Does permaban actually works?

Apollon FiV·Apr 10, 2019·2 votes·2,520 views

So I recently got permabanned and I'm not saying, I got it so that means I overdid it with chat. But isnt a "permanent ban" too much and maybe not even working in some cases? Now, what I mean when I say it may dont work on some cases. I have played so so many times with teammates that claimed that they have been permabanned before. And their behavior didnt change at all I have to say. And what do I mean by saying "too much": I mean like, someone has put money on this game. Someone have been harrassed by someone and kinda gets triggered and responds with not a clear mind. I know I have a fault on this one, and whoever does it it's HIS fault, but everyone makes mistakes, that doesnt mean he should get prevented of playing the game.

What I really wanted to add as a suggestion, not only to get my permaban off. But also to like improve the game for real. because flamers never stopped, and a permaban will never stop them.

So 1st idea: perma chat ban So lets say. The flame goes on. Still goes on for a couple games. Perma chat ban. that will prevent the player from creating another account and keep flaming, and just go on without the ability of chating. pings and champ select chat is enough of communication for someone that talks offensive and does not help his team with the chat. or after a couple of chat bans perma chat ban !BUT! with 4-5 texts per a whole game.

2nd idea: prevently language filter (for all players) I mean riot, has set up a system which detects the toxic words. Insted of that they would use it someway to not let the player send a toxic message/text. It would detect a toxic word and a notification will tell you that this is not allowed. No player can send toxic words that way, with no way.

Like seriously stand a minute and think clearly about it. Before you think that I'm a dude that got perma'd and just want his account back. I can create another account. but what about the people that gets perma all over and over again and just wont stop being toxic? If the goal is to clear toxic off of the game, permaban is not a solution. I mean there are flamers that wont even get banned.

I'm talking SPECIFICALLY for CHAT BEHAVIORS

^up so we can get an actually clean game with no toxic chats. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

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27 Comments

Arcade LuluApr 10, 20194 votes

I mean, permaban does work Because if someone has spent a lot of time and money on their account, with a perma ban they lose it all It's a punishment (I know it sounds really bad when you think about it, but rules are rules) And then if you want to play again, you have to start on a fresh account, and some people quit which is riot's goal, to get the toxic people to quit the game

I honestly like the idea of a perma chat ban etc, but it's not gonna happen

Apollon FiVApr 10, 20191 votes

You have a point. But not everyone quits the game. And I pointed. Even someone who wont get a permaban, wont even get a chat ban. will maybe get toxic sometimes. with prevently language filter noone will be able to. and with permachat ban noone will create another account to get toxic all over again.

Arcade LuluApr 10, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Apollon FiV,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-10T22:47:49.235+0000)

You have a point. But not everyone quits the game. And I pointed. Even someone who wont get a permaban, wont even get a chat ban. will maybe get toxic sometimes. with prevently language filter noone will be able to. and with permachat ban noone will create another account to get toxic all over again.

I would honestly be happy if we had the ability to unbind our chat button because then you can't use the chat but you can still see the chat if someone is shot calling etc. Or even to just be able to change our chat button to something else

The permanent chat ban could work, but i don't think riot would do that

Apollon FiVApr 10, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-10T22:51:38.531+0000)

I would honestly be happy if we had the ability to unbind our chat button because then you can't use the chat but you can still see the chat if someone is shot calling etc. Or even to just be able to change our chat button to something else

The permanent chat ban could work, but i don't think riot would do that

You never know. I'm playing the game since season 2. I guarentee you that only 10-20% of my games were peaceful, with no flaming on my team or the enemy team. and numbers are maybe too high. perma does not help at all..

Arcade LuluApr 10, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Apollon FiV,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-10T22:54:47.604+0000)

You never know. I'm playing the game since season 2. I guarentee you that only 10-20% of my games were peaceful, with no flaming on my team or the enemy team. and numbers are maybe too high. perma does not help at all..

Luckily most of the time nowadays i play with a full premade so i can just chill without toxicity

Apollon FiVApr 10, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-10T22:56:37.334+0000)

Luckily most of the time nowadays i play with a full premade so i can just chill without toxicity

well, that's the only way to prevent it. but what about solo/duo queues where things are more competitive and people are taking it seriously?

Arcade LuluApr 11, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Apollon FiV,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-10T22:58:33.807+0000)

well, that's the only way to prevent it. but what about solo/duo queues where things are more competitive and people are taking it seriously?

i mean, i NEVER play solo I usually duo with my friends (I have REALLY ban luck with my teams) So the toxicity doesn't really affect me there either because it's just fun to laugh at toxic people with my friend

rujitraApr 10, 20193 votes

So.. because not everyone quits the game, Riot shouldn’t encourage anyone to?

That’s like saying “because police don’t catch all the murderers/kidnappers/shoplifters/whatever they shouldn’t even punish the ones that they do catch”.

Apollon FiVApr 10, 20191 votes

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So.. because not everyone quits the game, Riot shouldn’t encourage anyone to?

That’s like saying “because police don’t catch all the murderers/kidnappers/shoplifters/whatever they shouldn’t even punish the ones that they do catch”.

you didnt catch my point. read again

GatekeeperTDSApr 11, 20191 votes

He caught your point just fine. He doesn't agree with your point.

kushinshinApr 11, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Apollon FiV,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-10T23:28:53.996+0000)

you didnt catch my point. read again

You need to explain it more simply for him.

Apollon FiVApr 10, 20191 votes

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So.. because not everyone quits the game, Riot shouldn’t encourage anyone to?

That’s like saying “because police don’t catch all the murderers/kidnappers/shoplifters/whatever they shouldn’t even punish the ones that they do catch”.

you didnt catch my point. read again

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So.. because not everyone quits the game, Riot shouldn’t encourage anyone to?

That’s like saying “because police don’t catch all the murderers/kidnappers/shoplifters/whatever they shouldn’t even punish the ones that they do catch”.

you sound more of a revenger. but isnt the main goal to get toxic off of the game?

I guess so

rujitraApr 10, 20192 votes

Yes, which convincing people to leave the game does. Removing chat does not “get toxic off the game”. It just makes them be toxic in other ways that are harder to detect AND hinders team communication.

Apollon FiVApr 11, 20191 votes

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Yes, which convincing people to leave the game does. Removing chat does not “get toxic off the game”. It just makes them be toxic in other ways that are harder to detect AND hinders team communication.

I said removing chat for the flamers. Its a punishment instead of getting a perma. pings are what a player need to team communicate

bluefire mark 2Apr 10, 20192 votes

Honestly, most toxic people just get angry about it, make a new accoun anyway, or buy one, then take their anger out on more people. Riots perm banned quite a lot, but have you noticed the game getting any less toxic? I surely haven't. Which obviously means it isn't doing its job in some way.

Arcade LuluApr 10, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-04-10T22:48:21.151+0000)

Honestly, most toxic people just get angry about it, make a new accoun anyway, or buy one, then take their anger out on more people. Riots perm banned quite a lot, but have you noticed the game getting any less toxic? I surely haven't. Which obviously means it isn't doing its job in some way.

That's true but do you have a better idea?

Apollon FiVApr 10, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-10T22:49:35.254+0000)

That's true but do you have a better idea?

That's the point of this discussion. I'm trying to give some ideas to rioters.

bluefire mark 2Apr 10, 20191 votes

Not really, because I'm not focusing on this to solve it. There are ideas out there already, like just removing chat, or locking the amount of time the account is able to play, but every single thing we can possibly think of has the one same flaw- they can just make a new account. As i did, except I'm not toxic. I got a punishment once a month for grtting mad at people for saying I'm bad, inting, etc. Hardly fair of a permanent, and that's what I'm focused on. Not the change of punishment itself, but how strict the system is. Anyway, i don't have the best thoughts on the subject, but there are definitely better things then just perm banning someone that riot tells you to mute.

kushinshinApr 11, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-10T22:49:35.254+0000)

That's true but do you have a better idea?

Ban the safe spacers instead.

Arcade LuluApr 11, 20191 votes

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Ban the safe spacers instead.

And how would that reduce toxicity in any way? xD

Apollon FiVApr 10, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-04-10T22:48:21.151+0000)

Honestly, most toxic people just get angry about it, make a new accoun anyway, or buy one, then take their anger out on more people. Riots perm banned quite a lot, but have you noticed the game getting any less toxic? I surely haven't. Which obviously means it isn't doing its job in some way.

Agreed.. They be like "oh i have already been perma'd so i dont care" (and say that in strong lanuage not in that way)

CharDeeMcDennizApr 11, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-04-10T22:48:21.151+0000)

Honestly, most toxic people just get angry about it, make a new accoun anyway, or buy one

citation needed for this

Elite4RunnerApr 10, 20192 votes

Several issues with the idea of permanent chat ban... First, people with a chat ban will find other ways of trolling in game. Feeding, going afk, forcing lane swaps, .. the issue isn't with the player's ability to chat, it is with a player's inability to stop themselves from acting out. Unfortunately, Riot can't make someone grow up, but they can take steps to minimize the way this will negatively impact other players. The process they have is far from perfect, but it is there none-the-less.

The other issue I see is that you are underestimating the fact that people do have the desire to behave in a toxic way. I agree that there are probably many people who have received punishment from minor issues, but in those cases, their minor issues must be occurring with a high frequency in order to result in a permanent ban. Otherwise, they are receiving these bans as a result of extreme, and publicly known to be unacceptable, toxicity. However, there are still more people out there that do this on purpose because they feel they can get away with it, .. and sadly, they can. You said yourself, they can create a new account and continue to play with little to no punishment other than needing to start over and losing the content they paid for. I have zero doubt that there would be people that would have no issue with starting a new account just so they can trash talk players in chat again if they receive a permanent chat ban.

This is sadly how people are, and it doesn't help that the target age group includes people who are prone to this behavior.

Would I like to see improvement? Absolutely!

Do I think Riot could ever create a "clean game with no toxic chats" ? .. Probably not. :/

Apollon FiVApr 10, 20191 votes

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Several issues with the idea of permanent chat ban... First, people with a chat ban will find other ways of trolling in game. Feeding, going afk, forcing lane swaps, .. the issue isn't with the player's ability to chat, it is with a player's inability to stop themselves from acting out. Unfortunately, Riot can't make someone grow up, but they can take steps to minimize the way this will negatively impact other players. The process they have is far from perfect, but it is there none-the-less.

The other issue I see is that you are underestimating the fact that people do have the desire to behave in a toxic way. I agree that there are probably many people who have received punishment from minor issues, but in those cases, their minor issues must be occurring with a high frequency in order to result in a permanent ban. Otherwise, they are receiving these bans as a result of extreme, and publicly known to be unacceptable, toxicity. However, there are still more people out there that do this on purpose because they feel they can get away with it, .. and sadly, they can. You said yourself, they can create a new account and continue to play with little to no punishment other than needing to start over and losing the content they paid for. I have zero doubt that there would be people that would have no issue with starting a new account just so they can trash talk players in chat again if they receive a permanent chat ban.

This is sadly how people are, and it doesn't help that the target age group includes people who are prone to this behavior.

Would I like to see improvement? Absolutely!

Do I think Riot could ever create a "clean game with no toxic chats" ? .. Probably not. :/

I agree for trollers etc, and wrote on caps that this discussion is for chat behavior only.

I know someone has to get many times banned before the permaban. But as you said people will start a new account. My main goal is to actually give some ideas, and prevent that. Obviously my ideas are not complete. But rioters can think about it and put on their own ideas and actually create something that actually helps. That's my goal, not to get my perma off, I want a better game, without the negative atmosphere.

Elite4RunnerApr 11, 20191 votes

Why do you think people would be willing to create a new account to circumvent the permaban, but they wouldn't create a new account so that they can troll in chat too?

Icy Hot ShotoApr 11, 20191 votes

Riot actually used to do constant chat bans. But they changed it because players would rack up a ton of chat bans, and just troll in other ways such as inting, following other laners/jglr around, stealing cs/camps, baiting teammates...

In the end, it was determined that if they can't stop being toxic at all Riot doesn't want them here.

Telephone BoothApr 12, 20191 votes

Who knows? Does it get rid of toxicity completely? No. Would any form of punishment do that? No. Is it the best punishment system? Probably not. Has anyone come up with the perfect punishment system? Probably not. Could any punishment system satisfy everyone? Hell no. Does their system stop players from leaving their game? No. Would perma chat bans? No, they didnt. Should the game stop being free to play to make punishments a bigger deal? Yes. Is that just my personal opinion? Yes. Does everyone share that opinion? No. Does everyone share your personal opinion? No. So what should we do? Just go with your way? Or mine? Or should Riot come up with their own way to maximize profit as much as they can and we should just learn the rules and follow them, or stop playing? What do we do man? Perma chat bans just cuz then you could play still, even though it didnt work? Its a god damn conundrum with no perfect solution.