The new "lore" retcons

Lord Dusteon·Aug 30, 2014·63 votes·6,230 views

EDIT Link: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/08/829-pbe-update.html#more

The new 'lore' is out, and I can safely say I did NOT see Riot murdering the lore. But they did! The Shurima event is being celebrated as the Frejlord event was, with a lot of retcons and destruction of any lore left in the game.

So far, Amumu, Ezreal, Nasus, Rammus, Renekton, Sivir, Skarner, and Xerath have had their lore changed.

Out of these, Amumu and Xerath had their lore stay consistent.

Nasus and Renekton are no longer from a different world, and are instead apparently centuries old Shurimans. In addition to this, Renekton's reason for hating Nasus has been removed.

Rammus has had his sentience gaining part of the lore removed, with his new lore saying "k armordillo smart guis"

Sivir is now a **ing heir to Shurima.

Skarner has had his entire kind removed, his ties to the Crystal Scar removed, and is now "random evil monster in Shurima ruins"

And finally, Ezreal has turned into a modest person.

I'm sorry Riot, but having Rammus and Amumu wards is NOT compensation for utterly ruining even more lore.

EDIT2 New Cass lore. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/09/93-pbe-update.html#more

"Cassiopeia is a terrifying creature - half woman, half snake - whose slightest glance brings death. The youngest daughter of one of Noxus' most influential families, she was once a beautiful and cunning temptress capable of manipulating the hardest heart. Transformed by the venom of an ancient Shuriman tomb guardian, she continues to serve Noxian interests as she always has, just in a more... visceral way."

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Arby099Aug 30, 201434 votes

Skarner "The Crystal Scar is weeping. I miss my kind"

PhailRaptorAug 30, 201410 votes

We will miss your kind, noble warrior.

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CynicattAug 31, 20144 votes

I wonder if they're just gonna remove these lines or what.

VoidzillaAug 30, 201426 votes

Honestly, and I say this as a lore-junky myself, people are exaggerating/exaggerated with these retcons. Will I say I'm pleased with them? Not really, they're knocking down many aspects of the lore we've come to love. However, I think Riot's lore team has taken just a bit from the criticisms we gave them last time from the Freljord event.

& : I expected they would retcon Nasus and Renekton to be Shurmiman at some point in time. That's a little disappointing; however, maybe we can just tell ourselves the part of Shurima they inhabited was cast away long ago to another world and, due to astral bloodlines, they were summoned back to Runeterra, or something like that? I believe that was a theory said in a discussion about Azir's lore, and I can take solace from that to retain their original backgrounds why staying with this new one. I'm not happy about it, but it'll suffice.
: Rammus' backstory has always been vague, and I think that's always been a trait of his character. He's basically a sentient, monotonous, straight-forward armadillo for the sake of being a sentient, monotonous, straight-forward armadillo. The major thing I dislike about this new background though is not the affect on Rammus himself, but rather it makes no mention of the Rune Wars like his original one, an integral part of this game's cannon as it explained why the League was made in the first place.
: Like Rammus, we didn't know a whole lot about Sivir to begin with. I can appreciate the dynamic they're trying to make with her, juxtaposing two very different lifestyles she's faced with, but I personally don't think she needs to be a heir to Shurima or whatever. It just doesn't make that much sense. Her current lore is fine. She has ties to Shurima, but is still the freelancing mercenary she's been painted out to be. I don't see why we need to have her be a long lost princess or whatever, especially considering other places can fulfill the plot/arc/trope much better ("Ruined Queen" from the Shadow Isles anyone?)
: Okay Riot wtf? I can stomach Nasus & Renekton being ancient Shurimans. I can handle Rammus' lore not directly mentioning the Rune Wars. I can cope with Sivir being a heir to Shurima. But this proposed Skarner update? I'm throwing my no's at the screen hoping this won't happen. First off, Skarner has been integrated into the lore of this game since nearly the beginning, with the conflicts of Kalamanda and whatnot. He is the embodiment not only of magical crystals that imbue the land, but the wrath of nature when mankind oversteps its boundaries and perverts the world with their arrogance & power. He is an ancient creature as fierce as he is wise, as tragic as he is noble. Don't take that away from him, as it's a great story. Second, where does that leave his race, the Brackern? Are they a race of Shuriman guardians now, because that space already seems to be occupied by Nasus and Renekton. I think many people would've loved and hoped to see another Brackern in this game, and if this retcon is going where I fear it is, that hope may be extinguished. Third, if this goes though, the majority of Skarner's personality via quotes wouldn't even make sense. He's a fierce monstrous guardian, yet he says things like "The Crystal Scar is weeping."? And if they're going to give him an entirely new VO eliminating any semblance to things like that...just no. I love how Skarner is so inhuman looking, yet inside he's actually very human, and one that deserves sympathy at that. The conflict of monster to humanity was rather nice; is he going to be turned into another cliché "giant ancient monster" that we've already seen so much of in fantasy settings? Also, if Skarner is in the end being retconned to be an inhabitant of Shurima, can the whole Kalamanda/Crystal Scar lore at least be moved over there with him? As said, it was a very important story for League as a whole with still much potential to be explored, and it'd be a great shame to see it all thrown away.

Crimson Mutt 3Aug 30, 201414 votes

I love how Skarner is so inhuman looking, yet inside he's actually very human

This His "rage" has always had a subtle hint of desperation and suffering, mostly because he's all alone now his rage is in the forefront and has nothing behind it other than "rawr i'm a guardian and will kill la kill you if you take my unspecified Treasured Item #215"

Riot, please, for the love of everything, reverse your Skarner retcon. This is madness.

Hell, the story in itself, in the context of it, actually has a damn LESSON in it, to not abuse power because it leads to corruption. It actually edifies, which game lore rarely does.

Also, most of his quotes make zero sense now.

PredatoratorAug 30, 20143 votes

I couldn't find any better words to show my concerns for Skarner's story, personality and relations, to be threatened by this lore "update".

TrylobyteAug 31, 20146 votes

Nasus, Renekton, Xerath, Sivir, and Cassiopeia were all more or less known to be getting lore rewrites with the Shurima event. We've known this for months. Odd that Cass's isn't out yet...

Amumu isn't terribly surprising.

Rammus? Ok. He's always been pretty vague. I too am a bit nervous at the history scrubbing in regards to the Rune Wars and the League, though.

Ezreal? HUMBLE?! Hahahahahahaha... No, seriously. Ezreal has always, ALWAYS been a cocky, arrogant jerkass. Anyone that's played him for more than five minutes knows this because everything in his character reeks of it. Changing him to make him humble and modest is essentially completely rewriting his personality.

Skarner is the epic WTF out of this group. He already had lore. He already had a connection to the world. He already had a personality that was tragic and intriguing. There was plenty you could do with him. WHY THE **** DID YOU CHANGE IT?! This is an even worse example of Gragas from the Freljord event, taking a champion's lore that already works and changing it to something different, less interesting, and less detailed just for the sake of changing it.

StarlighteAug 30, 201422 votes

Oh look, another event that has no actual effect on the world of Runeterra, will have no resolution whatsoever, and unnecessarily retcons champions who didn't need it. Sounds like the Freljord event.

I'll be blunt, if this is the best you can do Riot, you have severely disappointed me. You need to start owning up to these blunders, listening to your community, and most of all, communicating with us about the direction of Lore. Fuck the NDA's, talk to your bosses and get them waived on Lore direction. You guys are dropping the ball, and you have a chance to catch it before it shatters on the ground. Don't just ignore this and assume it will go away.

WexAndywnAug 30, 201412 votes

This this this THIS. Riot can still save the lore. Talk to us, we can help! We'll tell you what we want!

Baxter900Aug 30, 20141 votes

My interpretation for why they were releasing the short lore's first was so we could tell them what we want and what to, and not to, change. It would be nice if they came out and said that.... But that was my interpretation for why they were releasing the short versions.

StarlighteAug 31, 20144 votes

Honestly though, if that were the case, Riot would have/should have come out and said that. Instead, they're trying to force another retcon down our throats that nobody agrees with.

bloodmothSep 1, 20141 votes

The freljord event was great, it gave a location to so many homeless champs. you cant seriously be upset that lok far is now a part of freljord rather than an alternate place where different vikings come from? just assume that the events in shurima are paralel to freljord. they may have plans to develop them side by side.

These retcons are necessary for the overall health of the game. as far as lore goes now, there are a bunch of one off short stories. nasus vs renek, thats all there is to their story. the end, they dont have anyone else to interact with cos they are from another planet. they arent changing the characters they are changing their stories, which are incompatible with so many of the other champions. do you want all the champs stories to be developed on their own or as a whole?

they are trying to create a world populated with champions. they cant develop champion lores when half of them are locked up in the institute of war.

Runtera is quickly becoming a much more organic planet where champions will interact with each other by chance and circumstance. without this any interactions would be incredibly forced.

Lord DusteonSep 1, 20141 votes

Tell me how the Frejlord event helped Trundle. Go on. Tell me how retconning a troll who took on his entire tribe's curse (and then, in his judgement realized he kinda hated his tribe and would keep the curse, despite it being helpful) into a random ice troll helped anything or advanced the lore.

bloodmothSep 2, 20141 votes

because now he is part of the world instead of a random champion that didnt fit anywhere.

his old lore was good enough for a skin, where its a short story, but his story ended when he found out his tribe would die without it and he was happy with that. there is no cure, everyone dies the end.

doing anything with that trundle would have been even more insincere, he had a closed story and it was satisfying. he had no alternative role to play, his story was over, so they left that story for the past and made a new champ they could work with, and gave everyone who owned trundle a shiny new skin, which, at the time and still is the best of all his skins. his old model was ugly as sin, but it had some unique charm so some people got really attached to.

give me an example of how they could use old trundle without making up bullshit reasons for him to become a protagonist or antagonist to anyone. his old lore is now a short story where it belongs, his new lore has opportunity.

You can cry till the cows come home that its worse now but that is only your opinion, nothing more.

sp441Sep 2, 20142 votes

His new lore turned him into a generic boring brute that sounds like a Power Rangers villain. Even if Riot ever explored this oh-so-new opportunity, who gives a shit? Why would we want to follow a character that is boring as hell?

Ironclad DragonAug 30, 201416 votes

I don't mind Nasus and Renekton being Shuriman. I loved the idea. Sivir and Skarner? I have nothing but contempt for.

MyAccountYouGuysAug 31, 20148 votes

See, Sivir's(post-VU anyway, dunno what it was before) lore always hinted she was more than a nomadic merc. At the point where it mentions her and Cass finding something in that tomb, presumably either Xerath or Azir, it says she found something that would be "setting events in motion that would change not just Sivir's life, but all of Shurima forever."

Whether that is some kind of evidence of her being a long-lost royal descendent, which I kinda hope it isn't, or something else...doesn't really matter. Point is, there was always room for her to be caught up in the League for reasons other than getting filthy rich.

Skarner though? Fuck that noise. The Crystal Scar is weeping like never before.

Ironclad DragonAug 31, 201413 votes

Assaulted on all sides, is the Last of the Brackern.

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sp441Aug 30, 201412 votes

To play devil's advocate, Ezreal's feelings regarding how people saw his new status as a hero were never properly defined, Sivir's heritage was already implied, and these are probably short versions, with the full versions coming up soon.

Now to step off the advocate stand, RIOT, STOP SCREWING WITH THE LORE, STOP RETCONNING EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF IT, STOP TRYING TO WRITE THE LEAGUE OUT OF THE GAME!

And while you're at it, either give us at least a hint of what you're working on under the sheets already, or just admit that you were lying to us the whole time and you just don't care anymore. There's no way you've kept the world stagnated for over two years without having something concrete somewhat ready. If you don't want to write lore anymore and just want for this to exist in a metaphysical state of being like Super Smash Bros, come out clean and admit it already.

Lord DusteonAug 30, 20149 votes

"Time for a true display of skill!" "Ready for the best?" Pretty sure he's heavily implied as a cocky, arrogant person.

RinnolAug 30, 20145 votes

I agree it seems that Riot has been trying to get rid of the fact that the CHAMPIONS we play as are actually controlled by SUMMONERS who are really the player. The League of Legends was a major part of Runeterra until the lore has been getting flipped around. Summoners no longer help keep the world's disasters at bay the just plop 10 people onto top of a mountain where they proceed to kick the crap out of each other. The Noxus vs Ionia battles were amazing to hear about. It changed lore of characters and gave plenty of characters backstory. Heck the lore written by that went all the way up to Varus. The league is supposed to be able to summon mystical beings from other worlds, times, dimensions, because they are the most powerful mages in the world. Writing out a major thing such as the league and how these characters become the champions the league uses is important. The whole League aspect started to crumble when you introduced Lissandra as a champion. Ashe knows the Ice Witch is out there what Ashe isn't supposed to know is that the Princess of the Ice Dervish Tribe is that witch, Seeing Lissandra on the battlefield would bring humongous changes to the lore if it was cared about. Please Riot try thinking about champions in every aspect when you release them. Most recently with Azir coming out with his passive the game mode Dominion was forgotten about. Every aspect of the game should be considered before releasing a champion or changing a champions lore.

DestínumAug 30, 20148 votes

And then you realize that even Super Smash Bros has lore.

PurpleKingCrazyAug 30, 201412 votes

Rammus "Ok. Armordillo smart Guis."

TerraRisingAug 30, 201411 votes

Well, if this is "showing some TLC to the lore," then Riot has failed big time in that aspect. I guess this is what we're to expect in getting our hopes slightly up.

Baxter900Aug 30, 20148 votes

I personally think all of them are fine except:

Renekton's reason for hating Nasus, "He's insane and blames Nasus..." It's fine if they're from shurima, I even think that's a good idea, but Renekton needs a reason to hate Nasus, and ideally if you want to avoid a good vs evil scenario, Nasus should have wronged him at some point, Renekton should hate him for that, and Nasus hates him back. This allows you to essentially let Renekton play the bad guy while still letting people have sympathy for him, and Nasus can be the good guy, but you won't necessarily root for him cause he is/was a jerk.
I personally liked Rammus being tied to the rune war, instead of re-locating his origin, instead keep his origin and let him have traveled to the Shurima desert in search of something. Since his origin's related to magic it even makes sense, maybe he's naturally attracted to some strange artifact. Also, keep his spikiness natural, it makes sense in the context, much more than "oh yeah, and he found/made this awesome armor which let's him roll super fast in it and hurts people."
Skarner was another rune war champion, and an interesting one at that. He was intelligent, he was the last of his kind, and he was alone in the world. Making him into a "mindless monster" guarding things is a really bad call. It's not interesting, it's not unique, it's by far the biggest change in these lore changes. There are several ways you could bring him into the conflict in Shurima. You have this nice time mage called Zilean who originates from Shurima, guess who want's to bring his race back guess who can do it with the help of relics from shurima's past . Alternatively if you really want Skarner guarding something, maybe he found something that could help resurrect his kind and is guarding it fiercely. Maybe Nasus, Renekton, or Azir promised him (truthfully or not) that they could bring back his race if he just does this one little thing for them.

The things you should be focusing on in the lore in my opinion are these things:

What's the champions driving force? If they have one, preserve it, if they don't give them one. This is Xerath's "take over the world", Nasus' "stop renekton at any cost", and skarners, "bring back his people". They will complete this at any cost to themselves or often others.
What is the champions origin? Just going to tell you this, it really upsets people if you change a champions origin when it could be avoided with the same result. The examples in these changes are Skarner and Rammus. Nasus and Renekton you had a good reason, they needed histories in the world, otherwise their conflict would never get past Renekton sides with the powerhungry side and Nasus sides against him. Skarner had a history in the world and it's easy to imagine that his goals would end up bringing him to Shurima. Rammus would likely roam the world, and it wouldn't be very hard to imagine a reason for him to come to Shurima.
In any given situation, how would a champion act? This should rarely ever change. Sivir is selfish, her motives are always selfish, her quotes are selfish, everything about her is selfish. How is she going to act to responsibility? Sivir won't change her ways suddenly, she won't essentially be "oh I'm descended from beings of great power, I'm gonna help them!". She'll join the conflict if and only if there's a large reward, or she wants revenge. It's ok for her to be a "heir to Shurima" but she doesn't care about that and under no circumstances would suddenly start to care. This is the only big example of this in this update (and you might have planned to have something along the lines of Cassiopeia played Sivir so now Sivir hates Cassiopeia's guts) as long as it's clear that Ezreal doesn't want to be a hero because all he want to do is explore.

Just my opinions on these, thanks for putting up the previews so we could give feedback before you did full lore changes!!!!

The Red WardenAug 30, 20147 votes

You have to realize that riot doesn't care about the lore anymore. Instead of fitting events into the already existing lore they completely change the lore to fit the new mode

AlbireoAzureAug 31, 20147 votes

i can't recognize the league anymore, when was the last time we knew why any Champion joined the league? when the word Summoner was part of any Lore? where is the motivation of any champion to fight the other? the League of Legends still existing in Runaterra? yeah we could now have those retconned champions all tied to shurima...and then what? to be continued? all i can see here speaking of lore, is riot saying "this champion is from here and these are his friends, there is a story behind them, but we wont tell you" :trollface:

Ezreal Ezreal is not embarassed about anything "It's all skill" Rammus Rammus gained sentience because of magic of the rune wars Xerath Xerath wanted power over all, not "destroy and conquest" Skarner Skarner is not extracted from "Bosses from rpg and other monsters" page 153" Renekton was consumed by madness from the evil of people from he protected the library, not "because of time" Nasus Nasus wanted to kill Renekton because him was beyond redemption Amumu Amumu is still a mysterius sad mummy, but is he still a yordle?? Sivir I'm fine with Sivir, if she isn't revealed a generic hidden princess

Riot, please listen to your players, to your summoners, to the fans of your game, we care about Lore, stop making mysteries without answers and start developing this characters, you had a powerful rich background and now you are throwing it away for this inconsistent model that isn't going anywhere.

Sorry for the bad english.

PryotraAug 31, 20147 votes

Trundle Hey Skarner.

Skarner What do you want, troll?

Trundle Looks like you and I shall be brothers.

Skarner WHAT!?!?! BROTHERS? WITH YOU? Don't insult me!

Trundle I'm guessing you haven't heard then.

Skarner Heard what?

Trundle You are from Shurima now. You also are the only one of your kind, and you are just some random monster in some random ruins over there.

Skarner No, I'm a Brackern, the only one you see. My kind is buried below the Crystal Scar, in an area once known as Kalamada. I'm from there myself.

Trundle Not anymore. Riot has decreed that is to change.

Skarner WHAT! Impossible, you can't just decree that!

Trundle Oh yeah? Then how am I a frost troll now, brother?

Skarner Oh... oh no! My Kind! My Home! My Struggle! NOOOOOOOOOO!

Trundle It's Ok bro, I got your back. I understand.

Skarner That... isn't exactly conforting...

Trundle I know, but what do you want, a Hug?

Skarner Isn't that the mummy child's shtick?

Trundle Oh yeah, about that....

-TO BE CONTINUED-

Noctis LunarisAug 30, 20146 votes

Honestly Riot, if you wanted to involve Rammus in the Shurima conflict, just say he's there to protect his Waifu, A cactus. It's not a joke either. Blitzcrank, being the bro that he is, hooked Rammus up with the best possible result in his entire database: A cactus.

Hell, you could've made the Cactus a champion and you'd also fill in the "Female Monster" niche. You could've built on the lore you had, but instead you threw it all away.

CupcakeTrapAug 30, 20146 votes

I was a little scared, because these lore shifts often require some kind of retcon for Factions purposes. However, most of these are quite manageable.

I'm reminded of the Freljord rework. TBH, we had Olaf and company listed as Freljordians for Factions rosters long before they were "officially" made Freljordian, because (e.g.) Olaf is a freaking Viking.

Similarly, from a thematic point of view, it was pretty clear that Nasus and Renekton belonged on a hypothetical Shuriman roster. Even Sivir wasn't that surprising — she has that Xena thing going on, and somehow that fits with a desert background.

I do wonder if we're going to see a last-minute fix to Ezreal, though: Ezreal as a bashful, shy, modest person just seems really strange to me. "IT'S ALL SKILL." The PBE draft might have been one of those "that came out differently than I meant it" moments, like with Viktor and Jayce. If I had to guess, the author was going for a sort of Han Solo idea, with a self-centered rogue being a bit embarrassed about being treated like a hero. I don't think that really fits with Ezreal, though: I feel like he'd love playing the hero. Lux is really into heroism.

Anyway, new voicework incoming:

Ezreal "Thanks, but it was really just a lucky shot."
Ezreal "Noxians? I feel like we disagree on some things, but I'm sure they have their reasons."
Ezreal "Sounds dangerous! I should probably get some help." Ezreal "I think I might need a map."

MyAccountYouGuysAug 31, 20143 votes

Ezreal "You should go check out the museum! I hear they've got a great new exhibit..."

WexAndywnAug 30, 20144 votes

It appears that The Crystal Scar is moving to Shurima too.

CupcakeTrapAug 30, 20144 votes

Can someone link me the new lore? I don't see it on the front page.

Lord DusteonAug 30, 20144 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/08/829-pbe-update.html#more

AstropandaAug 31, 20144 votes

I'm not diggin' the Skarner changes or the Sivir ones. I reaaaaaaally hating the destiny bit with Sivir, they built a mercenary character and then realized OMG mercs are boring as fuck they don't do shit for money lets make her a princess! Or whatever they are planning like shiiiiit. Sivir could have been a random insert character in any story since she a mercenary and does shit for moneys. Anyway I don't much care for this implied destiny everything is connect style story they seem to be working on...

Now with Skarner if this thing he protecting is actually the rest of his people that would be cool if it's like Xerath or something else that will suck. x_x

mi ramfanAug 30, 20143 votes

Well, at least they're producing some lore, even if the way they're doing it is horrific. I'd understand a lore reboot if the universe they were working with was something like DC/Marvel's comic universe where there are so many different established storylines and so much set in stone that there's literally nothing new they could possibly do without reverting.

But unless you're that deep into a universe, retconning is lazy writing and should be avoided at all costs.

I suggest getting your "official" lore from headcanon and fanfictions from now on. It's so much more enjoyable then watching Riot stumbling over themselves time after time and still not resolving any events or developing any characters.

Arby099Aug 30, 20142 votes

Remember when the Lore dev's response was, "Go read fanfic?"

He was very polite about it but that was what he said.

sp441Aug 30, 20145 votes

Actually, from what I remember, that wasn't even a lore dev, that was some other Rioter.

And when the lore team can't address a lore problem in the community, you know we're got a problem.

Is there even a lore team on Riot anymore? Is the lore team just a bunch of brooms propped up on chairs around a table with a sign with "lore" written on it?

John BerserkAug 30, 20142 votes

They may be retconning things, but like they did with the Freljord event and with champions like Udyr and Trundle, they're reworking some champions to have more lore-based interactions and relationships with other champions. While their original beloved backgrounds are being rewritten, that's not necessarily a bad thing. It could be good for the long-term, which I'm sure they're prepping for.

Honestly the only lore-change they made I dont really care for is Skarner's, because yeah, they did take away his connection to the Crystal Scar (unless they change the Crystal Scar to be closer/in Shurima? And maybe he still is the last of his kind, the last guardian of some ancient Shurima place?). But, these lore updates are rather short.. I highly doubt these are their full lores. There's got to be more to them. Just wait and see for now.

sp441Aug 30, 20143 votes

It would help if they gave us the slightest hint of what they plan to do on the long term.

So far they gave continuity to diddly squat, so I fail to see any long term benefits to any of the thousands of retcons they've been pulling recently.

John BerserkAug 30, 20141 votes

Well a lot of the older lores, like the Champions themselves, are very dated. They were written at a time when they didn't really know what direction they wanted to go in, they just sort of "did". They didn't really start to connect things together and make a large world until fairly recently. They had a large world they made to play with, but when they put things in it initially, it was just sort of...bleh. Some people liked it, but others didn't/don't care for it.

It sucks when something you've grown comfortable with and even fond of is changed on you, but sometimes it's got to happen for the better of the product in the long run. :( As to whether these changes will make League's lore better or worse in the long run, we'll just have to wait and see.

sp441Aug 30, 20146 votes

We've waited for over a year. There should be something by now. Anything. At least a Red post saying what exactly they're aiming for with this constant deluge of retcons.

Between Shurima and Freljord, I highly doubt that they have any higher plan, and are just making up stuff as they go along.

PhailRaptorAug 30, 20147 votes

It sucks when something you've grown comfortable with and even fond of is changed on you, but sometimes it's got to happen for the better of the product in the long run.

So, because it's a better business strategy, it's a good idea to rip all the details out of the backstory of the game, and remove the "life" out of your characters?

Pretty sure that's the best way to piss off your dedicated fanbase who actually liked something about the game that wasn't just pressing buttons.

HellioningAug 30, 20142 votes

I don't mind retcons, necessarily, but they're the only lore we're getting, and that makes me very sad.

PhailRaptorAug 30, 20147 votes

If there was a good reason, I wouldn't mind retcons either. While I'm not really happy about it, Nasus and Renekton being Shuriman instead of aliens gives them more room for Azir.

But the fact of the matter is that they aren't putting any effort into these retconnings. These little half-paragraphs are, each and ever one of them, less than half the length of the existing Lore. And half of them are not only unnecessary, but just flat out do not make sense. Why is Skarner now Shuriman? Why remove the explanation for how Rammus became sentient? Why is Ezreal suddenly a considerate person? And why is it that Amumu, one of the oldest champions in LoL, has the weakest, most non-descript Lore of any champion in the game?

StaconaAug 31, 20141 votes

Renekton has never had a reason for wanting to kill Nasus, Renekton fell under dark motives from influence of dark creatures trying to get in to Nasus' teachings and Renekton being the body guard for his brother, Nasus, eventually became corrupted himself after always being around corrupt creatures. So Renekton has absolutely no reasonings behind wanting to kill Nasus outside of just being corrupt. Anyways, the lores have not changed the characters at all, the only lore that was ruined was Trundle's because the old Trundle lore was much better because it made Trundle a hero to look up to instead of the douche bag that his new lore made him into.

Riot did state they wanted to remove the alien lores and want every champion to be localized to either the Void or Runeterra- Shurima has not changed at all outside of it being an area on Runeterra rather than another planet. This being said, I still want more phoenix champions, even with the planet of the phoenix being no more and Anivia being native to Frejlord, she is still a protector of the land and creatures in it so Anivia's birthplace changed but her character remains, they are doing this with the Shurima champions as well, their birthplace changes but their characters remain the same, with the one exception to Trundle (R.I.P.).

GavranAug 31, 20143 votes

Except how they were fighting to the death when Nasus was summoned.
Old Trundle was an asshole, read his League Judgement. Mind, I do think he was still a much more interesting character - and he earned his assholeness. New Trundle is just bland.

Sneak DogAug 31, 20143 votes

Old Trundle was an understandable asshole.

If you leave out the judgement he was a hero indeed (look up the judgement to get the full story, it's great).

GavranAug 31, 20142 votes

Completely agree. And I didn't want him to be any other way, I'm just saying that "Hero -> douche bag" is the not the change the new lore made. It was "Interesting character -> less interesting character who also looks like he's from WoW"

StaconaSep 1, 20141 votes

Nasus and Renekton never fought to the death initially, Renekton was there as a guard and protector for Nasus and then corruption from evil hearts of people Renekton turned away from entering the academy made Renekton go berserk and corrupt and then Nasus seeks to put down his brother for turning evil and corrupt and the corruption that is now within Renekton makes Renekton think Nasus, his brother, is his enemy and that Renekton must kill Nasus

the old Trundle lore is Trundle taking on the curse of his village upon himself so that only he suffers and he ends up freeing his tribe of trolls of the curse- Trundle is a hero in his old lore