GG we lost and let me remind you all game

This Is Your Dad·Oct 16, 2017·54 votes·2,166 views

These kinds of players that get mad over a regular pick irritate me. Someone picked vayne adc, and the support spent the entire god damn game going on about how we lost because his adc picked vayne. I can get someone getting mad at say, darius or amumu adc, but a regular marksman that actually is an adc is no reason to throw the game. They support ended 0/7/7 and left his adc at 5 minutes after dying twice to roam. What's even more annoying is the adc had preselected vayne, and the support said nothing until after the lock in. Then he claims he wasn't raging because being passive aggressive isn't raging. His response was "words don't lose games" and I disagree, mood is everything.

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OnlyYouCanHearMeOct 16, 201718 votes

You are not the only one who disagrees. Statistical studies disagree. And the numbers on how "tilt" affects games don't lie. There's a reason why Riot has a report category for having a negative attitude, when a player gives up and begins to say things like this throughout the game. I've always believed, and this is just my opinion, that the category for "negative attitude" is not intended for players who look at a match at 19:45 and see a team that is losing 3 kills to 30 kills, with 2 inhibitors down and the enemy team just took baron, and then decide to start a vote for surrender. That to me, is not "giving up." That's just making an assessment on the chances of whether you can feasibly win the match. They may, or may not, be right. Anything can happen, the enemy team could have a massive throw, but if the team decides that they would rather just not slog it out and would prefer to start fresh on a new match, then I'm not going to hold that against someone.

But someone like the support you mentioned, who decides to start complaining the moment someone locks in a champion? That to me is why that category is in place. Because not only are they displaying such overwhelming negativity, they have given up any hope of winning the match before they even spawn in, and what's worse, they are doing everything in their power to bring the rest of the team down with them. And that's the really sad thing. Because it could have been a completely winnable match, had they not done that. Who's to say that you didn't have some really amazing players on your team? But things like that disheartens players, it will make them doubt their own skills and their calls, and it will make them want to get out of the match ASAP just to get away from the whiner. It sure makes me want to. Even when I mute that person, I still want to get the heck out of that match, win or lose.

This Is Your DadOct 17, 20174 votes

I totally agree, if the game has gone on for a while and you're not doing well, it's understandable to be a bit negative, we all have those games. Even at the end the Bard said "See, I told you we would lose because we have a Vayne adc". No, no we lost because you told our team we would lose for 20 straight minutes. As for the guy above saying "mute them" I cannot mute the support for other players. Thus because some people refuse to mute I still suffer the ramifications of a toxic teammate. And toxicity spreads too. Our top laner started saying GG and blaming Vayne, for no reason other than because Bard had lost his lane so bad from refusing to play correctly that he shifted the blame onto Vayne because it is customary to blame the adc. If in 20 minutes the score was looking sour I would understand, but Bard was the one that started "feeding" and based on his gameplay, he was doing it to die and blame Vayne for it. HE purposefully walked into the enemy team and then ran back and died when Vayne was just trying to farm under her tower, just so he could be passive aggressive about how if the person had picked a real adc, he would have lived. It's just so strange that people self-mutilate to hurt their teammates sometimes.

BabygirlsDaddyOct 17, 20174 votes

I was in a game last week where this exact thing happened. I was top lane, my other friend was adc, our support banned Jhin (whom my friend wanted to use), and chose bard. Then wondered why my friend was cursing him out, and proceeded to lose our match with no less than 18 deaths (possibly more, that was just when I checked). But the entire game he blamed my friend for being a horrible adc, would roam and feed other lanes, walk under towers, into the enemy team. And all the while would tell us to not report him because "Maybe I'm just not a good player", needless to say he got punished after that game.

And I personally believe situations like that are BS. you blatantly ban a champ whom your teammate obviously wanted to use (without an apology no-less), thus annoying them before the game even starts, then you feed, whine, and complain to throw the game and blame it on you not being a "good player". You don't do and say things like that because you are a 'bad player', you do that because you are a "Horrible person", and want to mess with people who are just trying to have a regular game and enjoy themselves.

[slayer-jinx-unamused] [slayer-jinx-unamused] [slayer-jinx-unamused] [slayer-jinx-unamused]

GGLineaROct 17, 20175 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=83QTGAve,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-10-16T21:37:30.140+0000) words don't lose games

Nah, hes right. Words dont lose games.

But dying 7 times and roaming all game because you didn't like the adc's pick does lose games.

What an absolute jackass. I hope you dont get stuck with someone like that again, m8.

This Is Your DadOct 17, 20177 votes

What I meant though is that battering your own team's morale could influence the game drastically. It might not offend me, but it could offend one of my teammates and I can't control my teammates' responses to being flamed or passively aggressively flamed. Sure words only hurt the people that are hurt by words, and in an ideal world we wouldn't be hurt, but at the same time the entire point of flaming someone is to.... hurt them. Which kind of makes their argument silly in my opinion. Because most of these rage posts on here go something like "Why is this community a bunch of snowflakes" and at the same time they're cursing out everyone. I mean, isn't the point of raging to hurt someone? So then you get mad when you succeed in doing so?

GGLineaROct 18, 20171 votes

I agree with you, I was just being a smartass.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

IlCapoDelSalottoOct 18, 20171 votes

Unless you're roaming well, getting kills for the other lanes, map control and objectives. In that case the adc that afk farms without saying a word or that walks away from you when you engage can have botlane all for himself.

GGLineaROct 18, 20171 votes

You just posted something that has nothing to do with this situation.

Did you even read the op? lol

Kaptain KuddlesOct 17, 20173 votes

I think a lot of people don't understand that mentality: confidence, perception and mental acuity ABSOLUTELY affect your ability to play the game. "Decision making" is a huge part of your interaction with your team, your opponent and objective control and when you are distracted by someone else or even worse, when a teammate is demoralizing you or other players while also not attempting to make good decisions they are inhibiting everyone else's ability to play.

Instead of going for that Baron call when the other team has 2 bottom, you may end up questioning the call because you're unsure what the 'toxic' player may do or how they will react, costing an objective that could solidify the win. Now I wouldn't necessarily say 'mood' is everything. I would probably replace that word with mentality but it's essentially the same concept.

Ulquiorra0123Oct 17, 20172 votes

So to preface this counterargument, I have been to every ELO except mid-high challenger. I have been in challenger twice totaling 4 days. I can tell you this, you are completely and utterly incorrect about not only that mood is everything, but the reason you lost that game. Do you know how many players get into Diamond+ being completely negative? Alot, a hell of alot.

So onto the first point here. Alot of challengers have issues in Silver, and I can tell you this, it isnt due to toxicity. There is an extreme matchmaking issue in the game currently at low elo that ends up making games unwinnable for people who have decent win rates because... reasons? I will tell you this, there are players ranging from Bronze 5 to Master tier players in the Silver - Gold ELO range. The game seems to pit itself against good players who are climbing fast, or against duos. And what I mean by this, is the enemy team will get an LCS comp, and we will get a Vayne adc. Do you know what the problem with this is? Not only does the enemy trist just outscale your vayne, but beats the vayne early. There is 0 reason to play vayne in silver unless you have god tier mechanics, which im sorry but you guys dont. Just play Trist, Kog, Twitch... Any of the three really. The more interesting fact, is that in the game you are talking about, if the adc picks Trist, its an autowin. Instead chose to pick Vayne and take a tumble into an inevitable loss provided the enemy team just plays well, which they did.

Picks matter, doesn't matter the elo, they do matter. And if you continue to pick things like Malphite and Trynd jungle, you will keep losing games.

The other problem in silver, is not the toxicity itself, but the people who cant click the mute button, that is specifically there to prevent tilt. As soon as someone is toxic in my game i just mute. It is that simple, I havent reported someone for toxicity in forever because they might just be having a bad day and need a way to vent, and if i dont want to see their text i have a button that removes it. The common trait i see in toxic players is their ability to play well while tilted. So if all 4 of you muted him the game would have went unphased. Instead you come to forums to cry because you forgot that the mute button exists.

Just keep this in mind: Just because a pick is popular in low elo, doesn't mean it is good. Mute toxic teammates or don't cry about it. There are much bigger problems than someone in your game crying their arse off about vayne being bad, like matchmaking being completely flawed, or the report system banning people for talking a bit of crap to inting teammates, or the fact you can get away with literally intentionally feeding but just say you are trying.

Execution and Skill are the two main factors of league and always will be. If you are so weak minded to be thrown off by someone crying about a champion, perhaps you should take a break from the game because clearly it is too much for you. You cannot decide that the game is lost (because someone is crying in chat), and then blame it on them, you decided it was lost :P

devdev463Oct 17, 20171 votes

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So to preface this counterargument, I have been to every ELO except mid-high challenger. I have been in challenger twice totaling 4 days. I can tell you this, you are completely and utterly incorrect about not only that mood is everything, but the reason you lost that game. Do you know how many players get into Diamond+ being completely negative? Alot, a hell of alot.

So onto the first point here. Alot of challengers have issues in Silver, and I can tell you this, it isnt due to toxicity. There is an extreme matchmaking issue in the game currently at low elo that ends up making games unwinnable for people who have decent win rates because... reasons? I will tell you this, there are players ranging from Bronze 5 to Master tier players in the Silver - Gold ELO range. The game seems to pit itself against good players who are climbing fast, or against duos. And what I mean by this, is the enemy team will get an LCS comp, and we will get a Vayne adc. Do you know what the problem with this is? Not only does the enemy trist just outscale your vayne, but beats the vayne early. There is 0 reason to play vayne in silver unless you have god tier mechanics, which im sorry but you guys dont. Just play Trist, Kog, Twitch... Any of the three really. The more interesting fact, is that in the game you are talking about, if the adc picks Trist, its an autowin. Instead chose to pick Vayne and take a tumble into an inevitable loss provided the enemy team just plays well, which they did.

Picks matter, doesn't matter the elo, they do matter. And if you continue to pick things like Malphite and Trynd jungle, you will keep losing games.

The other problem in silver, is not the toxicity itself, but the people who cant click the mute button, that is specifically there to prevent tilt. As soon as someone is toxic in my game i just mute. It is that simple, I havent reported someone for toxicity in forever because they might just be having a bad day and need a way to vent, and if i dont want to see their text i have a button that removes it. The common trait i see in toxic players is their ability to play well while tilted. So if all 4 of you muted him the game would have went unphased. Instead you come to forums to cry because you forgot that the mute button exists.

Just keep this in mind: Just because a pick is popular in low elo, doesn't mean it is good. Mute toxic teammates or don't cry about it. There are much bigger problems than someone in your game crying their arse off about vayne being bad, like matchmaking being completely flawed, or the report system banning people for talking a bit of crap to inting teammates, or the fact you can get away with literally intentionally feeding but just say you are trying.

Execution and Skill are the two main factors of league and always will be. If you are so weak minded to be thrown off by someone crying about a champion, perhaps you should take a break from the game because clearly it is too much for you. You cannot decide that the game is lost (because someone is crying in chat), and then blame it on them, you decided it was lost :P

"Alot of challengers have issues in silver"

Rather bold claim. Got any thing to support it? I'm just a washed up low diamond player but I got out of silver on my smurf playing velkoz jungle. I really can't see anyone even remotely near my rank playing in silver with less than a 70% winrate UNLESS they climbed out of bronze and their mmr is really high and they are playing with high gold players by that point.

Challenger players though? They breeze through diamond like I breeze through silver.

Dokueki KenshinOct 17, 20172 votes

To preface this, I'm a silver player right now climbing to gold. I know I'm not some mechanical god, but I do have some input here.

I'm roughly in agreement with this sentiment. I will acknowledge that picks matter... to a point. But there is a reason why we got Varus mid in Worlds. There's a reason we got a Blitzcrank and Garen bot lane in Worlds. Picks only matter in the sense that they may dictate how you play particular stages of the game.

To illustrate, I've been playing Quinn ADC (hard, yes, but still viable since she scales off of crit) and, more recently, Quinn top to climb. Yes, I get that being a marksmen in lane gives a small edge, but it's hardly a guaranteed win. I just got dumpstered by a Gnar a few games ago, but I digress. The fact is, people can work around picks. People can change the way they play a lane or play at specific stages of the game to level the playing field. If I'm against a Maokai, for instance, I play more defensively. I'll try to freeze the lane (really bad at it, but I try), maybe harass when it's safe, and wait for the Maokai to get aggressive and make a mistake. This is also true when the jungler is a burst damage or CC. I keep my Vault off cool down always in order to self peel and disengage.

Picks can ultimately be compensated for by intelligent play and extensive game knowledge. That mentality's been helping me a lot as I climb, and not just because I'm playing Quinn Top.

This Is Your DadOct 17, 20171 votes

To counter your counterargument:

Do you know how many players get into Diamond+ being completely negative? Alot, a hell of alot.

I am aware that this occurs; isn't it entirely plausible that they are so good that they got to diamond on their own, but if they adopted a more positive outlook, they'd climb even higher? Imagine if Tyler 1 had been a super nice guy. I personally think he would have played better and won more games and climbed further as a nice guy. There are some players that are so damn good they can skate by 1v5ing people and trashtalking everyone and everything. But that's not their full potential.

And as for this part:

Execution and Skill are the two main factors of league and always will be. If you are so weak minded to be thrown off by someone crying about a champion, perhaps you should take a break from the game because clearly it is too much for you. You cannot decide that the game is lost (because someone is crying in chat), and then blame it on them, you decided it was lost :P

I decided the game was lost in post game lobby, after we lost and was pretty positive until we finally lost. I fail to see how this equates to my post. As for being weak-minded, I said this before and just for clarification I will say it again: I was more concerned that the person he was bashing was being negatively affected by the rant than me personally, because I was the jungler and had nothing to do with the whining support. You're right about me needing to take a break, but consider that it seems everyone needs to take a break in silver to get over the stress of grinding.

AraMoOseOct 16, 20171 votes

Mute him, report him, move on.

This Is Your DadOct 17, 20174 votes

I wasn't the adc. I was the jungler, and in team chat up until we lost i was trying to get them to just play the game. The number of times Bard died while typing something stupid was astounding.

DarkeusOct 17, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=83QTGAve,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-10-17T00:38:17.364+0000)

I wasn't the adc. I was the jungler, and in team chat up until we lost i was trying to get them to just play the game. The number of times Bard died while typing something stupid was astounding.

The Bold is mine. I tell people this on this board all the time. Less typing, more playing.

Like all that typing is going to magically make people play better. All it does is make the one typing play WORSE.

FCJAAAAGOOOOOct 17, 20171 votes

I disagree; mood is mood and gameplay is everything. If they're inting in any form in-game they're not playing.

StinrygarOct 17, 20171 votes

Yes, that's called a negative attitude, unless it's 100% true. For example, if it's 0-25 and no objectives for your team, that's not really a matter of attitude. It actually just is a loss and no amount of positive thinking will change that.

Automated RivenOct 18, 20171 votes

This is bullshit. People who think they can win try to. People who think they can't don't. I have won a metric ton of games because we decided we could win. Instead of accepting a loss.

Dorans PantsOct 17, 20171 votes

lol ofc it is. if u pick a garbage tier champ or counterpick yourself then don´t be suprised that people get mad. i can´t count how often i had to dodge because my adc decides to pick a shitty "early game" adc that gets outscaled at min15 against a late game team comp. because most people don´t give a fuck about matchups, teamcomps or win conditions. they just want to pick whatever they want.

70% of the time i can already tell which team will win in champselect. And it´s not like i just gave up. I really tried but it´s just so demoralizing being validated over and over.

This Is Your DadOct 17, 20171 votes

There are players that can get to challenger with the old warwick.... if that was possible I think anyone can play anything regardless of tier, especially if they're good with that champion. Granted if you see a guy first time an adc he never uses that is way underwhelming I get that, but some people just want to play Vayne. Some people absolutely kill with her, others are just utter fails.

StairCasexdOct 18, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dorans Pants,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=83QTGAve,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-10-17T19:37:29.160+0000)

lol ofc it is. if u pick a garbage tier champ or counterpick yourself then don´t be suprised that people get mad. i can´t count how often i had to dodge because my adc decides to pick a shitty "early game" adc that gets outscaled at min15 against a late game team comp. because most people don´t give a fuck about matchups, teamcomps or win conditions. they just want to pick whatever they want.

70% of the time i can already tell which team will win in champselect. And it´s not like i just gave up. I really tried but it´s just so demoralizing being validated over and over.

Top Lane locks in teemo and jungler is a squishy, support is also a squishy.

IcyPepperOct 17, 20171 votes

I can get someone getting mad at say, darius or amumu adc,

Or anything besides a traditional marksman bot lane as a carry.

Like, my god, that lane carry position has no flexibility.

This Is Your DadOct 17, 20171 votes

I saw a Tryndamere and amumu bot lane win the game once. It's doable, but what I'm talking about is I can understand some people might not know how to support a non marksman carry, but at least Vayne is a marksman, which is normal for them.

IcyPepperOct 18, 20171 votes

Once. And I'm sure someone voiced their hesitation to play that game.

You know what I meant. Anecdotal game asides, the metagame is not flexible in bot lane and it's aggravating.

Automated RivenOct 18, 20171 votes

I have played riven support a bunch of times. Nobody has said anything to me because I told them what I was trying to do.

This Is Your DadOct 18, 20171 votes

Usually I don't adc, but when I see an off meta pick I give them a chance to play it out. I had to support a Yasuo adc in a normals match when our Vayne went top, but it was chill (normals are for fun) and we won and had fun. I do have a bit more of a try hard attitude in ranked, but not in an aggressive way. But after being walled to my death by the anivia a few times I kinda figured she was trolling. Though it's totally plausible that the anivia accidentally walled me off into 4 people multiple times. Who knows. I think the big question here is intention, we can never guess the intentions of another player, so we assume anything out of norm is trolling, because people do troll by picking katarina support, while some pick katarina support to win. In my low elo I think most people have a hard time pulling it off though.

VashtrallOct 17, 20171 votes

You disagree? I can have people telling me im this or that, telling me I should this or that, telling me I play like this or that. I don't care. I won't even mute them like some scared bird. If I know I play well then that's that, if not, that's fine, I was bad.

RainbowIceeOct 17, 20171 votes

GG, you lost op. [sg-ahri-2]

Disabled SupportOct 18, 20171 votes

warning: essay approaching, lol. I'm not a prophet, teacher,novelist or anything..

I can't even rank yet but seeing things in norms as a usual support player sort of irks me. It's usually the marksman that starts to cry and bash me, mid or jg (or all of us) for doing nothing to help them when they do stupid risky things after we all ping "Be Careful!". I understand the meta is "Protecc marksman = free wins" but it's hard to protect some people who are just acting like idiots and having them flame you for their mistakes. For example, Ashe runs into dragon pit while rest of the team is setting up by herself to invade, ults but misses and dies. She screams at me, the support, and the jungle for not following up after not communicating her plays at all and for the whole timer that she's down she's raging. Sure I can mute her, but I didn't know she was toxic by now, and my mood is already lower than before and I lose a bit of confidence in being able to do risky plays which means less likely to win. I also feel less likely to play along with "Protecc marksman" because the marksman was being rude, so I'd rather just "throw" over winning because I feel like they deserve the loss for their misconduct. Not only that, but some people are more sensitive than others. Even if you think that you are the most "level headed" person in the universe who can't ever be tilted, not everyone is like you. Some people have mental conditions, are naturally more sensitive or are just having a bad day and want to escape whatever is going on in real life for an escape in video gaming. Then a flamer comes along and makes things worse, making the person having a bad day have a bad experience and might not want to play the game again. Being trapped in that game, that person will play worse because these negative thoughts/feelings start to show in their actions. Maybe they flame back or act toxic and do certain things that are considered dumb or not useful to the team. Maybe they go afk for a few minutes at a time to blow off steam and get more behind, or maybe they just leave the game because they're so amd they don't care. Basically, words INDIRECTLY change the course of a game. If you do the opposite and give praise or advice when needed, players will not only feel more confident about their abilities to do things and feel more willing to do risky plays which can win a game. Your information might also form the way another summoner plays forever, and will help them learn how to play a champion correctly. Being positive also lessens the impact of a loss, because at least you got a smile or a laugh out of the game, or even some really helpful information you will use next game.