or respondent is guilty of aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm a person in a facility whom he knows or reasonably should know to be an employee of such facility or the division of parole or the office of mental health, or a probation department, bureau or unit or a police officer, he causes or attempts to cause such employee to come into contact with blood, seminal fluid, urine or feces, by throwing, tossing or expelling such fluid or material.

For purposes of this section, "inmate" means an inmate or detainee in a correctional facility, local correctional facility or a hospital, as such term is defined in subdivision two of section four hundred of the correction law. For purposes of this section, "respondent" means a juvenile in a secure facility operated and maintained by the office of children and family services who is placed with or committed to the office of children and family services. For purposes of this section, "facility" means a correctional facility or local correctional facility, hospital, as such term is defined in subdivision two of section four hundred of the correction law, or a secure facility operated and maintained by the office of children and family services.

Aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate is a class E felony."

This Is Your Dad2 votes

[{quoted}](name=BLACK REALM GOD,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6j6oHmV1,comment-id=0000000000000002,timestamp=2017-04-11T01:53:24.471+0000)

umm... im sorry that you think the people you meet online are from a fictional world and that your computer is a gateway to a magical wonderland of AI. there's literally nothing different from telling someone you want them to die over the internet and calling someone's home and telling them you want them to die. the distance doesnt matter. intent to do harm is of course worse, but that doesnt mean that you should be allowed to get away with criminal activity just because you dont understand the effects of mental anguish. Beyond that harassment is a crime and is considered highly punishable in some areas. The only reason why a lot of harassment goes unpunished is because people DONT stand up for themselves, crimes are committed INTERNATIONALLY, and in the event of two people arguing both would end up getting reprimanded.

  • mental anguish

n. mental suffering which includes fright, feelings of distress, anxiety, depression, grief and/or psychosomatic physical symptoms. It is distinguished from physical pain due to an injury, but it may be considered in awarding damages for physical injury due to a defendant's negligence or intentionally inflicting harm. Where there is no physical injury damages can still be awarded for mental anguish if it is reasonable to presume such would naturally flow from the incident. Examples: holding a pistol to one's head, any threat of bodily harm when it appears it could be carried out, swinging with a scythe even though the assailant missed, or witnessing injury or death to a loved one. There are also situations in which the obvious result of the alleged wrongdoing would be mental distress due to embarrassment or reputation through libel, and therefore damages can be awarded to the distressed party. However, there are limits: in general, breach of contract judgments cannot include damages for mental anguish due to the loss of a deal or employment. But then there is the case of the shop which failed to deliver the bridal gown in time for the wedding---mental anguish flows naturally (along with the bride's tears) from such a breach. (See: damages, mental suffering)


  • an example of a law against harassment

The following is an example of a state law dealing with harassment:

"S 240.25 Harassment in the first degree.

A person is guilty of harassment in the first degree when he or she intentionally and repeatedly harasses another person by following such person in or about a public place or places or by engaging in a course of conduct or by repeatedly committing acts which places such person in reasonable fear of physical injury. This section shall not apply to activities regulated by the national labor relations act, as amended, the railway labor act, as amended, or the federal employment labor management act, as amended.

Harassment in the first degree is a class B misdemeanor.

S 240.26 Harassment in the second degree.

A person is guilty of harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person:

He or she strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects such other person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same; or
He or she follows a person in or about a public place or places; or
He or she engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose.

Subdivisions two and three of this section shall not apply to activities regulated by the national labor relations act, as amended, the railway labor act, as amended, or the federal employment labor management act, as amended.

Harassment in the second degree is a violation.

S 240.30 Aggravated harassment in the second degree.

A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, he or she:

Either (a) communicates with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or (b) causes a communication to be initiated by mechanical or electronic means or otherwise with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or
Makes a telephone call, whether or not a conversation ensues, with no purpose of legitimate communication; or
Strikes, shoves, kicks, or otherwise subjects another person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same because of a belief or perception regarding such person`s race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct; or
Commits the crime of harassment in the first degree and has previously been convicted of the crime of harassment in the first degree as defined by section 240.25 of this article within the preceding ten years.

Aggravated harassment in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

S 240.31 Aggravated harassment in the first degree.

A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the first degree when with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, because of a belief or perception regarding such person`s race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct, he or she:

Damages premises primarily used for religious purposes, or acquired pursuant to section six of the religious corporation law and maintained for purposes of religious instruction, and the damage to the premises exceeds fifty dollars; or
Commits the crime of aggravated harassment in the second degree in the manner proscribed by the provisions of subdivision three of section 240.30 of this article and has been previously convicted of the crime of aggravated harassment in the second degree for the commission of conduct proscribed by the provisions of subdivision three of section 240.30 or he has been previously convicted of the crime of aggravated harassment in the first degree within the preceding ten years.

Aggravated harassment in the first degree is a class E felony.

S 240.32 Aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate.

An inmate or respondent is guilty of aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm a person in a facility whom he knows or reasonably should know to be an employee of such facility or the division of parole or the office of mental health, or a probation department, bureau or unit or a police officer, he causes or attempts to cause such employee to come into contact with blood, seminal fluid, urine or feces, by throwing, tossing or expelling such fluid or material.

For purposes of this section, "inmate" means an inmate or detainee in a correctional facility, local correctional facility or a hospital, as such term is defined in subdivision two of section four hundred of the correction law. For purposes of this section, "respondent" means a juvenile in a secure facility operated and maintained by the office of children and family services who is placed with or committed to the office of children and family services. For purposes of this section, "facility" means a correctional facility or local correctional facility, hospital, as such term is defined in subdivision two of section four hundred of the correction law, or a secure facility operated and maintained by the office of children and family services.

Aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate is a class E felony."

Wow you sure posted a forest there. I'll rummage through it when not in a game :P

lemon tiddies1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6j6oHmV1,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-04-11T00:23:34.875+0000)

Then tell me, what is the appropriate, logical response to a misplay in which you respond by telling me to kill myself and my entire family and shoot up my school? What is the logical response to telling me I'm adopted or autistic? How is that kind of behavior rational? How can one respond to irrational behavior that would satisfy the instigator in a way that maintains a grasp on reality?

Muting the person that said it is the real way, or just knowing those things aren't true and the people are dumb as shit. That seems to work for me.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

{quoted}

Muting the person that said it is the real way, or just knowing those things aren't true and the people are dumb as shit. That seems to work for me.

There was a time when permachat restrictions were in play and they found that since they were being ignored they would troll in other ways.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

The vast oversensitivity of this community can more accurately be seen by calling an 0/10 or worse player "bad". Sure, your example may not exactly mean people are sensitive, but the reactions you get from calling someone "bad" prove otherwise, as does the fact that Riot will permaban you for it.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Big Piece,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6j6oHmV1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-11T01:02:30.028+0000)

The vast oversensitivity of this community can more accurately be seen by calling an 0/10 or worse player "bad". Sure, your example may not exactly mean people are sensitive, but the reactions you get from calling someone "bad" prove otherwise, as does the fact that Riot will permaban you for it.

I'm not entirely sure that's accurate, because many of the players coming to the boards about their permabans say "All I did was call him bad and you banned me wtf" but then the chat log is like $%@&%$&# &^#%&$R%^^^$%^@&$%^^%%@%$^&%&*
That being said, I do get upset at players and sometimes I call them bad when they start getting on my nerves. I can only hear an enemy is legendary 12 times mid lane before I just want to cry. No bans yet.

Telephone Booth1 votes

Welcome to online gaming. You never know who these people are. Do you think 12 year old boys are rational, logical people? I sure wasn't when I was 12. If course it's strange, but all I can say is; get used to it. Don't try to rationalize it... it's purely irrational behavior because they just want to piss you off and deflect.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6j6oHmV1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-04-11T01:44:05.215+0000)

Welcome to online gaming. You never know who these people are. Do you think 12 year old boys are rational, logical people? I sure wasn't when I was 12. If course it's strange, but all I can say is; get used to it. Don't try to rationalize it... it's purely irrational behavior because they just want to piss you off and deflect.

Well I mean, I agree that people shouldn't get offended rationally, but it doesn't detract from banning them from the game as annoying flies. If a fly bugs me, I swat it. I don't get mad at them, I just report them after the game. The question is whether they deserve to be punished. I don't see any issue with banning players that are trying to piss everyone off anyway.

Snowplosion1 votes

I would equate it to me bumping into you, and then you beat the merciless shit out of me and followed by home to spit on me, then getting mad when I filed for a restraining order. You're comparison seems a bit extreme. I get the point, though.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

{quoted}

I would equate it to me bumping into you, and then you beat the merciless shit out of me and followed by home to spit on me, then getting mad when I filed for a restraining order. You're comparison seems a bit extreme. I get the point, though.

I like extremes, they're colorfully effective.

Stufftough1 votes

Eye for an Eye everyone ends up blind. Take the chat out of the game Rito it's not necessary.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

{quoted}

Eye for an Eye everyone ends up blind. Take the chat out of the game Rito it's not necessary.

I think it's a nice thing to have to joke around with people in. I love chat in aram, friendly and fun.

Hexs Fortune1 votes

The same people calling others sensitive, lose their mind when they are the ones under fire.

"It's all fun and games until it affects me" syndrome

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