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Toxicity in games.

TheTurboedSloth··9 votes·1,396 views

Rammus So a while back maybe a solid week or two I came across an article and in said article RIOT claimed that their tribunal system has done amazing things such as lowering negativity in games and being like a toxic person rehab essentially because once they were banned 90% of players no longer had offenses from there on afterwards and how the system has lowered toxicity in games to a mere 2%, but how come I find a toxic person in every game, why do I always find afk's, ragers, ping spammers, people on tilt, matching up with people who just played together and already raging at each other in champ select. In short at least one person in all of my games seems to be on tilt except me, and no matter what I seem to do ITS EVERY GAME, this is really just going to be the first game I'm going to shelf because of the community. Honestly speaking the 2% of games that have toxicity in them I must be in everyone because this is just ruining the game for me, I try to stay positive and try to keep everyone calm giving out good jobs and Its not getting better the more I play the more I find toxic people, Is anyone else having this problem because its ruining the game for me. item 3070 Amumu item 3070

Edit: Link to my other post just so people know im not pulling the 2% out of the air, contains article. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/OXsJAeb6-toxic-players-and-player-support-tickets

17 Comments

Bandit King Z9 votes

I've kinda been feeling the same despair. I've spent a generous amount of time on this game because I love everything about it.... except its community, which seemingly hasn't improved. 9/10 times it's an absolutely miserable shit show, and that's been largely time spent in Bots. It's 95% guaranteed in regs, and I never even touched rank because fuck that noise.

TheTurboedSloth3 votes

I'm speaking from a ranked play standpoint personally I like the idea of winning and having something to show that your actually getting better at the game IE the rank, but when your team is losing you the game even though your putting time in its just not fun anymore.

Bandit King Z1 votes

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I'm speaking from a ranked play standpoint personally I like the idea of winning and having something to show that your actually getting better at the game IE the rank, but when your team is losing you the game even though your putting time in its just not fun anymore.

I can appreciate that, thus why I don't do ranked. I'd love to be that good or confident enough and to be honest my three mains I think I'm good enough for some actual PVP. However, I also recognized I take negative players a lil too hard. I don't retaliate, but man, my playing suffers when I start feeling down.

If anything, it's actually made me take on the world of competitive live fighting games. Someone reasoned it to me like this: In fighting games, you still have that community aspect but are responsible for only your self. Your wins, losses, etc. You don't lose because someone else decided to troll you. Bought myself a proper fightstick and have been making my mark in my local scene.

I still enjoy LoL despite all that, I'm just reluctant to take new champs live until I'm 100% confident in them.. Sometimes not though and I mess up.

shark music8 votes

I think Riot counts only counts racism, sexism, and hate speech as "toxic". Because, yeah, they keep bandying that "2%" number around like it's true in some way, and it's insanely obvious, when you're actually playing League, that far more than one in fifty games contain verbally abusive people. More like one in fifty doesn't.

I don't count things like AFKs or bad players (or good players having a bad game) or map ping spammers (as much as I loath them personally) as toxic, but that still leaves a ton of openly mean spirited behavior and caustic sportsmanship (from both winners and losers) and the ever present decision bullies (OMG STUPID NOOB you're not really going to take ignite instead of heal, are you???? REPORTED!!!), all somehow magically slipping in under Riot's "2%" radar.

The easiest thing to do is press enter to chat, then while the chat box is active, grab it by the top border and move it down, off screen. Pay attention to the map, use map pings, and even type proactive things if you want. The important thing is that you can't hear them, it's fine that they can still hear your words of encouragement or play ideas. I've been playing like that for most of the last year. No one even notices. I still get friendly honors on a routine basis. The only difference is that now I can genuinely relax and enjoy playing LoL.

And, just for the record, I try turning chat back on fairly often. Any time I get a pre-game lobby with people who seem to be friendly or in good humor. It never takes them longer than five minutes in-game to drive my chat box back off screen. Two percent. Pfft. They should just replace the "2%" with a picture of a unicorn.

TheTurboedSloth2 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/OXsJAeb6-toxic-players-and-player-support-tickets Link to my other post which contains the article with the self proclaimed 2% unicorn as you say. One of the most painful things about it is hell at least in call of duty when your team is toxic and just losing all over you can just leave you dont have to put up with it but not here in league riot forces you to wait upwards of twenty minutes just to lose and the whole time you know you're wasting your time and not having any fun at all.

TheTurboedSloth3 votes

And to add if you don't sit there and suffer through people ruining a match YOU get penalized!

qetzel1 votes

2% is for "homophobia, sexism and racism" according to the article the OP linked. http://www.pcgamesn.com/league-of-legends/just-2-of-league-of-legends-games-witness-abuse-claims-riot

Are you seriously telling me that you experience that much hate speech in your games? The number of toxic players is more than 2% and Riot is not trying to hide this.

TanakAttack2 votes

That's pretty much what Riot does. They make claims based on only partial truths and try to manipulate people into thinking something because they know no one can really pull hard evidence to disprove anything they say.

I just got done proving on these boards a player who trolls the boards to start debates and arguments with people solely to make them give up and leave. He doesn't argue or debate them to try and prove his point on whatever subject they're talking about, he just does it to them to make them give up. I PROVED it in the thread. Then what happens? Riot swoops in and deletes all my posts relating to that proof to censor me and swiftly temp bans my account(s) from the boards so i cannot rebut.

qetzel1 votes

EDIT: 2% is for "homophobia, sexism and racism" according to the article the OP linked. http://www.pcgamesn.com/league-of-legends/just-2-of-league-of-legends-games-witness-abuse-claims-riot

Both the OP and you suggest that toxicity is more than just sexism, racism and homophobia. The number of toxic players is therefore much higher than 2%.

So that everybody can see the original comment (it feels wrong to delete it), I will leave it here.

THIS IS MATHEMATICALLY INCORRECT.

If two percent of players are toxic then each person on your team has a two percent chance to be toxic. Assuming you aren't, 0.98^4=0.922 This is the chance that everybody on your team is not toxic. There is therefore an 7.78% chance that at least one person on your team is toxic.

It has also been documented that negative people are more likely to find toxic people in their games as they are much more likely to be set off.

Ranked also contains a higher proportion of toxic people (I have not seen the numbers though). If 5% of ranked players are toxic, for example, almost 20% of your games will have a toxic person on your team.

Then think of all chat - bring the other team into the mix and the chances increase to 17 and 37% respectively.

Add negativity bias into the mix and it is reasonable that somebody could believe they have almost every game with a toxic person even though the actual value is 2%.

Fredart3 votes

Teemo Cassiopeia Singed Giving you 3 champs that are toxic in the game since they like use poison.

PIMPSMOOTH2 votes

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Teemo Cassiopeia Singed Giving you 3 champs that are toxic in the game since they like use poison.

You forgot Twitch

lolptwo2 votes

Riot's numbers are straight up filthy lies, it doesn't take into consideration smurf accounts/2nd/3rd accounts and what they consider toxic and reform is a laughable state. It's comparable to saying a serial killer has reformed because he only stabs people now, no dismemberment.

Left Hook Larry2 votes

This community so probably the most sensitive gaming community out there. Seriously, if someone calls you bad in game MUTE THEM. It's not difficult and works for every other game except for League apparently. If someone is taking it to a next level as in telling you to kill yourself or being racist just report them.

StViscous2 votes

Because Riot is a piece of shit company that only considers something "toxic" when it's speech and not actions.

Zappbrannagen1 votes

2nd time posting to the boards xD I literally just got done reading this thread when i decided its time for my weekend morning 1st game into good ol' ranked queue.

Game came up, I accepted, we all got into lobby, and people started calling their lanes. The second pick tells us hes going to jg and the last pick started to freak out.

last pick: "are you good at jg? second: doesn't respond for a couple minutes. last: "cuz every time I give jg they fuck it up." second: "go check it you dumbass." last: "im not checking shit." second: "dont talk to me like ur some badass." last: "im ganna shit talk good if im good."

seriously I can never find a game without a couple le douchbags on my team. Also checking someone's stats is easier than logging into league. This behavior and much more bullshit that I put up with every game, is ruining my favorite game.

Troll Armada1 votes

People like to play with winners.

“What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate.” — Donald Trump

TwistedFate

http://i.imgur.com/1Hy9c6S.jpg

...in other words, one of the best ways to combat toxicity is to git gud.

qetzel1 votes

2% is for "homophobia, sexism and racism" according to the article the OP linked. http://www.pcgamesn.com/league-of-legends/just-2-of-league-of-legends-games-witness-abuse-claims-riot

Are you seriously telling me that you experience that much hate speech in your games? The number of toxic players is more than 2% and Riot is not trying to hide this.

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