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when you dont help your jungler against invades

Qiyana Ixaocan··1 votes·3,281 views

and help defend as the enemy jungler continuously invades then you deserve to lose. Your jungler has every right to not help you and just farm. After all you didnt help them and teamwork works two ways.

They cant tell you off for being worthless and they cant leave and you wont surrender. So you deserve the loss you will get.

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GatekeeperTDS3 votes

We desperately need the downvote button back.

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rujitra3 votes

While you are perfectly correct, as you say, it's a two way street here. You are suggesting that it is a one way street - they must help you when you're invaded or they deserve to lose. In fact, your combative behavior and anti-teamwork is what makes you deserve to lose - while everyone should strive to help their teammates as much as possible, they are under no obligation to simply be a slave to you in the jungle. There are many good reasons a laner may decide to stay in lane even when you are getting invaded - and you don't have some "right" to make them lose CS, and experience, simply to come help you.

Qiyana Ixaocan1 votes

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While you are perfectly correct, as you say, it's a two way street here. You are suggesting that it is a one way street - they must help you when you're invaded or they deserve to lose. In fact, your combative behavior and anti-teamwork is what makes you deserve to lose - while everyone should strive to help their teammates as much as possible, they are under no obligation to simply be a slave to you in the jungle. There are many good reasons a laner may decide to stay in lane even when you are getting invaded - and you don't have some "right" to make them lose CS, and experience, simply to come help you.

and they dont get to complain when im 3 levels behind cause they made that choice and dont EVER help them.

rujitra2 votes

If you're three levels behind simply due to invades, it's because you are not adapting properly. One level behind is understandable, two may even be possible in rare instances, but if you're an entire 3 levels behind it's because you're not adapting to the game well enough.

Whereclowalk1 votes

Your such a contrarian everywhere i see you. When i smurf if enemy team has the laners OP is talking about i am always 3-5 levels on the enemy jg and the game is over. People don't like to admit this or refuse to believe it but early game you have to play around/help your jg.

NF Remilia2 votes

Well, if for example enemy toplane crashing 2 waves of minions and has lane prio , theres no way your toplaner to come and help you.
If he comes , he will be behind on levels which means he will be weaker than enemy toplaner and if he dies he will lose 2 waves worth of minions. On top of that even if he survives and you achieve nothing he still loses a lot of minions.

Emperør Rhaast2 votes

Well, yes.

But when my jungler randomly runs it down my lane, ints my laner 3 kills while i was already in a difficult matchup, and sets me behind, then I have 0 reason or incentive to go help him when he's getting invaded. And let's not talk about the entitled PoS jungle players who flame for "no help wtf" when they invade when his lanes are Kayle vs Teemo and Kassadin vs Qiyana, or flames for not helping when he's being invaded, decides to fight it when he's playing Amumu into Lee Sin and he sees the enemy laners leaving whilst his laners are on 30% hp and mana. Fuck jungle players honestly, 97% of them are entitled douchebags. Whenever there's an afk/ragequitter it's almost always the jungler.

Y ì1 votes

Always the complete opposite to me. Fuck laners. Y'all only ever blame me if a single bad thing happens in your lane. Enemy jungle ganks you because you had no vision? "Jungle diff". Die solo in lane? "No gank wtf?". Pushed up all lane and constantly getting ganked? "Jungle diff, just fucking gank". I only ever see laners making excuses for why they lost lane purely because of the jungler. Now to be clear, I'm not saying junglers can't do anything bad. They obviously mess up, and so does everyone else. On the same note, I'm not calling all laners bad either. I've had plenty of games where I will get absolutely carried by my laners while I sit back and farm. The thing is, calling 97% of junglers "entitled douchebags" is just rage filled and purely incorrect, based completely on your games played in Silver 3. It's still a problem when you get into higher(ish) elo, but you don't as commonly see your jungler or laners getting 15 death games. Everything in platinum and below is honestly a frick fest. I would add diamond but I've never been that high, so I'm not 100% sure.

Emperør Rhaast2 votes

I mean...let's just look at some of my last few junglers... My last jungler went 1/13 while crying that everyone was flaming him (no one was except the top laner that threatened to troll)

Before that, 3/16 Yi that build fucking Cinderhulk. Cinder-Fucking-Hulk Yi. Don't need to say anything more about that. He also cried all game in turkish btw

Before that, J4 who inted every fight and blamed everyone...

Not all my junglers are bad like this, but the ones that are usually int, whether by just dying repeatedly or point blank refusing to do any objectives, then proceed to blame people. "Wahh, my 30% HP and mana level 4 Anivia who's laning against a Fizz with no summs didn't flock (excuse the pun) to help me in an invade when I'm playing Qiyana jungle against Warwick/Lee/literally any early game jungler! Wahh!"

"Wtf????? My Kog/Janna botlane who are low didn't come help me on dragon! We lost dragon cause this botlane is shit with 0 map awareness ggwp report bot!"

Shit like that. Also I was G2 during preseason, in season 10 I really couldnt care less about ranked. I lost a very, very big portion of my love for both Riot and Lol after they absolutely decimated my precious main, my favorite champion, Aurelion Sol, with a completely unneeded and unwanted rework. I'm now dedicating the rest of my LoL career to demanding a revert.

NickColaTesla 2 votes

This is the problem with jungle mains. They act like entitled sparkles because they play a trash role that's still necessary to with the game LMAO.

If I play Darius in top, and you're getting invaded on the opposite side of the map, I'm sorry. I'm not helping. I don't take TP on Darius, and it's not a good idea to do all ins level 1. If I were playing Sion, that would be a different story.

Zerenza1 votes

That's fair, i don't expect the Toplaner to TP to help me unless there's like 3 people in my jungle and a huge fight is happening/were nearly winning it.

I do expect my toplaner to help me when i'm being invaded on the top side of the map though, waves are in good position ect. Priority is what normally dictates whether a jungler can/can't do something and a lot of laner's don't know what Priority is. If you have Priority in a lane it means that your laner is shoving the enemy laner in/in a winning position, having priority is important because if you don't have priority and you want to invade, you get collapsed on. If you want to get scuttle and don't have priority you get collapsed on, if you want to get objectives and don't have priority you either die trying or get lucky and steal it away.

A lot of people don't understand the dynamic between Jungle and their Lane's. Sure the role easily has the highest early game impact, but it's also the most fragile and binary. Getting invaded constantly with no help from a laner who has priority is basically you saying "I'm not helping you." then your jungler ends up further and further behind because they can't get any gold/exp and catchup EXP was removed.

What's bad about this is that the Jungler has to deal with all that flame because they lost all their impact, just one invade can really screw over the jungler for the rest of the game and laner's don't understand that. In lane you have a Safe Spot, your tower, Jungler's don't get that they also get the same EXP as supports and have to deal with being the primary Objective Controler, the Support and the Early Game carry despite being 2 levels behind and having less gold than everyone else in the game.

Jungle is hard, i like it how it is right now for the most part i just wish being invaded wasn't such an instant loss.

Y ì1 votes

Amen

LanceTheJungler1 votes

You can't just always help with invades. Sometimes you simply don't have lane priority. In solo que it's basically mandatory you play some shit like Warwick or Olaf that can always win 1v1's. Stuff like Gragas just doesn't work well. Actually for that exact reason I think is why you see so many Udyr's in low elo. Because no one really wins 1v1 vs him, and he's easy.

FeedKaylePlease1 votes

LANE PRIORITY!!!!! OMG WHEN WILL JUNGLERS LEARN ABOUT THIS!!!!

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