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Dear Mods, you seriously have to increase your reading skills.

FrankerX··8 votes·1,324 views

so i made a post where i asked if the method of sky williams (the youtuber) to tilt the enemy team is reportable.

my post gets removes and i get following message "From: Riot Games Hey Brâ1ncânc3r,

We understand that you want to get word out about this player and their in-game behaviors but this is not the correct avenue to get attention on them. Please continue to use our in-game reporting system to put these players through our behavioral systems."

UHM GET WORD OUT ABOUT THIS PLAYER HELLO??? i asked if his method is ok to use and not like "look i want to report sky williams" wtf mods? seriously. i DONT want to report sky williams or nameshare him I WANTED TO ASK IF WHAT HE DOES IS REPORTABLE

serious question: everytime someone links a video where someone talks about LoL or plays LoL and isnt behaving 100% perfect should i now report those threads for name shame? you cant be serious mods.

41 Comments

Koonta Kintae7 votes

LOL I read the OP's original post. Had nothing to do with reporting anyone specifically. It was merely a question if a type of behavior was reportable. It is funny that he got nailed for it.

FrankerX4 votes

thanks. sure i mentioned the guy who "invented" this method or at least made it public (sky williams) but i never said anything bad about him

XinZhao2WinNhao6 votes

Yesterday I learned that the mods like to work on a "guilty until proven innocent" way.

I posted a match history where I went 24/18 because someone said that it's not possible to have a score like 21/19. I put no caption or anything on it to even imply that I was naming and shaming anyone. The only thing I put on there is the link to the match history, and the quote from someone else "how is it possible to go 21/19 in a game". My score was the only score close to 21/19.

It got deleted for naming and shaming.

The mods said it was because all 10 players names were on the match history link. Okay, but where's the shaming part? I didn't shame anyone. I didn't even mention any of the names on the match history link or single anyone out.

So I asked the mods "okay, if I'm naming and shaming, then who am I naming to shame, and how am I shaming them?"

And he pretty much said (not word for word, but something along the lines of) "I don't know (of course he doesn't know, because I wasn't naming or shaming anyone, I was posting my own score), but you might have been naming & shaming someone so we're just gonna assume you are."

ModMod Curator4 votes

Heya,

I reviewed the post in question and have un-deleted it. We currently don't usually remove references to pro players/famous streamers when it comes to discussing their actions. That being said, the behavior noted was very unsportsmanlike. While it may draw lots of hits on YouTube, it isn't necessarily acceptable in-game.

In regards to the Naming & Shaming policy in general on the Boards, if a post is discussing negative behaviors and links to match histories that show all names are included, we do remove that currently. If the discussion isn't about negative behaviors, they're left alone. It's a pretty straightforward policy that hasn't changed in as long as I've been here.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

FrankerX3 votes

lol thanks for undeleting it. at least now i know i didnt do that much wrong.

TeemoJenkins3 votes

So without naming the person, tell what he does, and ask if it's reportable. Problem solved.

FrankerX6 votes

so should i start to report every thread that mentions videogamedunkey for "name shame"? this is just stupid. im not allowed to ask about a well known youtuber because i name shame him?

Pandemic Punch2 votes

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so should i start to report every thread that mentions videogamedunkey for "name shame"? this is just stupid. im not allowed to ask about a well known youtuber because i name shame him?

His response was not about name shaming, it was about making your message more clear so they could understand your primary concern.

Pandemic Punch2 votes

Agreed. Also, OP jumping so quickly to imply the incompetence of the mods from one message leads me to believe that there is more to the story. Respect for people does wonders.

XinZhao2WinNhao4 votes

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Agreed. Also, OP jumping so quickly to imply the incompetence of the mods from one message leads me to believe that there is more to the story. Respect for people does wonders.

Well, the mods do tend to have the guilty until proven innocent thing going on right now, if they think you did anything wrong they just take it down immediately even without proof.

I know this isn't the US justice system and they're not required to have proof, but we also have a right to get pissed too.

Pandemic Punch2 votes

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Well, the mods do tend to have the guilty until proven innocent thing going on right now, if they think you did anything wrong they just take it down immediately even without proof.

I know this isn't the US justice system and they're not required to have proof, but we also have a right to get pissed too.

I never said you didn't. I never said mods are never wrong. However, the info that I am provided in the OP leads me to believe there is more to the story.

XinZhao2WinNhao2 votes

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I never said you didn't. I never said mods are never wrong. However, the info that I am provided in the OP leads me to believe there is more to the story.

I'm just saying there's not always something more.

There could be, I'm not saying the OP is definitely right, but I'm saying there might not be something more since lately the mods have been acting on a "guilty until proven innocent" thing where they simply assume something and act on their assumption with no proof.

Same thing's happened to me, and there was nothing more to the story except the fact that the mods think posting a match history is naming and shaming. They should just delete the entire match history site in that case, since millions of people are being named and shamed by that website.

Logic.

Pandemic Punch3 votes

Judging from OP's attitude I can see why he is having trouble. Judging from your attitude I can see why you are also struggling.

Logic = Something as set in stone as 2+2=4

We are dealing with human emotion and a limited form of communication. There is barely anything logical about that.

Edit: I believe there is more because I know if I were dealing with people that tell me to kill myself on a daily basis, then I will be cynical towards people who show little respect. We don't know the whole story.

Troll for Trump1 votes

Judging from what you've been posting, you're kinda being pretentious.

It should always be innocent ->guilty, not the other way around.

The "logic" was either sarcasm or a joke, probably both.

DJColdCutz3 votes

Clearly you don't know who Sky Williams is and clearly you didn't see the thread in question. Baa Baa...

Pandemic Punch2 votes

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Clearly you don't know who Sky Williams is and clearly you didn't see the thread in question. Baa Baa...

Then wouldn't that be the OP's fault for not clarifying? This is was the original point. You can also stop practicing the sheep sounds. You already blend in nicely.

DJColdCutz3 votes

No, it would be your fault for assuming things and "believing there's more to the story" that you have no part in, Dolly.

By the way, the OP did explain who Sky was, both in the original thread and here. He even explained that his question was the result of something that happened in one of his streams. Is that egg on your face or were you having some special time with rito support?

Pandemic Punch2 votes

I am not assuming. I haven't seen the mod's side of the story yet. We also don't know the exact words he used when interacting with support. We absolutely don't know the whole story.

Edit: I don't have good faith that he treated the mods with much respect considering how OP is handling the situation.

DJColdCutz1 votes

What do the words he used with support have to do with anything? The "original point" is that the post shouldn't have been deleted for naming and shaming. The post was essentially "Look at this famous youtuber's tactics. What do you guys think of them? Are they within the ToS?" So what could his conversation with support add to this? If that's naming and shaming, then discussing anything community-related here is against the rules of the boards.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

Words that are disrespectful or passive aggressive are words that he wouldn't post publicly I imagine. Also, the original post that you replied to was agreeing with a point that had nothing to do with name shaming. It was a point that was an attempt to help the OP have clarity in his message so it can't be linked to name shaming. This would allow the support team to more accurately answer his question. That is all it was about.

DJColdCutz1 votes

So if he disrespected the mods after they deleted his post, then he deserved to have his post deleted? Sorry, I'm confused by your argument, probably because you have no idea what you're talking about since you didn't see the thread.

He wasn't asking the support anything. It wasn't a ticket. He didn't submit a ticket about anything. He made a forum post asking the community about a streamer. What are you talking about??

Yea, you "agreed" with a guy (who it is clear also didn't see the original post) and then went on to make an ignorant comment about there being "more to the story" and "respect"... If you're gonna pretend like you didn't say those things and act like people are only getting on your case for saying "Agreed", you should probably delete the rest of that comment.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

You are just arguing for argument's sake now. The only pretending I did was pretend that I was talking to a reasonable poster. I regret replying to you as if you are actually comprehending what I am saying. I am not going to dive into your circular argument game and keep repeating myself. The only thing that made sense from you the whole time is when you said you are confused.

DJColdCutz1 votes

Lol I'm glad I finally got you to understand that he never made a support ticket. If only you had read the first four words of the OP, you wouldn't have to try to save face like this.[slayer-jinx-catface]

DJColdCutz1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/HzMyEmfH-are-you-allowed-to-tilt-the-enemy-team-sky-williams-method

Get informed.

Troll for Trump1 votes

Here, inb4 deletion

DJColdCutz3 votes

Lmfao... Did you see the Renegades vs Dignitas game where BillyBoss and KiwiKid died taking the bot turret and then Crumbz and Hakuho died to the Rift Herald?? Deleted for mentioning names These boards are dumb as fuck.

Bettnachleger3 votes

I was reading the post. Wasn't naming & shaming at all -___-

XinZhao2WinNhao3 votes

If you're talking about people who put themselves on the internet for public view, it shouldn't be called naming and shaming. It's called checking and balancing.

Let's say someone uploaded a video of themselves going AFk or intentionally feeding to YouTube. Calling him out isn't naming and shaming, it's letting youTube viewers know that you don't think his behavior is okay and trying to tell future viewers not to copy this behavior.

Regardless of what it is, I believe that if you put something on the internet, it is not only a right, but that it should be encouraged, for others to give an input on whether they believe your behavior is okay or not.

Penns3 votes

Lol that thread got deleted?

feelsbatman

FrankerX3 votes

yup :/

Anraton2 votes

Well .. even you didn't intend it ... you named a player with a questionable behaviour and as that ... it is a "naming and shaming" conflict ...

FrankerX5 votes

HE PUT THAT ON YOUTUBE this video has several 100.000 clicks like everyone on the boards here has seen this video!

XinZhao2WinNhao2 votes

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HE PUT THAT ON YOUTUBE this video has several 100.000 clicks like everyone on the boards here has seen this video!

Yeah, I don't even care how many clicks it gets.

If the put something on YouTube it's because they want to be seen, so there shouldn't be a problem with calling them out when they put themselves out on the internet to be commented on or seen by the world.

Same thing with streamers.

Anraton1 votes

Well ... indirectly that is the answer to your question ... as it is deleted because of an "naming and shaming" rule - it is NOT allowed

Trylobyte2 votes

I'm gonna guess it went something like this:

  1. You made your post.
  2. Your post got reported by a bunch of people who thought you were name-shaming.
  3. A mod looked over it and drew the same conclusion.
  4. You got a shiny new message.

Since we don't have the exact post in front of us we can't see what your word choice was, but it may have led quite a few people to a conclusion you didn't intend.

FrankerX2 votes

you got that right sir.

i can screen you the post, but it doesnt change much

Naramiel2 votes

While I didn't particularly love his post or the methods he was investigating, it was not remotely naming & shaming. Like, not at all.

Zielmann2 votes

You're the victim of a very persistent troll, plus... yeah, the mods going a bit overboard... Not sure you saw the other day when a particular person was making thread after thread calling you out specifically. Mods were playing whack-a-mole with the threads it seemed. I'd hope the player got a forum ban after 3-4 threads deleted for the same reason, but I don't know. I'd guess it was that guy (either on that account or an alt) who reported your thread.

FrankerX2 votes

i saw a guy opening 2 threads in a row where he said i deserve a permaban for my name. not sure how many times he reopened the same thread lol

Dominick Destine2 votes

Naming names is against the rules.

Troll for Trump1 votes

"Dominick Destine"

K, am I banned?

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