What's the point of a perma ban if toxicity still goes on?

Apollon FiV·Apr 11, 2019·1 votes·1,938 views

people who might flame maybe wont even get reported or banned and still flame. a banned guy will say "i've got 4 permas" as a badge and maybe get worse with each perma. why is riot keeping up with it? why they don't find another way to get the flame off? I really need a rioter to explain to me how permabans are working while we get nothing but flamers on every game, because as it seems to me, it's all about the money, not about the community.

permaban sounds more of a revenge from a player to a player. toxicity havent stopped and wont stop that way

im tired of playing with flamers every game.

24 Comments

YakshaApr 11, 201910 votes

What's the point of medicine if we're all going to die anyway

Apollon FiVApr 11, 20191 votes

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What's the point of medicine if we're all going to die anyway

I mean yes okay. but aren't they meant to do what's the best for the community? this isnt the best "medicine" of toxicity as it seems to me

rujitraApr 11, 20196 votes

The boards would love to see your ideas for better.

FULL SCRAMApr 11, 20191 votes

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rujitraApr 11, 20194 votes

In what way does that help punish toxicity in game?

FULL SCRAMApr 11, 20191 votes

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HotarµApr 11, 20192 votes

I'm sorry you can't understand the simple statement I made.

Except the topic at hand is about reducing in-game toxicity? You can take whatever jabs you want but ultimately you're the one not staying on topic or providing constructive solutions.

:^)

ZackTheWaffleManApr 11, 20191 votes

summoner 11

Imperial PandaaApr 11, 20192 votes

Kinda relevant.

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This isn't framed properly. Banning problem players means more people enjoy their experience. Not banning problem players means players will quit due to poor experiences.

Permanent mutes aren't an answer. Players that want to lash out and cannot due it via chat, will do it through other methods. We have a lot of data backing this up.

We don't want money from toxic players. We want them to stop playing.

Arcade LuluApr 11, 20195 votes

I mean, got any better ideas?

Apollon FiVApr 11, 20191 votes

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I mean, got any better ideas?

prevently language filter. a way to not letting a player to send a text with toxic and offensive words. permanently chat ban. a flamer will create another account to keep flame. no matter if he get a perma ban on an account..

Arcade LuluApr 11, 20191 votes

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prevently language filter. a way to not letting a player to send a text with toxic and offensive words. permanently chat ban. a flamer will create another account to keep flame. no matter if he get a perma ban on an account..

Language filter is impossible because there's million different ways to write a toxic word/sentence Permanent chat ban is a good-ish idea

Timethief49Apr 11, 20191 votes

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Language filter is impossible because there's million different ways to write a toxic word/sentence Permanent chat ban is a good-ish idea

Perma chatbans were tryed, people went on trolling and inting, which is harder to detect and just made the whole situation worse for everyone.

RallerenPApr 11, 20191 votes

prevently language filter. a way to not letting a player to send a text with toxic and offensive words.

Simply not possible. People will ALWAYS find a way to get around a filter. Always.

permanently chat ban.

When they had really long chat bans in the past, people started inting. Inting is more severe and harder to catch, so that's not really a great option.

Apollon FiVApr 11, 20191 votes

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Simply not possible. People will ALWAYS find a way to get around a filter. Always.

When they had really long chat bans in the past, people started inting. Inting is more severe and harder to catch, so that's not really a great option.

have you played csgo? there's something that is called overwatch system. here you can check about it: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7562-IPJN-1009#overwhat

GatekeeperTDSApr 11, 20191 votes

And just because this kind of system exists for CS:GO doesn't mean it will work for League. We had the Tribunal, it didn't work.

What's the playerbase of CS:GO compared to League? How many games per day would need to be reviewed? When can players expect to be punished after their bad behavior?

Those are the questions I can think of right now, I'm sure there are more. Is there any data published anywhere regarding CS:GO's system?

RallerenPApr 11, 20191 votes

Yeah, League had a similar system and it failed horribly.

It was a lot worse than the current system. It was slower, and had a larger rate of incorrectly given punishments.

CS:GOs playerbase consists of more engaged players, while League is a heavily casual game.

GatekeeperTDSApr 11, 20191 votes

The issue with toxic chat isn't bad words. You can fucking swear all you goddamn want and that doesn't make the shit toxic.

I find the majority of toxicity I encounter to be belligerent assholes who don't use a single swear. The people who tell everyone else how to play, bitch and complain in all chat, beg people to report other people, point out everyone's mistakes, and just display general douchebaggery without swearing, namecalling, or using any zero-tolerance phrases.

How do you get rid of those people?

GatekeeperTDSApr 11, 20195 votes

If you're looking for 100% removal of toxicity from your gaming experience, might I suggest single-player Minecraft?

Joking aside, we all understand where you're coming from, but these threads "zomg Riot's not doing anything" that pop up several times a day are a little tired - they can't give you a 100% aggravation-free gaming experience with a multiplayer online game. No company can.

No situation that deals with people is going to be 100% free from bad situations, assholes, and morons. Do you have a job? If so - you know that the asshole doesn't always get immediately fired, and may never get fired. Been to parties? Isn't there always one asshat who's too drunk, too loud, too stupid? Doesn't always get kicked out, does he?

Focus on your own experience and the positive interactions you have. Instead of the one jerk in the game, focus on the 8 others who are not jerks. Add them after games, play more with them.

BoltonatorApr 11, 20194 votes

How would YOU go about doing it then? Everyone seems to think they can do Riots job better yet dont ever actually do anything about it.

Think of how large the game is, how large the community is. I want you to imagine how many employees it would take to (literally) weed out every single case of toxic behavior, review every single offense without delay, manage gameplay balance when you have 100+ champions with different kits that vary in regard as to utility, damage, mobility and sustain, maintain their servers to accommodate a worldwide playerbase and still have time to occasionally post on the forums, host E-sports, make new skins, implement patches...

It’s easy for someone to say “Why aren’t they doing their job” but a completely near-sighted approach that, as history has shown, very rarely gains traction or creates its own change.

Timethief49Apr 11, 20191 votes

Afaik Riot said the vast majority of permabanned players doesnt come back. There simply isnt a different solution that works better. There have always been flamers and there will always be flamers. If it was about the money they wouldnt ban players or allow them to purchase a unban.