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To all the players who hate "autolockers".

Pantheon Forever··17 votes·4,575 views
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I played since season 1, and in season 2 started to play ranked. I started with filling because that's what the best players recommended. This led me down a dark path to the bottom of bronze 5, in to the depths of elo hell. Anyways in season 3 I determined that instead I would pick a main and have to learn how to get good enough to carry players who rage, troll, afk in order to climb since this happens 100% of games in bronze (even when I tried to fill in the past).

So I proceeded to play Pantheon every game since season 3. I played him and name changed to SoloTopPantheon / PantheonSoloTop in season 4 and started moving up and down in bronze finally. And in season 5 I name changed to Middle Pantheon / Pantheon Middle and recently hit silver on both accounts. The "average player still labels me a troll and tries to force me into things I will not do. Despite 100% of my games being reported for having an unpopular methodology I have earned my good behavior icon on both accounts and received no bans or chat restrictions since picking my main in season 3. I have played this way for 1000+ games on 2 accounts, yet every game some "new jack" tries to explain how i will lose and get banned then proceed to insult me and break the T.O.S. themselves.

Anyways congratulations to me for climbing up to silver, I now know the path to enlightenment and look forward to dynamic queue. I am so pleased that riot is embracing my style formally. With a group of 2 friends I can be guaranteed my spot and riot claims to implement detectors to auto frag players who steal my lane. Good job riot I am a happy summoner.

(I listen to this every time I solo queue)

http://listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=dKSJN3WWR3E#Nas_-_Hate_Me_Now_ft._Puff_Daddy

I played the roll/champion indicated by my name every game

160 Comments

LukeTheSheppy10 votes

Been playing since Season 1. Plays one champion. Has climbed from B5-S5. Started from the bottom now we still pretty low

Pantheon Forever2 votes

{quoted}

Been playing since Season 1. Plays one champion. Has climbed from B5-S5. Started from the bottom now we still pretty low

Yes I am very low rank still, I'm not here to claim league champion, I'm here to discuss how I am improving and the behaviors I encountered along the way.

LukeTheSheppy5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pantheon Middle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2015-12-17T19:18:51.942+0000)

Yes I am very low rank still, I'm not here to claim league champion, I'm here to discuss how I am improving and the behaviors I encountered along the way.

Judging by the fact that you're stacking BF swords, you might as well still be Bronze, friend. It's extremely gold inefficient.

Pantheon Forever3 votes

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Judging by the fact that you're stacking BF swords, you might as well still be Bronze, friend. It's extremely gold inefficient.

Actually with season 6 introduction of mastery Deathfire Touch the B.F. Sword give more cost effective damage boost than the items it builds into. Pantheons "Q" gives 140% bonus AD + 66.5% bonus from mastery. (Something you may not know if you play a new champion every game.)

LukeTheSheppy5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pantheon Middle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-17T19:30:49.116+0000)

Actually with season 6 introduction of mastery Deathfire Touch the B.F. Sword give more cost effective damage boost than the items it builds into. Pantheons "Q" gives 140% bonus AD + 66.5% bonus from mastery. (Something you may not know if you play a new champion every game.)

Holy Bronze Batman

Pantheon Forever3 votes

{quoted}

Holy Bronze Batman

Actually I'm silver now![slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

LukeTheSheppy6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pantheon Middle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=000900000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-12-17T19:49:51.535+0000)

Actually I'm silver now![slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

With the Bronze knowledge of the game

Randomonium8 votes

That's actually really pathetic that you are a one trick pony who can't even get out of silver after 3 seasons. Any rage I could feel towards you for being a champion select douche has been cancelled out for the pity I feel for you for failing so hard at this game.

Korillo5 votes

This guy enjoys trolling the forum just as much as he enjoys trolling the game

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Korillo4 votes

Are you saying you auto lock pantheon no matter what? Like do you take mid or top even if someone already took one of those roles? Or do you support pantheon, adc pantheon, jungle pantheon etc when needed?

Pantheon Forever3 votes

{quoted}

Are you saying you auto lock pantheon no matter what? Like do you take mid or top even if someone already took one of those roles? Or do you support pantheon, adc pantheon, jungle pantheon etc when needed?

When I was SoloTopPantheon / PantheonSoloTop i was top every game. Now that I am Pantheon Middle / Middle Pantheon I am mid every game. (In season 3 I played 100 games of pantheon in each roll before I picked which roll I was going to main.)

Twink Lover 699 votes

Please see that you CANNOT always get your own way.

There is a pick order for a reason.

I seriously hope that whatever it is that is going on inside your head is not somehow a reflection of the school systems of the area that you live within. Your manner of processing thoughts is so odd, I fear for the problems it will present you in real life situations.

Pantheon Forever4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Prince of Punjab,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2015-12-17T19:10:53.032+0000)

Please see that you CANNOT always get your own way.

There is a pick order for a reason.

I seriously hope that whatever it is that is going on inside your head is not somehow a reflection of the school systems of the area that you live within. Your manner of processing thoughts is so odd, I fear for the problems it will present you in real life situations.

Pick order is not a rule, its a guideline, It is not followed by most players in bronze hence me finding an alternative approach and thus improving. I know I can not always get my way which is why I leveled up two accounts so I can dodge if Pantheon gets picked or banned. If I dodged every time the team disagreed I would never play again (Haven't seen team agree since season 1 before meta was such a popular word). Your misinterpretation of the rules is not somehow my shortfall.

FlowBlade5 votes

So your pretty much one of those trolls who picks panth mid even though there's already someone who's going mid?

Korillo3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pantheon Middle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2015-12-17T18:56:40.873+0000)

When I was SoloTopPantheon / PantheonSoloTop i was top every game. Now that I am Pantheon Middle / Middle Pantheon I am mid every game. (In season 3 I played 100 games of pantheon in each roll before I picked which roll I was going to main.)

yikes

Twink Lover 695 votes

He is saying if he is last pick and first pick took mid, he will go mid anyway. Because in his eyes that isn't wrong. LOL. Biggest troll NA. This guy deserves a ban. How has he not been banned yet is my real question.

Pantheon Forever4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Prince of Punjab,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2015-12-17T18:59:05.898+0000)

He is saying if he is last pick and first pick took mid, he will go mid anyway. Because in his eyes that isn't wrong. LOL. Biggest troll NA. This guy deserves a ban. How has he not been banned yet is my real question.

You say this but in my last 10 matches as first pick we still went double middle, I can not report them because they did not violate any rules (neither did I). All I'm saying is since the teams are always dysfunctional I'm best of to play my favorite champion in his best roll to have the highest chance to win.

FlowBlade5 votes

SO WAIT. At first I thought if mid was open you would just autolock Pantheon mid but now your saying you do it even if mid taken? That's trolling bro and 100% ban worthy if that's the case.

PROJECT Fizz4 votes

I'm sorry if this comes across as offensive, but honestly you suck at league. I could care less how good you are at mid, you suck at league. It's not called league of mid. L2p

Pantheon Forever3 votes

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I'm sorry if this comes across as offensive, but honestly you suck at league. I could care less how good you are at mid, you suck at league. It's not called league of mid. L2p

Strange I though a LCS team was named off of that exact premise. (team solo mid)

PROJECT Fizz3 votes

Swing, and a miss. I was talking about YOU. LCS players have the ability of being in a team together, you on the other hand are technically trolling people you don't know.

Pantheon Forever3 votes

{quoted}

Swing, and a miss. I was talking about YOU. LCS players have the ability of being in a team together, you on the other hand are technically trolling people you don't know.

http://imgur.com/QcK5Snx

PROJECT Fizz3 votes

I'm sorry, but that didn't help u

PROJECT Fizz3 votes

Swing and another miss! One more strike, and ur out!

1011001110003 votes

Considering how I'm basically a fill player who managed to crack Gold 5 in less time and effort than it took you to somehow edge out Silver with only Panth, I don't understand how playing fill is bad.

Bandit King Z1 votes

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Considering how I'm basically a fill player who managed to crack Gold 5 in less time and effort than it took you to somehow edge out Silver with only Panth, I don't understand how playing fill is bad.

From what I can understand, it's because he's not good at it, therefore he forces his method of playing on everyone else so he can play to his maximum capacity.

Forever Pantheon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bandit King Z,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=00180000,timestamp=2015-12-18T00:04:59.419+0000)

From what I can understand, it's because he's not good at it, therefore he forces his method of playing on everyone else so he can play to his maximum capacity.

Filling isn't bad its an alternative method which isn't working for me as I have a different play style and methodology.

1011001110004 votes

No, filling isn't an "alternative method". You have to be mechanically bad and have a very shallow understanding of gameplay mechanics to not be able to fill properly enough to hit 1200 elo/Silver 3 with average performance, despite having a main role.

The only way you hit Bronze 5 by filling is by being bad. It's that simple.

Forever Pantheon1 votes

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No, filling isn't an "alternative method". You have to be mechanically bad and have a very shallow understanding of gameplay mechanics to not be able to fill properly enough to hit 1200 elo/Silver 3 with average performance, despite having a main role.

The only way you hit Bronze 5 by filling is by being bad. It's that simple.

Yet ranked is meant to be played by any skill even those of us who you claim are bad. At no point did you explain how maximizing my strengths to achieve more is wrong, if anything you just reinforced my belief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o1OGXQ8OpI

1011001110002 votes

Because you're not maximizing any strength at all. Anybody can be a jackass and main a single champion into gold/plat if they try hard enough, but they'll still be shit tier with every other champion in the game unless they bother to learn them.

This is why League requires you to have a minimum of 16 champions to enter ranked. SO that, aside from getting banned out of the game entirely, you can pick multiple champions that can fulfill multiple roles as needed. It's a team game, play like it.

Forever Pantheon1 votes

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Because you're not maximizing any strength at all. Anybody can be a jackass and main a single champion into gold/plat if they try hard enough, but they'll still be shit tier with every other champion in the game unless they bother to learn them.

This is why League requires you to have a minimum of 16 champions to enter ranked. SO that, aside from getting banned out of the game entirely, you can pick multiple champions that can fulfill multiple roles as needed. It's a team game, play like it.

I'm strong with Pantheon, playing him most certainly is maximizing my strength. Alternatively playing Tairc because my team demanded it, ignoring the premise of why is counter productive towards winning. You admit I would be shit at anything else and being shit on purpose is considered intentional feeding and report worthy. Basically I half to play Pantheon according to your argument.

Who I play does not determine if I'm a team player or not, how I play does. I roam to help weaker ally's, and group to force objectives, you disliking my methodology is not a proof of anything.

1011001110002 votes

No, you have to learn how to play other champions according to my argument. At least understand them at a basic level. Combos, outs, potential off-builds, etc. Not everything, but enough to get by.

And who you pick according to your team's picks does as well. Forcing a duo mid because you refuse to play nothing but panth mid or top is just as bad as anything else.

Twink Lover 692 votes

So you've played since season 1.... Pantheon primarily now for what? 4 seasons? Yet you're only Silver? I don't know man. If I saw a guy going Pantheon mid with 800+ Ranked games played on him and he is still in Silver.... I would highly assume you were trolling too. Just my honest opinion here.

Pantheon Forever4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Prince of Punjab,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-12-17T18:30:11.791+0000)

So you've played since season 1.... Pantheon primarily now for what? 4 seasons? Yet you're only Silver? I don't know man. If I saw a guy going Pantheon mid with 800+ Ranked games played on him and he is still in Silver.... I would highly assume you were trolling too. Just my honest opinion here.

Here's a recent game I played with a duo, One player raged all game asking to get me reported, one player fed all game (admitted to it in post game lobby), and one player disconnected after first death. All I did was try my best and win and when I did the player who was raging took back all they said apologized and added me. I made a friend out of an enemy just by being me. It takes me a while to climb when this is how most games play out for me (even when I would fill it was happening every game). I just decided to try and get good in a different way than you, how does this make me a troll?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2033574321/35442170?tab=overview

(Look how far behind we were at 20:00 when the surrender votes started to fly out on cool down.)

Twink Lover 692 votes

Yeah, bad games happen. They always will, even if you're in diamond or master tier. Also, blaming or citing random matches that went wrong have no merit due to the fact that you aren't also citing the games that you got hard carried while farming in lane.

Nagoh Shan2 votes

Auto-locking/Role-or-troll and playing off meta are two different things.

If you're saying you play your champ/role regardless of picks ahead of you, troll champ select to get your role, or fish for a dodge when you're last pick, then that is toxic.

If you're saying you play Pantheon mid whenever you get the opportunity, but will fill other roles when needed then whatever, that's not that big a deal.

Pantheon Forever3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nagoh Shan,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-12-17T18:44:43.450+0000)

Auto-locking/Role-or-troll and playing off meta are two different things.

If you're saying you play your champ/role regardless of picks ahead of you, troll champ select to get your role, or fish for a dodge when you're last pick, then that is toxic.

If you're saying you play Pantheon mid whenever you get the opportunity, but will fill other roles when needed then whatever, that's not that big a deal.

I don't roll or troll, all 4 of my promo games on one account we're double mid, and all but one (which was a 4v5) were double mid on other account. Me going mid is not trolling even if someone else wants it too. Only if I feed, rage, cry, harass, abuse, or otherwise reflect negatively on it would I (or riot) consider it trolling. Just because we both want something doesn't mean someone losses out, it means me must be willing to adjust. (I adjust by picking different items, runes, and mastery points) even if you choose a different route (like changing lane, or champion).

Nagoh Shan2 votes

Just because you don't consider it trolling doesn't mean it isn't.

You are not willing to adjust, that's the point, you refuse to adjust to a pick order or team comp that doesn't fit with the role/champ you want, so you say "Screw all you other people, I'm doing what I want, YOU adjust because I refuse to"

Sometimes you won't get the role you want. The behavior you've chosen to deal with that fact is negative and considered toxic. I would report in that situation. You can act all dismissive if you'd like, may make you feel better about negatively impacting the games of so many people, but it won't change the reality of the situation.

Pantheon Forever3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nagoh Shan,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2015-12-17T19:39:39.478+0000)

Just because you don't consider it trolling doesn't mean it isn't.

You are not willing to adjust, that's the point, you refuse to adjust to a pick order or team comp that doesn't fit with the role/champ you want, so you say "Screw all you other people, I'm doing what I want, YOU adjust because I refuse to"

Sometimes you won't get the role you want. The behavior you've chosen to deal with that fact is negative and considered toxic. I would report in that situation. You can act all dismissive if you'd like, may make you feel better about negatively impacting the games of so many people, but it won't change the reality of the situation.

Riot does not consider it trolling and is adjusting the game purposefully to cater to players like myself (dynamic queue). You disagreeing doesn't make it trolling and reporting me just devalues your own reports. Finally any rank can make a team, I play ranked teams also with, "Project Diana NA", "Darius the Mage", "Top Annie", and "Zyra is Legend" as the team captain. We are not usually on at the same time so I mostly play solo/duo. The fact that I am not the top 1% does not mean I'm not free to try and play my best, or give you or anyone else the right to harass me.

Jubbinaut2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pantheon Middle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-17T19:48:32.965+0000)

Riot does not consider it trolling and is adjusting the game purposefully to cater to players like myself (dynamic queue).

The fact that they're adjusting the system to prevent players such as yourself from creating negative experiences for others does not mean that the actions you're taking now are not trolling.

Intentionally forcing others into negative situations is trolling. Ignoring pick order (without consent) is trolling. You don't have to like that - and it won't matter for long, anyway - but that doesn't make it untrue.

Pantheon Forever3 votes

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The fact that they're adjusting the system to prevent players such as yourself from creating negative experiences for others does not mean that the actions you're taking now are not trolling.

Intentionally forcing others into negative situations is trolling. Ignoring pick order (without consent) is trolling. You don't have to like that - and it won't matter for long, anyway - but that doesn't make it untrue.

Red post says It isn't mandated to follow pick order, and trying to force players to follow it is toxic.

[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

"Pick Order is meant to be a last resort when settling discussions - this is why we are endorsing it and not mandating it."

"If you refuse to communicate with your team and rely only on Pick Order to determine your role selection, you are still being a toxic player and this will reflect negatively upon you."

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3449932&page=1#post37793023

Also they are adding detectors that will punish players who don't respect what I queue for in dynamic queue, it is a system to help me not hurt me. Now players who oppose me will be punished whereas before they said neither side is wrong or right. Also I have 200+ friends on each account and if I dynamic queue with at least 2 I will 100% get my desired roll (Me and Poppy Top Lane queue as mid/top and a +1 who goes jungle/support/marksman/fill).

Nagoh Shan2 votes

You missed a part there:

For a while, we've been asked what our own official stance is on Pick Order versus Call Order and, after much consideration, we've ultimately decided to endorse Pick Order over Call Order as an underlying system. There are many reasons why Pick Order works better to encourage communication and cooperation in teams

Pick order is the current prescribed method. The new system is being added so that there won't be players like you who refuse to communicate and force team comps against the wishes of the majority of the team. The refusal to communicate is on you.

I'm glad you'll be able to Panth mid in the future without having to negatively impact other players experiences. Doesn't mean you're doing right, now.

Jubbinaut3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pantheon Middle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=000600000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-17T20:02:48.777+0000)

Red post says It isn't mandated to follow pick order, and trying to force players to follow it is toxic.

Red post says following pick order is the last resort if a conflict cannot be resolved through discussion.

If you and the other person cannot come to an agreement through discussion, pick order takes precedence. If that is not respected, whoever is lower in the pick order is at fault, and is considered to be trolling.

In other words, if you're 4th pick, your 2nd pick wants mid, and you neither discuss that conflict to mutual satisfaction, nor respect pick order, you're in the wrong.

Also they are adding detectors that will punish players who don't respect what I queue for in dynamic queue, it is a system to help me not hurt me.

I never said it would hurt you. I said it was intended to protect other players from being hurt by you. Because it is. The fact that it protects them in a way that benefits you is irrelevant to my point.

AJStarhiker1 votes

no, he said he only started Pantheon in S3. Before, he was just filling whatever position was left.

Twink Lover 693 votes

Right... So two full seasons main on one champion and still JUST hit silver. You wouldn't understand how crazy that is to comprehend because you're Bronze 5. In all seriousness though, if you "main" something and you can't get out of silver into gold after 2 full seasons, it's the wrong champion or role for you.

Pantheon Forever5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Prince of Punjab,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-12-17T18:34:29.067+0000)

Right... So two full seasons main on one champion and still JUST hit silver. You wouldn't understand how crazy that is to comprehend because you're Bronze 5. In all seriousness though, if you "main" something and you can't get out of silver into gold after 2 full seasons, it's the wrong champion or role for you.

Maybe it is wrong for me but shouldn't I get to decide that? Shouldn't I continue to try until I stop climbing? (However slow it may be.)

I am less concerned with how high I can rank (not everyone will hit Diamond), and more focused on improving each game by learning how to face an opponent better or practicing my mechanics. If I keep improving the rank ups will follow indirectly.

Twink Lover 693 votes

The point is this; you're stating that it bothers you when people get angry that you are playing a non-meta pick. Such as pantheon mid.

My logic is this:

If you lolnexus your stats on pantheon in champ select and see that after 600 ranked pantheon games you average more deaths than kills, low cs, and you're still silver 5 after 600 games. That would tilt ANYBODY. Even before the game starts.

SO, yes it's your decision on whether or not you want to play pantheon in which lane you prefer. just don't complain when other people see how ineffective it is through YOUR stats and begin to rage because of it.

There sadly is a META for a reason. Also, there are non-meta champions who are MUCH more up to date and can utilize these new items better than pantheon.

So stop complaining.

Pantheon Forever3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Prince of Punjab,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3RAX7Mzz,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-17T18:47:30.413+0000)

The point is this; you're stating that it bothers you when people get angry that you are playing a non-meta pick. Such as pantheon mid.

My logic is this:

If you lolnexus your stats on pantheon in champ select and see that after 600 ranked pantheon games you average more deaths than kills, low cs, and you're still silver 5 after 600 games. That would tilt ANYBODY. Even before the game starts.

SO, yes it's your decision on whether or not you want to play pantheon in which lane you prefer. just don't complain when other people see how ineffective it is through YOUR stats and begin to rage because of it.

There sadly is a META for a reason. Also, there are non-meta champions who are MUCH more up to date and can utilize these new items better than pantheon.

So stop complaining.

But I normally have the best or second best CS on team and maintain more kills than deaths. I have even taken to recording my games and have 49 games recorded where not only did I win, but did so without a single death. Also Pantheons ultimate is most powerful from middle because I can roam anywhere (our jungle if enemy spotted invading, enemy jungle if he doing a camp I warded, bot lane, top lane, or just a quick return to my own lane after a shop).

KanjarHSN3 votes

Yeah it is, but with your attitude so far with all these comments, you seem VERY narcissistic and don't like to agree with anyone, so now not only are you not cooperative, but you are also playing a playstyle that may not be optimal for you. See it how you want, and I won't be checking back for a reply, so there is no reason for you to reply lol All I know is, you have pretty much just taken every comment as aggression and have been making excuses or trying to prove yourself for every comment as if they are all serious matters. Chill out b lmfaoo

WhiperSnapers1 votes

So what happens when someone else autolocks into your position and they too have a name like yours: ** _(random champion here)_MID** By your own logic you cant tell them that they cant have that spot because of their name. So do you end up duoing mid?

And you cant say that you havent had anyone autolock into your main role because you said:

I have played this way for 1000+ games on 2 accounts

and there is no way you can play that much and not have it happen once

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