Surrender Votes & Duo Queues (Rant)

Umbral Regent··2 votes·387 views

So, I've played plenty of matches of League of Legends, had my fair share of clear-cut losses and turnarounds both, but gods almighty there seems to be one universal constant whenever a Surrender Vote pops up that never ceases to tilt me to the point where I'm just done for a while: Duo Queues.

I have no idea what it is with these people, that compulsively vote "no" on Surrender Votes as a duo queue, very clearly in spite of the visible loss the team as a whole is suffering. It's always ever when a loss is inevitable, that the enemy team very clearly has a better comp or just plain outskills our own, that when there's a duo queue in the match, they will always vote "no".

It irritates me to no end to see this, because I always try to self-moderate, and whenever I start getting hard losses, I take breaks, but these paired-up griefers always make the matches way, way worse and way, way longer than it needs to be, and I LOATHE having to spend more time cooling down because of these people.

In my most recent match (I got Jungle, but traded Mid under the knowledge that he was wanting to get better at it and I needed to shake of rust on Midlane), where our top laner had connection issues, my lane was lost because of Cho'Gath cheese, and jungle/bottom lane were relatively well-off, but our top laner's connection issues and Cho'Gath getting fed made it clear to all of us that there wasn't any chance of winning that match.

And of course, the bottom lane is a duo queue, and they vote "no". No, no, no, no no no. No surrender, just agony and painstakingly slow losses. And post-game, their reason for voting no on every single surrender vote that came up?

"i just wanted to play a game lol"

That is the most idiotic and half-assed reason for voting "no" that I have EVER seen. And the enemy team even defended them, saying "lol it's not ranked dude" - but that is well beside the point.

You Surrender when you know you can't win, and when you need to get out of the match without more vainglorious attempts to turn anything around, not to stop a game.

And further - Why come to NORMALS to "play a game"? If you want to play a game and don't care to win, TAKE IT TO BOTS OR CUSTOMS, NOT NORMALS. Some people WANT to win, and some people WANT to get out of matches that they know they CAN'T WIN so they don't have to get tilted off the face of the earth from some long, dragged-out loss.

It annoys the living Hell out of me that whenever a Surrender vote comes up, it's always the duo queues who decide the outcome, and the outcome is always "no".

I apologize for the coarseness, but I really had to get that off my chest.

15 Comments

Jo0o2 votes

As a frequent duo-queuer, I often find myself in a position to carry the game back from a losing position with the help of my duo partner. That's honest incentive to vote "no" that has nothing to do with griefing.

(And not directly related, but you seem really competitive regarding normals. Aren't normals the NON-competitive option? It would be one thing if you were enraged at somebody's refusal to take ranked seriously, but come on...)

Umbral Regent1 votes

I may take it a little too seriously, but I do try to keep a level head about it. If the match looks do-able, I'll just stick to the match - if it looks like its turning too far in the enemy's favor, I'll pop a surrender vote, and if it's just overwhelmingly bad, like the match mentioned in the rant, I just want to get the hell out of it.

At the core, though, I've seldom found any duo queue capable of carrying anything, and all they've done was just drag a losing match out longer. Someone like you would be a godsend in these kinds of matches, but unfortunately most of the duo queues I meet aren't carries.

Ark Sorcerer2 votes

I just had a game where the enemy team destroy ever turret of ours and we had two destroyed inhibitors. We managed to not only stall that out but also win the game because our late game team fight was better, I guess.

You are complaining as though winning is impossible, and here we had an open Nexus and won that game.

Umbral Regent1 votes

It was impossible. Your case and this case aren't the same thing. To break it down:

  • I was playing a role I hadn't played in a while, and wasn't used to (Mid, Ekko)
  • Our Jungler (Hecarim) was still generally learning to better play Jungle
  • Our Top-Laner (Irelia) had connection issues for the first half of the match
  • The enemy Mid-Lane (Cho'Gath) got FED
  • The enemy Top-Lane (Yorick) got fed and had a free lane for the first half of the match
  • And the enemy team comp was chock-full of tanks and juggernauts and high-damage marksmen (Yorick, Kindred, Cho'Gath, Maokai, Kalista)
  • While My team had no tank-breakers (Irelia, Hecarim, Ekko, Xayah, Zyra)
  • We couldn't even take one tower while the enemy team was roaming

We couldn't win, it was impossible. Just because you managed to get a lucky turnaround doesn't mean that every game can.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

My game was not luck, that was pure stupidity on the enemy side (they were all in the same club).

Wait... the enemy has no AP mage... so they had minimal utility and range... Granted harder to kill but they lack a proper comp to guarantee a win.

I mean, fine, if that game was impossible to win, surrender. Fine. Whatever. Just do not go surrender every match that seems to be going south because it is possible to tun it around.

Umbral Regent1 votes

You don't need a well-rounded comp to win, and I don't drop surrender votes every time something starts going south. You're also still missing the point of the rant: Duo Queues either intentionally dragging out losses, or just not knowing when a match is lost.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

I have been in a duo queue (rarely) and sometimes my partner starts the voting for a surrender. I usually either do not vote or vote no.

Hawckey1 votes

Cry more kid. Norms are not the place to get mad when you lose. Custom or bots is the most boring thing of this game and is a 100% win no matter what. How bout you play ranked if you are there to only win? lmao

Umbral Regent1 votes

Clearly, you didn't read the entirety of the rant. I don't get mad when I lose: I get mad when a loss is very, very clear, and people vote "no" and drag the match out.

Allow me to reiterate: It's not the loss that bothers me, it's people ignoring a match going too far south, and dragging out what would otherwise be a normal loss.

How 'bout you read the full post before commenting?

Hawckey1 votes

If you don't care whether you lose or not then why does it matter at what point of the game you surrender lmao

Umbral Regent1 votes

Because it's natural to not want to lose? And that it's natural to want an obvious loss to be a quick one? Nobody in their right mind likes to have to suffer through something they know is a bust, and surrendering as soon as it becomes apparent prevents the game from becoming needlessly tilting.

Like, it's basic human nature to hate losing, and it's basically assured that you're going to lose matches, but there's no reason that a loss should take 35+ minutes when it could've only just taken 18-20. A quick loss stings, but a long, dragged out loss is annoying, grating, and infuriating.

Although, I suppose I differ from the community at large, since my mentality is "make losses quick to move on to new victories" instead of "never surrender lmao".

Hawckey1 votes

I could understand your reasoning if you were talking about ranked. But in norms who gives a shit, you were probably there to practice a champ or screw around in the first place

Umbral Regent1 votes

Actually, half of the time I'm striving to increase Mastery Progression on Champions. Namely, past 5, where S ranks are required and losses tend to affect the outcome of those scores.

Breaku1 votes

Surrender a normal game? lol why. I'm in normals for fun or to practice flash combos.

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