Reported for "arguing"

RxGinger··1 votes·2,277 views

[0:20] [All] Soraka: no [0:26] [All] Soraka: what cass said [1:22] [All] Soraka: start your chicks [1:24] [All] Soraka: not red [1:30] [All] Soraka: ;) [3:37] Soraka: gj [3:41] Soraka: cean [3:49] Soraka: can you back and get back on ? [7:29] Soraka: feels baaaaad [8:51] Soraka: 4 bot [9:45] Soraka: wtf was that [9:48] Soraka: new champ? [10:36] Soraka: you also ulted backwards [10:40] Soraka: how are you supose to kill both [11:13] Soraka: are you taking that long to type? [11:15] Soraka: just play [12:53] Soraka: dude im the same level as you [12:58] Soraka: please do stuff [13:10] Soraka: farm yoru jungle? [13:23] Soraka: shje is level 7 [13:25] Soraka: just standing her [13:26] Soraka: doing nothing [15:03] Soraka: oh you guys are duo [15:05] Soraka: that makes more sense [17:35] Soraka: free [18:26] Soraka: i need to hit people [18:46] Soraka: it didnt give me my wards to place [19:28] Soraka: cant plkace wards still [19:40] Soraka: omg [19:41] Soraka: i ddint upgrade it [19:42] Soraka: wow [21:22] Soraka: why [21:24] Soraka: are you farming the lanes [21:29] Soraka: the entire jungle is up man [21:37] Soraka: you have been very BM [21:49] Soraka: its the 3rd time I asked for you to stop doing that [21:55] Soraka: its just hurting the laners [23:02] Soraka: for what? [23:10] Soraka: asking her to stop being toxic by taking the lane farm over and over [23:27] Soraka: still not fun having someone follow you around taking farm [23:48] Soraka: its the play [24:14] Soraka: then why are you swearing at me lol [24:25] Soraka: and youa re to [24:42] Soraka: for asking her to just do her jungle and not our lane minions? [24:45] Soraka: go ahead ? [24:50] Soraka: i did nothing wrong [25:03] Soraka: right? [25:05] Soraka: its him and his duo [25:18] Soraka: i didnt call her names or anything [25:29] Soraka: just pinged out the jungle camps up and asked her to not take the farm over and over thats all [25:40] Soraka: then you jumped down people throats [29:32] Soraka: we dont care [29:34] Soraka: its a normal [29:40] Soraka: as long as shes not BMing people [29:43] Soraka: we dont care [29:43] Soraka: no [29:45] Soraka: we are not [29:47] Soraka: im with twitch [29:52] Soraka: i mean you are clearly with eve [29:52] Soraka: buyt [30:06] Soraka: lol [30:49] Soraka: you guys? [30:50] Soraka: lol [30:53] Soraka: have you listened to yourself [30:59] Soraka: we have jusst been trying to play the game [31:03] Soraka: and not get trolled by eve [31:10] Soraka: ? [31:15] Soraka: you have typed more than me [31:50] Soraka: gj [31:53] Soraka: that was beasst [32:37] Soraka: its full of YOUs [32:40] Soraka: is basically what it is [32:47] Soraka: oh cass you mean [33:00] Soraka: cass grow the fuck up man just play together [33:11] Soraka: jsut report her

I was told specifically from customer support I was banned and lost all my honor because of arguing, and not the 1 time I used language. To put it into context, the eve was following my duo, who was adc, for a good amount of the game trying to take his farm and was not farming her jungle. She was standing next to our bot lane in exp range for almost 3 mins while the entire jungle was up, not trying to gank, but was just trying to grief. Her duo was the kled top lane and He was going ballistic on me and my duo, who were not rude to them or called them a single bad name during the entire match but was just responding to him. We never said anyone was bad or threatened or even gave up when 3 of them just afked taunted and laughed at eachother for the last 5 mins in our basse while we were 2v5ing trying to play the game. We were not the ones to go out of our way to ruin the game by any means. The cassio mid spent literally 10 mins at the end just following the kled around spamming laugh and nothing else and they were shit talking eachother the whole time. All me and my duo wanted was to just get along, come to an understanding about what was going on and not ignore each other because from our experience when you ignore people they just afk right away. I don't think the ban is justified and really do think should be lifted. I already asked Riot to give me a clear method to communicate with people like this, and not just mute them, because muting is way worse in a team environment when they could be typing out their in game intentions or plays to make as a team.

Thoughts?Teemo

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Voldymort5 votes

since you care so much about context, can you post the conversation you had with the rioter?

RxGinger1 votes

(09:37:50 PM) Void Wish: Looking into these logs, I am seeing behaviors that we label as negative (09:38:12 PM) RxGinger: what is negative? (09:38:14 PM) RxGinger: i dont get that (09:38:15 PM) RxGinger: i guess (09:38:15 PM) Void Wish: Calling others out on their performance, constant arguing, and blaming others. (09:38:29 PM) Void Wish: Here's a short list of what we see as negative behaviors:

  1. Blaming others
  2. Name calling
  3. Calling out others on their performance
  4. Constantly arguing
  5. Spamming chat
  6. Telling others to shutup
  7. Taunting others (09:38:39 PM) RxGinger: whats that mean by calling out of performance? (09:38:48 PM) Void Wish: And I also recommend reviewing article v of the Code of Conduct, which you can read in our Terms of Use here.

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#code-conduct (09:39:02 PM) RxGinger: if someone is following me around and trolling and strealing farm from our adc and stuff is that performance ? (09:39:05 PM) RxGinger: thats what i dont get i guess (09:39:26 PM) Void Wish: Yeah that would be performance (09:39:47 PM) RxGinger: so me askikng someone to stop following us around and taking farm when they could be jungler is negitive? (09:39:52 PM) RxGinger: i dont get how that is negative (09:39:56 PM) RxGinger: whats negative is the game play (09:40:09 PM) Void Wish: It's not inherently negative, but depending on how you do it it can be (09:40:13 PM) RxGinger: asking for someone to stop trolling and trying to ruin a game shoudl be negative (09:40:17 PM) RxGinger: i did it jusst fine (09:40:21 PM) Void Wish: Now I don't want you to feel like I'm talking at you. I'm only here to help you understand how the systems in place work, I'm sorry, but I can't change them. If you're interested in discussing whether this penalty is justified, then I would recommend you bringing this up on the Player Behavior boards, where your fellow players and some of the Player Behavior development team frequent.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation (09:40:25 PM) RxGinger: asked mulltiple times and pinged (09:41:12 PM) RxGinger: I wasnt being toxic or negative (09:41:16 PM) RxGinger: is what i keep saying (09:41:26 PM) RxGinger: i was literally being positive (09:41:28 PM) RxGinger: read the chat (09:41:31 PM) RxGinger: read the whole caht (09:41:38 PM) Void Wish: And I'm explaining what behaviors are considered negativity (09:42:09 PM) RxGinger: yes and I didnt do that stuff in a negative way (09:42:37 PM) Void Wish: I believe we've given full context on your restriction and why it won't be lifted. If you have any questions unrelated to this restriction then I'm happy to answer those, otherwise I'll have to close out this chat. (09:43:19 PM) RxGinger: I do have a question (09:43:25 PM) Void Wish: Yeah (09:43:58 PM) RxGinger: Why am I the one getting a ban and not other people in the same game who said "negative" things as well? (09:44:12 PM) Void Wish: So a couple things to hit on there (09:44:17 PM) RxGinger: If the system is automatic , why am i the only one getting it? (09:44:20 PM) Void Wish: Like I said, I will be investigating them after this chat (09:44:29 PM) RxGinger: My frined has honor 5 (09:44:33 PM) Void Wish: But also the notifications saying that your recent report has been actioned on doesn't always send out (09:44:42 PM) RxGinger: and said worse stuff than i did (09:44:44 PM) Void Wish: Even if action is taken (09:44:53 PM) RxGinger: I didnt even say anything bad (09:44:58 PM) RxGinger: like thats what is so frusterating to me (09:45:01 PM) Void Wish: I will look into your friends behavior as well and action accordingly as well (09:45:20 PM) RxGinger: it was a 40 min game of some of the most toxic behavior towards me and my friend (09:45:45 PM) RxGinger: and me being nice and pining out the jungle camps they can do and asking them to please stop trolling gets me banned (09:45:49 PM) RxGinger: thats just not fair (09:46:08 PM) Void Wish: The biggest issue is the arguing (09:46:21 PM) Void Wish: the majority of the messages sent seem to be arguing with your teammates (09:46:32 PM) RxGinger: But it wasnt (09:46:48 PM) Void Wish: Like I said, I've given full context at this point (09:46:51 PM) Void Wish: I will be closing out this chat now (09:46:55 PM) RxGinger: It was communicating (09:46:56 PM) *** Void Wish left the chat ***

RxGinger1 votes

as you can see they clearly didn't read the in game chat I had with the people, because I wasn't being negative or calling people out or anything. There was 1 time I said "wtf was that" but it was to the eve who started to troll us before I realized she was full on trolling. She came into lane and ulted the opposite way on 2 people who were like 100 health and I was genuinely confused about what she was doing. I actually didn't know that commenting on any in game play AT ALL was bannable. I see this in literally 100% of my games and have never seen it as toxic unless the person is trying to shame them or be demining. I was not any of that. I actually was just trying to reason with someone who was going WAAAY out of their way with their friend to ruin their game. and was being nice the whole time.

As you can see the rioter litereally says that me using the language in the end was not a reason for the ban, but because I was "arguing" which is just ludicrous because I still played very well while not ignoring someone speaking to me. I was going out of my way to get control wards and still ward for the very toxic people and ping out dangerous situationgs, ping our wards when we had them up so we would remember to use vision, praised the Kled who wass CRAAZZY toxic all game about a good play he made saying he was a beast. Trust me I did not want to say anything positive towards these massive jerks but I was just trying to focus on gameplay without ignoring team mates.

Its just completely unjustified for the ban.

I asked them to give me some more guidance on what to do and they linked me a video which said to literally do what I did. Minus talk so much. But I always chat a lot in game because I am a communicator. its just unfortunate these people went into the game with the intention to get ssomeone to chat with them and report. I feel like I got baited in trying to pull us together and answer all the questions the kled was non stop at me about while not being rude.

RxGinger1 votes

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since you care so much about context, can you post the conversation you had with the rioter?

I just did, thoughts? You can see they just got out of chat as fast as possible and really didn't go over anything

Karang4 votes

Thoughts, riot sucks. Run while you still can.

Projectile Vomit4 votes

Tricky one, I think you spend way too much time talking about petty shit that won't help you win the game, but do I think your logs deserve a ban? No. So your account has been suspended, is that right?

RxGinger2 votes

I got a chat restriction, which im a support main and greatly hurts my game play where I keep track of camps and buffs and communicate in advance when to go where as a team. And lost all of my honor

Cute Cuban1 votes

You will be banned if you continue, trust me. I had a rioter respond to my reddit thread and they literally said "context doesn't matter".

Honestly, this is the way Riot designed the punishment system and they refuse to change it. You have to learn to play around it instead. Just don't type, even if you think it's helping/constructive.

RxGinger3 votes

The chat is not edited at all and is my entire input for the game. Keep in mind they were being incredibly trolly and verbal all game

BlueBilberry2 votes

First transcript where it is actually hard to find the source of the offence. Here's what I think happened.

  1. There was a series of reports against you. (So games other than this one.) 2 .You typed a heck of a lot in this game. Amazed that you were able to put in so much during one game. The more you type in game, the easier it is a complaint to stick. In short, things can be read into text which may or may not exist.
  2. There are some signs in the chat where you were criticizing other players' play. (e.g., at about 10:36)
  3. The last few lines were flagged by the algorithm: " cass grow the fuck up man just play together ... jsut report her". Telling someone to report another person is technically a negative behaviour that is covered by the Code.

I wish you good luck in your case. It the rest of the evidence is a bit weak, then it could well be one of those cases which gets overturned. Fingers crossed for you.

RxGinger1 votes

oh its not aloud to ask people to report someone for following people are for 10 mins non stop hitting laugh ? literally 10 mins? I honestly didn't know that is considered a negative behavior, trying to work together to get people like that banned and out of the game and reminding people of the report function that usually goes overlooked

BlueBilberry2 votes

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oh its not aloud to ask people to report someone for following people are for 10 mins non stop hitting laugh ? literally 10 mins? I honestly didn't know that is considered a negative behavior, trying to work together to get people like that banned and out of the game and reminding people of the report function that usually goes overlooked

Just even the hint of some sort of conspiring to report a person can be a trigger. If you do bring it up in chat (heaven forbid), be careful how you word it. But I wish you good luck in the meantime.

RxGinger1 votes

I said it at the very very end of the game because they spent 1/3d of the game not doing anything but following someone spamming the laugh button. In no WAAAYYY that should be reportable for me, considered negative, or be bannable. And I know for a fact the F word isn't reportable or bannable because streamers use it in litereally every game. someone is saying it. And they are not getting banned

RxGinger2 votes

They said it is final and wont be overturned because I was being negative. Which I wasn't I wass trying to be positive and also not ignore someone speaking directly to me and explain my position, like they asked.

Mc Truck3 votes

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  1. There are some signs in the chat where you were criticizing other players' play. (e.g., at about 10:36)

Whaaat am I fucking reading right now, since when is criticism is bloody reportable? SINCE WHEN ARE SIGNS OF CRITICISM ARE REPORTABLE?! OH FUCKING GOD!!!1 OHHFTHHXDFNJKODSS

  1. The last few lines were flagged by the algorithm: " cass grow the fuck up man just play together ... jsut report her". Telling someone to report another person is technically a negative behaviour that is covered by the Code.

Yeah, this is why it's an actual false positive.

Zombie Gerbil2 votes

So basically you retaliated against toxicity with toxicity. Something you do quite consistently since you didn't use any racial slurs or any other offensive slurs. You just blamed players, insult them, calling them out, constantly fighting, spamming the chat with a negative response, demanding players to shut up, and doing other inflammatory activities according to Riot Support. And here you are, questioning your penalty?

This is something you do consistently. Meaning, quite often. You went through a couple tiers to get to this point. You did and said everything you'd never do before you even downloaded the game. Quite honestly, what are you trying to get across?

That you didn't deserve it? Get behind the thousands of other penalized players who went against the policy who said the exact same thing.

RxGinger2 votes

I wasn't toxic a single time in all of that chat.. my play was not toxic. If you could see the 5x amount of chat that wass coming at me I was responding because they kept asking. They way you are going at me is honestly more aggressive than I was In all of that chat.

RxGinger2 votes

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Voldymort2 votes

the red herring is strong with this one...

Zombie Gerbil2 votes

No, you were quite toxic and you made it quite clear. Doesn't matter what the situation is, you made things worse, you got what you deserve.

Next time try not to retaliate and not be toxic in the game.

RxGinger1 votes

You are the one being toxic praying on people on the boards just to shit talk them.

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

Talking about you. Not me.

Don't wanna about you? Don't post on the board. Till then, this is going to be about what you did wrong and why you deserve it.

You deserve the ban because you just blamed players, insult them, calling them out, constantly fighting, spamming the chat with a negative response, demanding players to shut up, and doing other inflammatory activities. If you're on your 3rd penalty, that will be your LAST penalty. If you are permabanned, buh bye.

RxGinger1 votes

I didn't do basically anything you are saying here? and why are you being so rude and agresssive? please , if you are going to harass me just go some where else, im asking for a discussion not someone acting immature

ModPeriscope2 votes

ZG has responded with their opinion regarding your chat logs; if you feel a user is harassing you (constant, unsolicited responses), then you should stop replying to them.

Not everyone is going to agree with you that your logs aren't punishable.

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

I am entitled to my opinion and I agree with the Riot Support you talked to. You're a toxic individual who got a penalty and you need to recognize where you went wrong. I am not harassing, I am replying to you with my opinion. You don't have to reply to it, but you're going to receive my opinion and my response regardless if you reply to it or not.

RxGinger1 votes

I know you cant see the other chat so what I say, though all of it was not negative, and even if it was I was clearly not trying to offend or belittle or insult anyone and only tried to respond kindly and present my side. Could you maybe give me your opinion on what I should have said? I don't feel as if I was being rude, and if you saw the chat it would probably be 10x the length because it was mostly kled and casio.

I don't want to be a "toxic" person, that's why im posing on here for opinions. My chat was G rated up until I sad the F word, which is not a punishable offence or else it would be automatically censored in game.

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

I already responded with my opinion where you were toxic. That chat-log isn't the only log though. Riot Support said more than enough.

If you don't to be toxic, then take responsibility for it. Know when you're toxic. If you know when you're toxic, you know when to avoid it. Right, cussing isn't a punishable offense, but if you direct it at someone or insult someone with it, then yes, it's punishable.

But the more you avoid the fact you're toxic, then you're never going to understand where you went wrong. Because you can't fix something when you deny its presence.

WoΘxer1 votes

I dont see any toxicity, just an argueable response. So considering your thought, half of the champions made by Riot are toxic and should be censored then.

WoΘxer1 votes

So basically If I chat alot with friends and getting reported, I should get punished because I typed too much?

Fking non sense.

zPOOPz2 votes

Are you playing a game or running a chatroom? First off, when you type, your hand is unlikely to be on the mouse where it should be. Your mind is partially on what you are typing, not the game. Your eyes also may not be on the game or mini-map. This goes the same for your friend(s). Secondly, when you are not in a pre-made 5, the other people you are not typing to will be distracted with his chatroom running killing any other pings or useful info in the chatbox. Thirdly, you are playing a game, not a chatroom.

WoΘxer1 votes

Its not your god damn business I chat as long as I want with my premades, if he doesn't like he can mute us, as long as I am not insulting him or not giving towards him bad behaviour I shouldn't get punished, if I trash talk towards my own premade and giving fun replies, shouldnt even be punishable reason.

Every one knows how this Report automatic system is a complete shithole.

zPOOPz2 votes

If you are in a premade 5, then who would report you? If you are in a premade 5, then it's definitely the odd man out business because it affects his game.

WoΘxer1 votes

Learn to read.

I didn't mention full premade.

zPOOPz1 votes

Then you being chatty with the TEAM's chatbox most definitely affect people not in your premade and they have every right to report you (although I'm not entirely sure you will be punished unless you make one of them crude punishable jokes).

You are playing a game with other people not your friend. You..are...playing...a...game....

WoΘxer1 votes

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zPOOPz1 votes

Not sure who can't read. Where did I say you should be punished? Don't strawman me man.

Moreover, this is a team game. You are playing a game. Just because you are in premade 4 and there's one odd man out did not mean he has to suffer a chatbox full of nonsense shit unrelated to the game.

WoΘxer1 votes

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zPOOPz1 votes

personal insults, the end all be all of the immature.

You can give zero fuck all you want. When you make the mistake of making one of those "jokes" that get you punished. I'll see you in your own thread.

WoΘxer1 votes

I am not talking about jokes, I am talking about overall chatting, why I should get a punishment because I wrote more messages than wrote in average.

I already tested this dumb system, I can write u suck, idiot, dumbshit every 8 minutes and if I wrote only these 4 words in entire match, nothing gonna happen for me. Because more you type more system triggers you, doesn't matter if your chat is clear this shitass system checking only numbers and keywords and every one claims this system is gucci.

zPOOPz1 votes

Once again, I never said you should be punished for chatting too much. I am simply explaining to you that unless you are in a premade 5, there is other people that will have their game affected. I'm not sure if Rito sees that as toxicity (I don't think I've seen such a case yet), but you certainly should be more considerate to your teammate. There are other out-of-game comm you can easily use like Skype or Discord that won't affect your teammates.

You don't need to test the system. Everyone here can tell you that simple swearing won't get you punished. It is only when those swearings is pointed AT someone that will get you punished.

Because more you type more system triggers you, doesn't matter if your chat is clear this shitass system checking only numbers and keywords and every one claims this system is gucci.

[citation needed]

WoΘxer1 votes

Some one couldn't join discord some one wants to listen to music, that's why chat sometimes is intensive anyway why the hell I must use voice chat platform, where in Summoner's code wrote I can't use chat to chat?

zPOOPz1 votes

Because you are playing a game. Chat should be for strategy or information that goes toward winning that game. Where in the Summoner's code wrote that the odd man out should be forced to mute everyone because you and your friends can't use the chatbox for its purpose?

WoΘxer1 votes

Nowhere, but where is wrote that I can't use chat to chat? Thats what for mute button is for, if you dont like you mute them, he is not forced to read all of the chat, so he can mute, whats the problem? If he wants to communicate he's using pings. Where the hell wrote in the rules that chat is made for only strategic and informative purpose?

zPOOPz1 votes

It does not say you cannot use chat to chat. That's why I have doubts it is punishable because I haven't seen such a case since the days of Tribunal. That doesn't mean you should not give some consideration for your other teammates.

RxGinger3 votes

I was in a game with 3 people going ballistic and trolling for almost the entire game, and my friend. I was responding to someone talking to me and asking politely to stop trolling and lets just play the game as a team. My game play was good that game and had very good vision score. Im not going to just ignore people when sometimes talking with them can help. There is a chat feature for a reason, and unless people are going out of their way to ruin someones time, or being raciest sexiest and what have you, should be able to be used fully. There is a mute button if people wish to not communicate in a team game where communication, according to riot and the video the sent me, leads to millions of games won more so than not talking at all. The video they sent also said to ward for your trollers to try to help them anyways, which I went out of my way to do so.

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