I don't understand this logic right here.

Asudurga·Nov 21, 2017·8 votes·888 views

"You're playing something that I disagree would work, I'm gonna sabotage you to prove my point that it doesn't work!"

In what twisted reality is that mindset acceptable? In my experience playing games as well as watching friends by spectating I have seen this stupid and childish practise many a time.

Example...

Player 1: I'm gonna pick jungle, I have experience with it.

Player 2: No, that won't work.

Player 1: But I have a match history to prove it does, and this is norms where I can try fun stuff out in a fun pvp environment...

Player 2: Locks in then follows Player 1 in his jungle all game stealing camps while spamming mastery and emotes

DEFEAT

Player 2: See? I told you it won't work, dumbass, report Naut!

34 Comments

iSpencerNov 21, 20174 votes

Am I the only one who remembers that Naut was first introduced as a jungler? Nevermind, not important...

Player 2's logic is that he doesn't want to put effort into (and get invested into) a game that will likely be a loss with idiot feeder teammates. He also doesn't feel like dodging, so he just messes around in game and waits for the ff. It's not good logic but there it is.

AsudurgaNov 21, 20171 votes

Not to mention how people have the mentality that they are 100% right and would go to any means to prove their points no matter how wrong they are.

ChermorgNov 21, 20171 votes

I mean, to me it matters more what is right than what one loser who tries to sabotage me thinks. I get people who pick troll or nonsupportive supports all the time when I go Teemo ADC. Just gotta move on.

There will always be idiots and assholes in the world. Don't let them get to you :)

RallerenPNov 21, 20171 votes

The logic is backwards yeah. Luckily, nothing will happen if he reports you, but you can report him and he will get punished. (Atleast that's how it would work in theory)

mosaickleNov 21, 20171 votes

People like this don't have logic. They're just out to ruin your game because they reckon your pick would ruin theirs. He says he thinks jungle Nautilus won't work. If it doesn't work = he 'wins'. If it does work (and your team has the Victory) = he 'loses'. Thus, by that reasoning, his only (personal and selfish) victory is to make you wrong. How? By losing the game and showing that "Nautilus jungle didn't get the Victory".

Honestly just report and move on. Don't bother with people like this, you seriously cannot in any way reason with them.

Better JunglerNov 21, 20171 votes

You pick jungle naut, and i'm saying something:P I definitely wont troll the game, or really harp on the issue, but you'll hear word from me, if you lose in jungle.

Yes normals are a place to try new things, but thats not an excuse to not try to win. Some champs don't belong in some places. Theres a reason champs are played where they are. Its because thousands upon thousands of players that are MUCH MUCH Better than me and you, had the best success with them in that lane. There are optimal builds because people did the math and found out whats the best in each situation.

What you did by picking Naut jg is essentially the same thing as picking master yi support and taking cs from the adc because "Its norms and you're trying something new."

In a way, you're trolling just as much as that Nunu. If you don't care about what works in the current meta, then why should he?

Edit: This wasnt meant to sound like it did. Just saying you were trying something that is proven to not work MOST Of the time . (if it did work most of the time, it would be played more often) So you were trolling to a lesser extent as well. So you can't expect people to not say anything if you fail at something you know you're likely to fail at. This game is about winning regardless of what alot of people say. No one likes to lose, and you're putting the chances of a loss higher than you would if you picked a real proven jungler.

Look at Cho gath, Mundo, Sion, or Rammus, Maokai, Sejuani. Those are great tank junglers that no one would say anything about.

AsudurgaNov 21, 20174 votes

What you did by picking Naut jg is essentially the same thing as picking master yi support and taking cs from the adc because "Its norms and you're trying something new."

Not exactly, there's no coloration to off-meta jungler who actually tries between a troll "support" who steals CS. And trolling just as much as an in-team saboteur by picking something off-meta? You have a mentality no different than the theoretical Nunu.

Better JunglerNov 21, 20171 votes

correlation*

Not true, like I said I wouldnt troll.

So how do you feel about a duo coming into your game, and one of them goes Master Yi jungle... the other goes Bard support, but just follows Yi around all game?

This is the same Idea as what your saying.

Naut jg is off meta. Duo jungle is off meta.

If you're trying something stupid, and it doesnt work, you just wasted the time of everyone else on your team. AGAIN i don't think this nunu was right, but I don't think you were 100% either. You trollpicked, he trolled the game. His offense was worse, yours was definitely worthy of some backlash though.

I mean... Champions.gg doesnt even have a page for Nautilus Jungle...

His clear is garbage. his ganks are HEAVILY reliant on there being NO wards on the enemy side. He's INCREDIBLY easy to counter-jungle. His damage and cc isnt comparable to other junglers.

Look at Cho gath, Mundo, Sion, or Rammus, Maokai, Sejuani. Those are great tank junglers that no one would say anything about.

Magical PlayerNov 21, 20176 votes

Naut jungle is viable off meta is fine He was not trolling if he was everyone who picks a hero who isn't the defined meta is trolling. someone deliberately doing their best to make you lose is trolling At the same time duo jungle isn't trolling if your team agrees to it(fine line between trolling and good) The support nunu with smite ignite from a few months back kinda shows the issue.

If your team is onboard and you're trying to win its not trolling if your team is feeling like you were trolling and enough of it stacks against you, then you are trolling

Better JunglerNov 21, 20171 votes

You're talking about something else.

If your team is in agreement, there is no trolling involved, regardless of who goes where or what.

This nunu obviously wasnt on board with the naut jg.

And yes, he's viable.. like full ad soraka top is viable.

Has it worked in the past? yes. Is it a reasonable choice for the current meta/state of the game? No.

Kaptain KuddlesNov 21, 20173 votes

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You're talking about something else.

If your team is in agreement, there is no trolling involved, regardless of who goes where or what.

This nunu obviously wasnt on board with the naut jg.

And yes, he's viable.. like full ad soraka top is viable.

Has it worked in the past? yes. Is it a reasonable choice for the current meta/state of the game? No.

There was a time when Naut was OP in the jungle and quite a few of us got quite a few games in on him in RANKED play with plenty of sucess. With the new changes in PreSeason this is a perfect chance to see if there is a viable build, how his clear is, etc. Trying to compare Naut jg to AD Soraka Top is just poppycock and - I daresay - ignorant.

When you select a champion, you shouldn't have to get 4 thumbs up before you can lock in a pick that you are comfortable with. ESPECIALLY in a normal. The current meta / state of the game is completely up in the air, unless you know something professional streamers and LCS players don't.

Stop being a presumptuous tart and start believing in the DEEEEEEPPPPPPTTTTHHHHHSSSS!

Just because you don't believe in a pick does NOT mean you have the right to create a hostile environment and troll. Your opinion does not mean you are correct.

Cheers, scallywag!

Better JunglerNov 21, 20171 votes

You're being a hypocrite here;P

You cant say JG Naut might be viable!

then immediately say that AD Raka Top isn't worth checking out:P

My entire point of this isnt to be presumptuous, its saying that you should be trying to win the games. If a champion doesnt belong somewhere, and you take that champion into a game where 4 other people are relying on you to do your job, you're basically trolling the game if you fail. You took something that was LIKELY to fail into a team based game.

Also, it isnt me "not believing in a pick" its statistics showing that the champ isn't good in that lane. If he was, more people would be playing it, there would be a page on champion.gg for naut jg.

It doesnt matter what was viable 3 seasons ago (last time nautilus was viable anywhere) it matters whats viable now. If you want to try stupid things, get a group of people together. Otherwise, you're trolling strangers games.

Magical PlayerNov 21, 20172 votes

Do you really think there are champs that are no longer viable in the game? Naut has a great kit for tanking and cc, extremely strong ganks for a slower clear time. Whats not viable about it? Ad soraka top, Never seen it. I've been dunked by full tank raka top this preseason alone, so the meta is kinda mute since we literally just changed the rune system. Which changed how alot of people work. Naut may of been at his prime in season 4-5, but these new runes may make him a strong pick again.

At the end of the day, naut can jungle he has a history of being able to jungle. Ad soraka top not so much But further more its in normal's where he was learning to jungle naut. So OP was not trolling to any extent, the nunu was directly trying to sabotage the game

OP if you're still reading these, keep playing naut. Bring back the tank jungle meta

Better JunglerNov 21, 20171 votes

Twisting my words. I said he's not viable in the jungle compared to other tank junglers. I think he's a decent support, and I've seen him work in top lane as well if he goes a bit AP heavy.

extremely strong ganks, despite his low movement speed, and if his opponent has a ward ANYWHERE they will see him coming from miles away.

Ad soraka top was huge in s4, look up videos by UberDanger.

Learn with a premade, don't troll strangers with my pick.

OP was trolling by picking a champion likely to underperform in his lane. Nunu was being a douche, and trolling worse.

OP if you're still reading these, keep playing Naut. Because I REALLY Hope he makes a comeback so my win rate skyrockets;P I'll counter jungle him into the ground 100% of the time.

Magical PlayerNov 21, 20172 votes

Soraka top was op as ap top, I never saw an ad raka top that won in gold +

Op was trolling by playing an under performing champ..... You literally live and die by the meta don't you. If you're heros get nerfed you'd probably quit the game. Since you'd be trolling What If I told you, meta isn't always best for a player

Heimerdinger hasn't been meta in a long time and yet I am able to play him and produce results(He is my meta) People have to learn their own meta, naut very well could be op's meta

The problems with naut move speed, well gee its not there are items that drastically increase move speed item 1001 https://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/nautilus-in-dept-guide-for-top-jungle-support-2000-games-451461

Better JunglerNov 22, 20171 votes

You keep resorting to insults and presumptions about me:P

look at my match history, I play nearly EVERYTHING, and half my picks are things that people ALWAYS complain about being too weak.

I'm not here to bicker with you, and I certainly don't plan on resorting to insults against you.

Heres my final point:

If you're in a premade, and they agree with what your doing, then everythings free game. Do what you want. But if you're responsible to 4 other people on your team, do your best to win or you're wasting other peoples time. No one likes to see troll picks, thats where the meme "Trust me its OP" came from. People going into games, picking hybrid Soraka mid, and saying "Trust me its OP" then feeding 90% of their games. Nunu was an asshole for trolling the game like this, and deserves the worst punishment in this game in my opinion. But OP was picking a champion that is unlikely to perform well, and thus was trolling at a minor level himself. No matter how you look at it, he is putting his team at a disadvantage by not picking a reliable/viable jungle. If he is successful, great! he made it work in the face of adversity.. But if he fails, don't be surprised that people say something like "I knew it wouldnt work"

Heimers also been pretty reliable for a bit now. (few patches at least) so I'm not sure where you're getting that from:P

ANNNNDDD boots are great for Naut, but when EVERYONE else buys them at roughly the same time, Nauts back at square one, slow af with nothing in his kit to make him faster. (dont mention hook, because thats his ONLY non-ult initiation tool. )

Magical PlayerNov 22, 20171 votes

Reliable and meta are not the same thing Naut is reliable but is not meta Heimer is reliable but is not meta So him learning naut is A-OKAY and is not trolling since his goal is to win You can't expect everyone to have a 100% knowledge base about the game or champs. Like come on in ranked you set expectations of trying "your best" not the meta best to win the game Nobody can force someone to be instantly great at everything

AsudurgaNov 22, 20171 votes

On a side-note, I love this guys username, "Better Jungler" yet look at all the ignorance he's spouting.

MythPuppyNov 21, 20171 votes

I KNOW RIGHT???? Like for a while, I liked to play support ziggs. But EVERY TIME I TRIED, my adc would pull this shit.

AsudurgaNov 21, 20171 votes

Support Ziggs can actually work as a poke siege mage. Like Xerath but more effective.

SarutobiNov 21, 20171 votes

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I KNOW RIGHT???? Like for a while, I liked to play support ziggs. But EVERY TIME I TRIED, my adc would pull this shit.

As someone who loves to play Support Ziggs this is always annoying. Granted recently people have been nice about it (at least when i play him) but seriously you would think people would be more happy to have him on their team seeing as how he can take towers so easily thus winning the game quicker! But some people just need to follow the meta 100% of the time, its annoying and then more often than not get their ass handed to them when they are against off meta champions because it comes so far off!

But honestly i dont let people bother me when it comes to going off meta. If its that bad ill just mute them and continue to play the game!

Stay Close DearNov 21, 20171 votes

yeah the dickheads who are stuck in their shitty mindset and will do anything to protect themselves from proving them wrong. fun times

KrushakArrankissNov 21, 20171 votes

Anyone who says Naut can't jungle(Tho I can't tell you with the new runes/masteries) is a moron cause Naut is extremely good, especially once he hits six, ward or not Naut will come in like a wrecking ball. It's like those people who say Sion can't jungle.... Till I prove them wrong and get the best ganks at level 6. Plus it's normals, if it was Ranked, I'd say eh..... but normals i'm more relaxed.

AsudurgaNov 21, 20171 votes

Grasp or Aftershock are great. Though personally I'd say Grasp because you AA to apply your stun anyway. Naut has a lot of amazing resistances to begin with but his base hp isn't as good as most tanks, so Grasp would solve that issue fast.

ArammusNov 21, 20171 votes

as long as he didnt flame nautilus (lets say he never said dumbass) nothing will be done about it,

AsudurgaNov 22, 20171 votes

This is why Riot needs to actively inspect games and not rely on some stupid chatbot which gets baited into banning people because of these damn int-banners with shitty usernames.

ArammusNov 22, 20171 votes

problem is: you could hire everyone in china and still there'd be more games than ppl to handle them.

AsudurgaNov 22, 20171 votes

Ugh..

ArammusNov 22, 20173 votes

and psst dont tell anyone cause ppl will hate on you... but riot is also... SUPER FUCKING LAZY!!!

Friendly RamNov 22, 20171 votes

I learned how to jarman support because i was kicked out of the jungle one game, so it's not all bad :o)

scazzmanNov 22, 20171 votes

what they are probably ACTUALLY doing : theyre trolling you in game. hoping you will say something in chat. and give them a reason to report you.

Goblin Giant Nov 22, 20171 votes

Player 1 "If you try to sabotage my new meta I will fuck you like a pig!!!"

Player 2 proceeds to sabotage

NegativityNov 23, 20171 votes

I can explain this logic

People are complete morons but fail to realize that they don't know anything at all, therefore if u prove them wrong They must spite you, because in their mind YOU have become the moron they know they are subconsciously Why do I know this? Cause I was that guy once when I was younger.