why doesn't anyone use Elise?

Swampmajikk·3/23/2015, 1:24:25 PM·1 votes·863 views

Is it because she used to be crazy OP and isn't anymore? Is it because she's hard to use? Is it because there are better options?

I think if you really learned her and got good with her even in her current state she'd be a great jungler with a strong team presence..although maybe not to the level of some other junglers. But again it has everything to do with how she is played. So why did she completely disappear? She's not useless by any means she's just not crazy OP like she used to be..

16 Comments

Laughing Fish3/23/2015, 1:29:44 PM1 votes

For the same reason that people don't play Shyvana often anymore either. Elise is not bad by any standard, there are just champions that do her job better.

Swampmajikk3/23/2015, 1:33:10 PM1 votes

kinda sad :/ I see shyvana more often than elise really. but yeah as long as lee sin is around elise will be second banana unless she gets a power spike.

she should at least be on the same level as her contemporaries. buff elise slightly 15'

TeemoJenkins3/23/2015, 1:51:32 PM1 votes

Elise has strong clears, not sure why someone said her early game was weak as she's has strong L3 ganks. Her problem is if she builds glass cannon, there are better glass cannons, she isn't naturally tanky - so building tanky is just trying to be something others do better. She used to have iNCREDIBLE early game burst so her early ganks would snowball lanes - they nerfed her early damage, which translated to a late game nerf also as she now is even keeled at all levels. I enjoyed playing her and wish she would come back into dominance - but sadly Fid / Sej / Naut all play AP better than her with Fid being a carry and the other two tanking. Elise doesn't do anything better than anyone else.

Zirzon3/23/2015, 1:56:45 PM1 votes

I think the main reason is she doesn't scale into mid-late game very well right now. She also has kind of lost her sense of identity. Building damage doesn't improve your output as much as it should, so many people build tank/bruiser. In the end, she can be many things, but excels at little.

Swampmajikk3/23/2015, 2:03:47 PM1 votes

overall i think she does well building tanky. the natural spellvamp from her spiderlings gives her good sustain, and her gap close/cc make her ganks pretty good. glass cannon is pointless and in the jungle role you wouldnt want to do that anyway. i'm really thinking, oddly, that gunblade and then all tank items would make her real strong and difficult to kill.

Sukishoo3/23/2015, 2:05:19 PM1 votes

I still love playing her and do quite often.

mvargus3/23/2015, 2:07:04 PM1 votes

She is hard to use, but I think the problem is that she's too much of a generalist without having the real utility that Lee Sin has.

Her human form spells can be powerful, but scale only off AP. Her W can do a lot of damage, but only if she is all AP. Her Q is an initiate as it does % current Health damage so it can't kill, but it can tear chunks off healthy tanks or champs. Her E is her only stun and it is a skill shot.

Her Spider form is a melee assassin with her W giving her an attack speed buff and her Q being a % missing health execute. These don't scale well off AP and don't do a lot of damage to anyone who is healthy.

The problem is that unlike Nidalee who gets great damage on her human Q before transforming and going in for the kill. Elise often has to take multiple shots before she has someone damaged enough that she can dive in. The synergy just isn't there.

She also lacks the mobility of Lee Sin or Nidalee.

I like the spider queen, but just take her into a couple of ARAMs and you quickly figure out just how broken her kit is, but in the wrong way. She can't really hurt anyone who is healthy. Her assassination tricks require her to all-in while in spider form and her rappel is a lousy escape when you don't have an enemy minion or jungle monster available to jump to once you are up in the air.

Someone who has mastered her can probably make her work, but as so many other posters have said. The rewards are low for the effort.

Swampmajikk3/23/2015, 2:10:30 PM1 votes

i still like playing her too but she definitely feels off. i think they should buff her a little bit. maybe revert her mana costs so she actually can perform what she is intended to do, which as mvargus said, human form to whittle down healthy targets, spider form to close the kill. I still think when someone is FoTM they over-react and just keep nerfing them until they dissapear which is what unfortunately happened to her. its usually a case where if they reverted the last 1 or 2 nerfs they'd be balanced but they just wanna make them go away completely..