Free tyler1 (PLEASE READ BEFORE DOWN VOTE)

Över Heaven ·Dec 23, 2016·12 votes·3,019 views

Tyler1 is actually reformed and it's time for Riot to remove the ban. No i'm not talking about unbanning any of his 20+ accounts, but rather the indefinite ban that will allow him to stream the game. Now i understand Riot gave him a whole bunch of chances but at the end of the day he learned his lesson and no longer intentionally feeds and is no longer toxic towards his team. Also if he starts to show toxic behavior it would be perfectly reasonable for Riot to resume the indefinite ban, no doubt about it. But PLEASE if the man is reformed let him play and put the #FreeTyler1 meme to rest at last. "Honestly if Tyler1 actually reforms i'm not really against it" - Phreak on possible Tyler1 unban Please Riot let this ~~toxic~~ reformed cowboy ride free... (unless hes toxic again then throw him wright back in the ban)

Please Riot, it would be one heck of a Christmas present, not just for him but for the people who love watching him play your great game

comment your thoughts down below and lets please have a civil discussion.

85 Comments

ModUlanopoDec 23, 201618 votes

Read the whole thing. Don't care. It'll take a whole lot more than just "not being bad" for me to consider him reformed. '#Tyler1canstaybanned

Över Heaven Dec 23, 20165 votes

It doesn't matter what you consider being reformed is if your definition doesn't line up with the actual definition 1. amended by removal of faults, abuses, etc. 2. improved in conduct, morals, etc. according to dictionary.com Tyler1 is reformed

ModUlanopoDec 23, 20166 votes

Well, that's just silly. The way you're mangling the word, anyone could be considered "reformed" with any microscopic, meaningless improvement.

themachampDec 23, 20163 votes

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Read the whole thing. Don't care. It'll take a whole lot more than just "not being bad" for me to consider him reformed. '#Tyler1canstaybanned

By that logic then, jensen, should have remained banned. He was just "not being bad" but he had the support of pro teams who wanted to sign him along with fan support.

ModUlanopoDec 23, 20164 votes

Nobody asked me about Jensen. As far as I'm concerned, he should have remained banned.

ShaolinToiletJan 11, 20171 votes

What's interesting though is all the people like phreak and others saying tyler1 was only popular for being toxic when he's not even toxic anymore and still hugley popular.

AeroWaffleDec 23, 201613 votes

Now i understand Riot gave him a whole bunch of chances but at the end of the day he learned his lesson and no longer intentionally feeds and is no longer toxic towards his team.

That's the issue I have with him. It took a ban-on-sight for him to admit his behavior doesn't belong on the chat. Before that he wore the permanent bans like badges of pride, and because of his streaming popularity, encouraged other people to do so as well. He was a horrible influence on the community.

He encouraged the idea that "cool" was being an asshole to others, then to take pride in the punishments issued for being an asshole.

Över Heaven Dec 23, 20163 votes

So you have a problem with the fact that he was an asshole, but what if he did a 180? Like a mentioned before he's no longer toxic towards his team and he no longer promotes what he was doing before, as a matter of fact whenever he spectates and he sees someone being toxic he started to he started to tell his viewers to stop and not go down his path.

SchmidttyGamesDec 23, 201610 votes

To little to late. It's not like the guy didn't have a ton of chances already.

It's called a "consequence", and most of your actions have them. Unbanning the most notorious toxic player in League's history isn't the kind of example they should set. It would, literally, justify the unbanning of every toxic player that has ever been banned. We don't want it.

Hauling AsheDec 23, 20165 votes

Exactly this ^

Över Heaven Dec 23, 20163 votes

The consequence was the indefinite ban, Not a permanent one. And my counter claim is unbanning the most notorious toxic player who reformed is exactly the example Riot should want to set, showing if even Tyler1 himself can reform and if he can anyone can and if he goes back to his old ways he's just going to get more consequences i.e: another ban

JorenciceDec 23, 20165 votes

No it would just show no matter how toxic you are if you get famous enough your immune to bans.

He needs to stay perma banned.

SchmidttyGamesDec 23, 20166 votes

It would set a disturbing precedent. "You unbanned Tyler1, why can't I have another chance?" This would start to appear bloody everywhere as every toxic troll that met the axe would suddenly feel privy to another chance themselves. I doubt Riot wants to deal with that. I don't think the boards need to start seeing that.

I find it more likely that he is simply trying to manipulate everyone so that he can get his cash crop back, and when he flames out again (because he will), what will have been achieved?

Över Heaven Dec 23, 20162 votes

If someone toxic does reform why can't thy have another chance? And i'd doubt he would flame again at the risk of another ban if league really was his cash crop

SchmidttyGamesDec 23, 20169 votes

He never cared before they hit him with the banhammer. Wore it like a badge of honor and promoted this kind of behavior to his entire fanbase, which in turn, became a "cool thing to do".

There is no way to know if someone has reformed. Why would Riot gamble on him again, and set the precedent that you can simply cry your way back into their good graces? It would be irresponsible and dangerous to a community that is already on the verge of falling apart entirely. Partially because of him, and people like him.

Brain Errör 404Dec 25, 20161 votes

He still plays. There's more than enough evidence in the accounts that he's been playing on.

Brain Errör 404Dec 25, 20161 votes

People are asking for him to be free indefinitely, not unban his main account.

ShaolinToiletJan 11, 20171 votes

He makes plenty of money without league btw.

AeroWaffleDec 23, 20168 votes

I'm not entirely convinced that he has reformed though, at least not in a worthwhile sense.

At the time of his ban, there were plenty of supporters that also claimed that he was "reformed" after the previous perma-ban, and that the ban-on-sight was unwarranted.

Being able to put up a good front while spectating someone else's game is far different than keeping up good behavior while playing a game that's aggravating. Who's to say how he will act after a game that's annoying? Or 20?

There are going to be a lot of people that will take it on themselves to make it aggravating for tyler in some sort of vigilante justice sort of logic. Eventually, he will likely retaliate or act in a way that the public will view as retaliation (as the public will have an extremely sceptical eye on his actions for a while), which will lead to public outcry that he wasn't actually reformed and so forth.

It's a whole lot of mess that can't really lead to anything good. Tyler has other games he can play, and he's still free to play league off-stream since Riot can't exactly ban an account that they don't see (and he would avoid vigilante trolls this way).

Hauling AsheDec 23, 20165 votes

I'm all for second chances, but the 30th chance is kind of the last straw. He doesn't deserve to make money off this game.

themachampDec 23, 20161 votes

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I'm all for second chances, but the 30th chance is kind of the last straw. He doesn't deserve to make money off this game.

He already can with youtube.

Över Heaven Dec 23, 20163 votes

Even if h legitimately Reformed? Also when ever he spectates games he tells people not to go down his path if he sees them intentionally feeding if that helps.

Hauling AsheDec 23, 20165 votes

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 20 times, shame on me.

Över Heaven Dec 23, 20162 votes

To be honest he didn't even try to reform before the indefinite ban so he isn't trying to food anybody. And also you can go on his channel and see whenever he uploads a league video he is reformed.

JorenciceDec 23, 20166 votes

He didnt try when perma banned over 20x...

Think about it this way.

A store owner caught him shoplifting TWENTY FUCKING TIMES so they finally got a restraining order against him to where he can never enter the store again.

Would you really want the guy who gave so little shit about your rules he was kicked out TWENTY FUCKING TIMES WITH NO REMORSE back in your store?

(Hint) If you say yes you have never worked a day in your life and thus your opinion is invalid.

Ulquiorra995Dec 23, 20163 votes

And that's exactly why he shouldn't be unbanned. He didn't even try despite having the ultimate punishment issued on him 19 times; oh no, he was bent on continuing AND encouraging others to do so. It took Riot to have to formulate an even higher tier of punishmentjust for him in order for him to "reform" himself. I say good riddance and don't come back.

Över Heaven Dec 23, 20162 votes

You are 100% correct but he did reform himself in the end so I still see no reason to keep him banned and i'll quote phreak for you 1 more time just in case you missed it the first time "Honestly if Tyler1 actually reforms i'm not really against it"

Ulquiorra995Dec 23, 20166 votes

He only reformed himself because of the entirely new tier of punishment Riot set up for him. If they did not he could have gotten not 19, but 119 accounts banned and he just wouldn't stop. He had not one, not two, but 19 chances.

And there is a reason to keep him banned. Can you imagine if Riot said "Hey, you know that guy who got banned 19 times for being toxic and we had to devise a next tier of punishment just to stop him? We are kinda unbanning him now." Any integrity they have - poof - gone! If they unban someone as toxic there is literally no reason to unban every single permabanned player ever. Riot knows that - so no matter the outcry of his fans, he will remain banned. There is too much to lose if they cave in to the pressure.

AbencaDec 23, 20162 votes

If they unbanned tyler1, it would be for the better and give them a better name for following through with the system they have put in place. There system went beyond what it what meant to do and actually helped him become a better person. And the comments that he only reformed himself because of his new tier of punishment is only plausible if we have proof, such as he were to go back to his old ways on stream or somewhere we could see him.

Angry MonsterDec 23, 20162 votes

false, it will give them a better name with toxic players or people that enjoy watching toxic players. For those that are were pissed off by the behavior of tyler1, those that have always followed the rules; it will be a punch in the stomach.

I personally think twitch never should of partnered with him. Him and his community are dicks.

Över Heaven Dec 23, 20161 votes

we're the dicks but not one person here that supports Tyler1 was toxic to any of you but ya'll calling us dicks, kids, etc

Angry MonsterDec 23, 20162 votes

false but what ever. Your whole message is toxic and you can not draw a line between each others threads; when you guys are posting in each others.

Here is something to consider you are as toxic as tyler1 ever was. While at least he had the guts to act the way he is you stood and watched and praised his behavior. You and the tyler1 "community" are half the problem and humanity suffers for your existence.

While riot could not directly punish you guys for being horrible people, Riot was able to punish you by taking away your front man from league ; tyler1's permanent ban.

AbencaDec 24, 20162 votes

How is your language not toxic? You dont know me or how we felt. We already said he deserved the ban in other threads and none of us applauded for what he did and cheered him on. We are respectfully speaking to you guys and look, people insulting us, cursing at us, what is wrong with people? Our point is we think riot should give new tyler1 a chance, not the old tyler. We believe that tyler1 wouldnt be toxic to players anymore, the ban helped him change his attitude, and riot can look at his behavior and judge from there. He plays off stream and he isnt toxic to anyone. Riot phreak isnt even against unbanning him now after he reformed and look at the history they had. But this attitude you have against people who enjoy tyler1's content is ridiculous. And its so ironic how people are quick to go against toxic behavior with toxicity. The irony in your context is astoundingly hypocritical. Out of all the people, the players against tyler1 are the most toxic. Want proof? look at any thread including this ine

Angry MonsterDec 24, 20162 votes

sigh this conversation is way over your head. Please take a phlio course.

When you can understand the meaning of "when good men do; nothing evil prevails" and "praising the shooter is worse than shooting them your self". They apply to your group.

I know exactly what the group thought was every time someone watched. followed, donated or subscribed to tyler1. Approval

you guys enabled the trash know as tyler1

Angry MonsterDec 24, 20162 votes

sure trust the guy that said he was reformed then proceeded to name his account "reformed KYS".

The sins of the past do not just go away.

sorta like your group. You refuse to go away and shut up about this asshole.

Ulquiorra995Dec 23, 20164 votes

It'd completely kill the system they have, not give it a better name. Unbanning a guy with 19 permabanned accounts who built his name on his completely toxic behaviour and encouraged others to do so would destroy any integrity the system has. Each and every permaban issued becomes null and void; if a guy with that kind of record gets unbanned then they all should be. And Riot knows better than to put that integrity on the line for the sake of one toxic asshole.

And he didn't show even the slightest intention of reforming during his first 19 bans. And when they hit him with an indefinite one he suddenly reformed. If that is not enough proof then I don't know what is.

AbencaDec 23, 20162 votes

i know what he did in the past but time has past and things have changed with tyler1. I think they should give the new tyler a chance. Thats all

Ulquiorra995Dec 24, 20162 votes

They gave him a new chance. 18 times. He did nothing with those. And don't you get it that there is no way Riot can do that in a way that won't backfire horribly? Imagine the messages they'd be sending.

That guy who actually reformed after a 14-day ban, but had just one bad game where he tilted and got permabanned? You are giving someone like Tyler a chance over him. "Yes, we know he is 20x more toxic, but he is also famous so he's getting another chance."

Or someone who got their account hacked and banned. "Sorry, you are responsible for everything that happens on your account even if it gets hacked. Oh, and we are revoking punishment on this asshole with 19 permabans by the way. Have a nice day."

Besides, going back on this kind of punishment will send people, including tyler, a clear message: You can be as huge of an asshole as you want to be, as long as you have enough fans it doesn's matter. And imagine if he played another game being as toxic as he was (and no, one does not simply reform with that kind of attitude): just one game would be enough to make Riot look like a bunch of jackasses.

I'll say it again: there is too much at line for Riot. They will lose integrity. They will look like complete assholes. They will further ruin their already wonky player relations. So face it: no matter the outcry of his fans, he ain't getting another chance. That's a cold hard fact.

Hauling AsheDec 23, 20161 votes

Oh, to be young and naive~

AbencaDec 23, 20162 votes

what is the problem you have with unbanning tyler1? the fact that he is playing or that he would be doing his job the way he likes it?

Hauling AsheDec 23, 20163 votes

Because I believe that you should have to live with the consequences for your actions and not be coddled and given unlimited chances because you say you'll do better next time... no, next time... no, this time, I really mean it! Being a shit person should give you shit consequences. That's how you learn to be better.

Boo hoo, a spoiled brat on his computer lost out on thousands of dollars of potential revenue for being toxic af when he wouldn't have even made money in the first place if he wasn't being toxic af. MOVE ON. He had his moment in the spotlight. The nasty attitude that made him popular ultimately got him banned. And that is justice. Sucks to suck, bruh. Move on to Overhype and go be "reformed" there, Tyler.

If he has truly reformed, good on him. He's become a better person in life, and getting banned might have been the valuable lesson he needed. If that's the case, then he has ultimately profited more as a person from being banned than from being good at playing a computer game. (Personally, I think it's sad that people are willing to pay other people money to watch them play a video game.)

People like you fail to understand the ethics involved in his super ban, and this makes me sad for the state of society.

AbencaDec 23, 20161 votes

You havent really said anything besides belittle the situation and be toxic towards me. How ironic. " I really mean it! Being a shit person should give you shit consequences. That's how you learn to be better." you are one to talk. Havent made a counter argument to any of the points I made in other posts. But hey, im whats wrong with society and its sad how you assumed i donate to him to play video games, right?

Hauling AsheDec 23, 20163 votes

You really twisted my words and adjusted the implied context. Wow.

AbencaDec 23, 20162 votes

i mean, there is proof of what you said. I cant twist words and adjust implied context when what you said is in plain sight. And what happened to the cursing or insults?

Hauling AsheDec 24, 20161 votes

You literally took the end of a sentence written in a first-person satirical sense and kept it as an interjection to a serious comment to make it sound toxic. "I really mean it!"

You also seem to believe that everything I said was directed specifically at you and that I assumed you donate on Twitch, when it was a general statement about the very essence of Twitch. It's a capitalist website; a business. Their primary goal is to make money by providing a service to people who want to make money through public viewings of gaming performances. The opinion I expressed was that I think the fact that Twitch is not only viable, but entirely successful, is sad.

And the vast majority of my post was directed at Tyler1, his behaviors, and his consequences for such behavior.

Only the very last sentence of my post connected it to you specifically. Your inability to understand the ethics in his ban and your continual plea for Tyler1's return to commercialized League play is what makes me sad.

Riot's super ban of Tyler1 is not just because he's toxic af, but because he was using their product for profit whilst sabotaging that very product. He ruined games for people, hurt League's rep, and just made a joke out of things in general. And until he was banned, he was rewarded for that behavior with cash donated by sadistic viewers. Tyler1's entire career is built upon the novelty of him being a toxic piece of crap with an ego the size of Draven's. (Interesting that he should main that champ. I bet there's a psychological link there.)

Remember that Checkers employee who was caught on video wiping a customer's hamburger across the kitchen floor? They fired that person, and likely the other employees who stood by and laughed. Do you believe that employee will ever be able to get a job at Checkers again? Or any restaurant, for that matter? Likely not, and that's what they deserve for being disgusting.

Likewise, Tyler1 deserves to be "fired" from League of Legends. Allowing him back would be a huge PR mistake. And allowing him back would encourage people to be more toxic because they think they might be able to get forgiven for it later on, just like daddy Tyler1!

AbencaDec 24, 20162 votes

i meant your entire response as a whole but ok. And i just want to see tyler1 play league, thats all but ok

OleandervineDec 23, 20165 votes

Tyler1 can technically play League. He can make an account, he just can't ever broadcast it or it will get banned. They didn't IP ban him, to my knowledge. So basically, you don't care that he can make an incognito account, you just want to see him stream.

AbencaDec 23, 20166 votes

The ban, to my knowledge, meant that if there was an account that was definitely tyler1, it would be banned immediately. He isnt allowed to play off stream but he can since it would be quite difficult and inconvenient to point out and look for tyler1 constantly and ban him

Över Heaven Dec 23, 20161 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M26wmKY-e3I