The power of a 4 man premade.

Roger Fakerer·Jan 5, 2020·2 votes·2,244 views

with the current system of reporting I see no point in trying to maintain honor any longer. I have played this game since season 2 and I have been reported maybe 3 times in 8+ years. I barely argue with people in game and I never use profane language or hate speech towards anyone.

I was on the verge of hitting honor 4 last season and I had one game with a premade of 4 people. my support was inting and so I complained in chat and tried to ff, they all reported me and I was insta chat restricted and lost all honor.

Since then I climbed back nearly to honor 3 and then it happens again. I get put in a game with a premade of 4 people. I get shit on in top lane, camped by enemy jungle and have a hopelessly bad lane phase. My jungler literally does nothing to help me but I dont say anything. After a failed ff vote at 15 mins I pretty much give up on the game. I cant farm or get back into it and the enemy team is winning in every lane. Suddenly the adc on my team starts flaming me and blaming me for the game, so I defend myself in chat and point out what my teammates could have done to help the situation. I did not afk, I did not stop playing, and I did not even curse or say anything rude. I did die a lot but thats because the enemy team were all fed and we did not ff.

After the game my whole team (premade 4) reports me and I get a chat restriction and lose all my honor. so my question is why even bother trying to build up honor again? any 4 man can just report you and you are instantly punished. since when can you get a chat restriction for not even saying anything bad? the whole report system is such a joke, allowing butthurt losers to ruin someone elses experience is the opposite of what riot claims they are trying to achieve.

19 Comments

Umbral RegentJan 5, 20209 votes

any 4 man can just report you and you are instantly punished.

It doesn't work like that. Reports only trigger a review, and the review doesn't take how many reports were received into consideration.

If you haven't cleared your chat restriction, I suggest you copy and paste the chat logs here; you wouldn't have gotten punished for no reason, so odds are fairly high that you're either missing something or ignoring your own misbehavior out of bias.

And in case you doubt me on number of reports not mattering, here's a quote from Riot Tantram sharing a snippet of the IFS code.

Reports haven't lost weight since the instant feedback system was put in place.

It's actually really simple.

if (reports > 0) { review(); }

It reads the value stored in the "reports" variable as a boolean flag, and if there's any number of reports greater than a value of zero, it calls the "review()" function. Also worth pointing out; it's "review()", not "review(reports)", meaning that the review of your behavior is not influenced by the amount of reports you receive. Once the review() function is called, the amount of reports don't matter.

ArammusJan 5, 20204 votes

reported 3 times in 8 years... you know mods can warn me for what im about to say next but sorry it has to be said: in my 26 years of lifetime, i have never read a more delusional statement EVER! this honestly takes the crown. if this guy would send in a ticket requesting to see how many reports he got in his last 100 games, he'd prob die from the shock.

but to make my command "helpful" well you said you complained in chat and wanted to ff... so you broke the rules and got punished for it. whats the problem? the only "power" 4man premades have is that its more likely you'll get reported. thats it. with 4 randoms the chance of them "forgiving" you or just forgetting to report you is high. but with premades that are in voice, one will remind to report you. thats literally all their "power"

NF RemiliaJan 5, 20201 votes

Only 3 times in 8 years this guy is a legend lol on my main acc that i had from season 1 i have around 2k reports , still waiting for my first restriction tho : [

Timethief49Jan 5, 20203 votes

4 reports is the same as 1, they only result in a review of the game.

Kei143Jan 5, 20202 votes

Maybe you should look at your chatlog closely and identify what is wrong in your chat.

If you can't identify your own, you can paste you chatlogs here or submit a ticket to Riot support.

KFCeytronJan 5, 20202 votes

Your behavior isn't nearly as good as you think it is.

Roger FakererJan 5, 20201 votes

how do you see the chat log from the client is there any way? i wont bother with a support ticket, riot will never reverse a decision

Umbral RegentJan 5, 20202 votes

how do you see the chat log from the client is there any way?

If you haven't cleared the punishment yet, you should be greeted with your chat logs any time you open the Client.

i wont bother with a support ticket, riot will never reverse a decision

Kei143 wasn't necessarily recommending an appeal through Riot Support, but rather that Riot Support can also bring up your chat logs if you can't get them from the Client.

Roger FakererJan 5, 20201 votes

Game 1 In-Game Roger Fakerer: you let voli get 3 plates while failing an invade on red :P ekko bro pls help Roger Fakerer: gg Roger Fakerer: im not Roger Fakerer: maybe you should pay attention to your own lane/ Roger Fakerer: well i got ganked 3 times in the first 6 mins Roger Fakerer: while our jungler did nothing, then voli easily roamed and cleanup up Roger Fakerer: not sure what you want me to do Roger Fakerer: or we could just ff Roger Fakerer: ? Roger Fakerer: yah but im not telling you what to do Roger Fakerer: but if you tell me not to int Roger Fakerer: then you go an int Roger Fakerer: its odd Roger Fakerer: so you are allowed to run it down but if I try and cs its inting? Roger Fakerer: at least dont be a hypocrite Roger Fakerer: what were you JUST doing? Roger Fakerer: trying to take a tower alone with no vision Roger Fakerer: you died at their turret lmao Roger Fakerer: you keep saying my score like that somehow makes it ok for you to do what you are telling me not to do Roger Fakerer: its fine for him to say what he likes, but he should not go and do the very thing he asked me not to do Roger Fakerer: it doesnt help his cause Roger Fakerer: ... Roger Fakerer: maybe gank a lane next time ekko, a decision you clearly decided not to make Roger Fakerer: im just saying he could have helped Roger Fakerer: you are all full of great suggestions after the game was lost Roger Fakerer: you watched from nearby in the jungle as I got repeat ganked Roger Fakerer: then you watched my tower die while you tried to invade Roger Fakerer: im not blaming you for my deaths Roger Fakerer: im pointing out you did nothing to help my lane Roger Fakerer: k w/e Roger Fakerer: int with me? all you had to do was gank Roger Fakerer: delusional cait thinks she only has 1 death Roger Fakerer: but i guess you guys are a premade

I don't see anything here to cause a chat restriction. Especially considering I did not say a word to anyone until my teammates started flaming me. Of course this log only shows what I said and not what was being said to me. Still, what here did I say that is worth reporting?

Umbral RegentJan 5, 20203 votes

Of course this log only shows what I said and not what was being said to me.

Well, would you rather get punished for other players' behavior?

Chat logs only show your behavior because you are punished for your behavior alone. You alone are responsible for what you say and do; nobody else.

Still, what here did I say that is worth reporting?

Roger Fakerer: you let voli get 3 plates while failing an invade on red :P ekko bro pls help Roger Fakerer: gg

Well, right off the bat you start harassing your Jungler for not ganking you and messing up an invade, as well as calling an early GG.

You can ask for a gank without insulting and aggravating your Jungler. "Hey, Voli's beating me down pretty hard, could I get a gank?" gets the same message across without harassing your teammate.

Roger Fakerer: maybe you should pay attention to your own lane/ Roger Fakerer: well i got ganked 3 times in the first 6 mins Roger Fakerer: while our jungler did nothing, then voli easily roamed and cleanup up Roger Fakerer: not sure what you want me to do Roger Fakerer: or we could just ff

Then you continue harassing your Jungler while arguing with teammates, and continue with the negative attitude.

Roger Fakerer: yah but im not telling you what to do Roger Fakerer: but if you tell me not to int Roger Fakerer: then you go an int Roger Fakerer: its odd Roger Fakerer: so you are allowed to run it down but if I try and cs its inting? Roger Fakerer: at least dont be a hypocrite Roger Fakerer: what were you JUST doing? Roger Fakerer: trying to take a tower alone with no vision Roger Fakerer: you died at their turret lmao Roger Fakerer: you keep saying my score like that somehow makes it ok for you to do what you are telling me not to do

And then it gets worse, with the arguing coming to claiming teammates as intentional feeding, etc. - if someone's flaming you, just mute them and don't talk to, of, or about them. Don't even give them the time of day.

Roger Fakerer: its fine for him to say what he likes, but he should not go and do the very thing he asked me not to do Roger Fakerer: it doesnt help his cause Roger Fakerer: ... Roger Fakerer: maybe gank a lane next time ekko, a decision you clearly decided not to make Roger Fakerer: im just saying he could have helped Roger Fakerer: you are all full of great suggestions after the game was lost Roger Fakerer: you watched from nearby in the jungle as I got repeat ganked Roger Fakerer: then you watched my tower die while you tried to invade Roger Fakerer: im not blaming you for my deaths Roger Fakerer: im pointing out you did nothing to help my lane Roger Fakerer: k w/e Roger Fakerer: int with me? all you had to do was gank Roger Fakerer: delusional cait thinks she only has 1 death Roger Fakerer: but i guess you guys are a premade

And you continue to argue and harass your teammates throughout the rest of the match, insulting Caitlyn and just generally wasting time rehashing stuff that's far too late to fix. Stop agonizing over how your teammates didn't help you early on and just take your own advice:

Roger Fakerer: maybe you should pay attention to your own lane/

Because, seriously. Getting bent out of shape and focusing so much on how your teammates didn't help you or gank you or whatever else is not going to help, especially if you constantly harass them about it.

I don't see anything here to cause a chat restriction.

The vast majority of this chat log is negative, full of detrimental arguments and littered with the occasional insult. You weren't punished because a 4-man premade reported you, you were punished because you wasted so much time harassing and arguing with your team when you could've just muted them and played the game.

In the future, here's my advice:

Don't harass your teammates when asking for help. Berating your teammates by commenting on how they "failed an invade" or blaming them for your lane opponent gaining ground on you only serves to make them not want to gank you. If you can't settle for "could I get a gank please?" with maybe an added "things are getting pretty rough", don't even ask.
Don't get hung up on singular mistakes. The majority of that match had you arguing and harassing your team over the fact that you didn't get ganks early on, and guess what? What you did was flame your team. It doesn't matter if you didn't respond until they flamed you first (which I frankly doubt, given the very first line in your log), you flamed them as well, and you were just as bad as them.
If someone flames you, mute them and ignore them. Don't say anything to them, don't say anything about them, don't even give them the time of day. If they flame you, they are entirely unreasonable and there is zero benefit to trying to communicate with them. Fullmute them to shut them down, and then don't say anything even vaguely relating to them.
Don't be a defeatist. Excessive defeatism brings down your team's morale (and makes them less likely to cooperate with you - why help someone who thinks the match is already lost?) and doesn't help. Don't say early ggs, don't say "ff@whenever", if you think the match is lost, keep it to yourself and play it out. You can open a Surrender vote when it's available, but for real, just keep that negativity out of chat.

MotherKaiserJan 5, 20201 votes

Your chat log is really toxic. Punishment deserved.

Roger FakererJan 5, 20201 votes

so saying anything unproductive in chat is bannable? I reported the ekko and the cait for flaming me and I am willing to bet they did not get any punishment. again, im not saying I behaved well this game, but everything I said was in DIRECT RESPONSE to people flaming and blaming me. so I dont see how it is fair that I get punished and they don't.

Umbral RegentJan 5, 20204 votes

First of all, if you want to directly respond to someone's comment, you can click the "Reply" button under the comment body.

so saying anything unproductive in chat is bannable?

If unproductive chat was bannable, then people wouldn't be able to chat or bullshit around or do literally anything besides call out enemy cooldowns, locations, etc.

Your chat wasn't just unproductive, it was negative, harassing, inflammatory, and entirely unsportsmanlike.

again, im not saying I behaved well this game, but everything I said was in DIRECT RESPONSE to people flaming and blaming me.

Flaming in response to flaming is...Still flaming. You're not given free reign to break the rules just because someone else broke them first. It doesn't matter who started it, if you participate, you are subject to punishment.

I reported the ekko and the cait for flaming me and I am willing to bet they did not get any punishment.

so I dont see how it is fair that I get punished and they don't.

Everyone has their own behavioral history. Your report was valid and will count against them - it may not get them punished from that match alone, depending on their behavioral history, but it can and will add up eventually.

Regardless, whether or not they got punished does not matter in regards to your behavior and your punishment. You clearly have a history of misbehavior, given that you said yourself this is your second Chat Restriction.

So stop focusing on irrelevant details, like whether or not other players got punished or how you only responded to flame, and take a moment to take stock of your behavior. If you don't learn and change your behavior, you're just going to get punished again - and if this punishment was a 25-game Chat Restriction, then your next punishment is going to be a 14-day ban, and after that, a permanent ban.

Roger FakererJan 5, 20201 votes

You say my log is littered with insults and harassment? I think you have a really poor definition of harassment...You also claim not believe that I didn't type in chat until provoked, I am sorry you feel that way but it is true. I did not type a single thing until my team began to berate me in chat.

Roger FakererJan 5, 20201 votes

Its a 10 game chat restriction, ive had 2 of these in 8 years. I dont think that qualifies as someone with bad behavior history. I've also been honor 4 every season since honor was introduced until last season. this is the point of my post.

I am not blaming my teammates for making me negative, I am aware it is 100% up to me how to behave, what I am saying is that by riot punishing this (what I see as very mild negativity) it discourages good behavior in normally positive players.

I go 99% of games without saying anything bad or negative to anyone. once in a blue moon I have a really bad game combined with flaming teammates that results in some unpleasant banter in chat. sure it's negative, but does it undo everything positive you have ever said? well according to riot, it does.

so why would I care about honor anymore, why would I try to be a positive member of the community when in one single moment of weakness it can all be undone. it takes many many months of excellent behavior and honors to get to lvl 4 and you can lose it all in an instant for something not even that bad.

I understand 100% why they punish people who use bad language, excessive cursing, derogatory terms etc, but I think chat restricting someone for the things I said is overkill, and psychologically it does not make me want to be a more positive community member, it has the opposite effect actually, it makes me not care or bother to even try and be good when I can lose everything over such a petty incident.

zPOOPzJan 5, 20202 votes

by riot punishing this (what I see as very mild negativity) it discourages good behavior in normally positive players.

and by NOT punishing this, it gives you the wrong impression that your toxicity is a-okay and thus no need to change your behaviors

UpgradesJan 5, 20201 votes

How do you know you have been reported only 3 times in 8 years. People report people without saying anything you know. It could be allot more. Theres also a way to check by sending a support ticket and they will tell you the number of reports against you (the number for each category, which is actually pretty interesting, I got reported for offensive name twice before, and even the number of reports you have made recently.) But anyway, I would do that, because im willing to put money on you getting reported more than 3 times in 8 years

Yin Yang TaoistJan 5, 20201 votes

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so I defend myself in chat and point out what my teammates could have done to help the situation. I did not afk, I did not stop playing, and I did not even curse or say anything rude. I did die a lot but thats because the enemy team were all fed and we did not ff.

After the game my whole team (premade 4) reports me and I get a chat restriction and lose all my honor. so my question is why even bother trying to build up honor again? any 4 man can just report you and you are instantly punished. since when can you get a chat restriction for not even saying anything bad? the whole report system is such a joke, allowing butthurt losers to ruin someone elses experience is the opposite of what riot claims they are trying to achieve.

The problem is that you tried to defend yourself. The current system doesn't allow you to defend yourself by pointing out the faults or mistakes of others because that behavior can be categorized as being 'Negative'. Even though you didn't start it and they may have been very toxic to begin with. Riot only looks at your logs.